Star Trek TOS Season 2

[Rik1138]

It seems that it's temporarily missing from the store right now. Apple is 'working on getting it restored', hopefully in a day or two it'll come back...

[MetalGearJ]

I am watching the Blu-rays now on a 80 gig PS3 with B/W compatibility. Everything looks and plays fine with mine, but the odd thing is that I like to watch the series with the original playback. When I play it for the first time, it will play with the enhanced playback for a second or two, then go to back to the original playback. Has anyone else experienced that as well?

[yoxodo]

Does anyone know why season 2 has more grain? The PQ in season 1 was near flawless. Season 2 still looks good, but just doesn't seem to be quite the same quality.

[P@t_Mtl]

The only thing I've notice for Season 2 is that some disc have a long loading time. Just last night it took almost 3 minutes for disc 4 to load and start playing. But other disc don't seem to be doing this, it's a bit strange.

[SpaceMind]

Sony PS3 & S350 and didn't have any problems with any of the discs.

[Wdm81]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The only thing I've notice for Season 2 is that some disc have a long loading time. Just last night it took almost 3 minutes for disc 4 to load and start playing. But other disc don't seem to be doing this, it's a bit strange.

I've also noticed the season 2 discs have longer load times then season 1 did, but only be a few seconds, i haven't a 3 minute problem like you have

I'm thinking the initial load has to do with BD live

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Wdm81

I've also noticed the season 2 discs have longer load times then season 1 did, but only be a few seconds, i haven't a 3 minute problem like you have

I'm thinking the initial load has to do with BD live

I dont not think about BD live, it's not all of them but it did take 3 minutes at least for that one disc to load, it's a bit weird. I don't have any updates of firmwares for my player currently so I think I am ok on that part

[Duffy12]

I am getting a longer loading time on my Panasonic DMP-BD80 too. Nothing near as bad as 3 min. Though I have only watched the seventh disc so far.


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[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by yoxodo

Does anyone know why season 2 has more grain? The PQ in season 1 was near flawless. Season 2 still looks good, but just doesn't seem to be quite the same quality.

I noticed that as well. In some episodes the picture as you say is flawless in some scenes, then goes to something subpar. Perhaps some of the shots on set were done with different film, or the original footage may have been damaged?

[homernt]

I had the dutch version and with me disc 6 couldn't be read. So I send it back. Now I'm wating until they return my money. I think I will not order right away again maybe I wait until the price has dropped a little.

[Geraldorn]

Originally Posted by sdicomp

Hello all! Does anyone else have problems playing this new set? I have a Sammy BD-P1600, and each of the discs pause playback at random intervals. My 1600 has the latest firmware.

Anyone else have this problem? ....or suggestions??

Yes I have the same problem (disks pause frequently). I have a Sony BDP-S560. Haven't tried updating the firmware, but it's a new model since August so I'm not sure if that would help.

This is the second copy with the problem, I returned my first one to Best Buy.

[icyteddy]

Originally Posted by yoxodo

Does anyone know why season 2 has more grain? The PQ in season 1 was near flawless. Season 2 still looks good, but just doesn't seem to be quite the same quality.

From my understanding, the visual effects team remastered season 2 before season 1. The effect teams did it out of chronological order so some effects look better than others. Many of the episodes in season 2 was completed before season 1. So when they started work on season 1, the team had more experience to improve on the visuals.

[thegorn]

Originally Posted by yoxodo

Does anyone know why season 2 has more grain? The PQ in season 1 was near flawless. Season 2 still looks good, but just doesn't seem to be quite the same quality.

Yes. everything plays fine for me. But I have noticed a PQ difference from season 1. more grain and even some washy colors in certain scenes. Maybe the budget has changed? or the source material in season 2 is in worse shape. Anyway I am still diggin it!

[dougotte]

Originally Posted by icyteddy

From my understanding, the visual effects team remastered season 2 before season 1. The effect teams did it out of chronological order so some effects look better than others. Many of the episodes in season 2 was completed before season 1. So when they started work on season 1, the team had more experience to improve on the visuals.

Your post seems confusing to me. Yes, the episodes were remastered and televised out of order, but the Season 1 BD set was not prepared after the Season 2 set.

I really didn't notice a difference in grain between Seasons 1 and 2. The overall PQ is not as exceptional in Season 2, but that's because of the lower budget and lower production standards.

Doug

[icyteddy]

Originally Posted by dougotte

Your post seems confusing to me. Yes, the episodes were remastered and televised out of order, but the Season 1 BD set was not prepared after the Season 2 set.

I really didn't notice a difference in grain between Seasons 1 and 2. The overall PQ is not as exceptional in Season 2, but that's because of the lower budget and lower production standards.

Doug

Season 2 was prepared first is what I am trying to say. They remastered nearly all the episode from season 2 before they even started season 1. The more episodes they remastered the more they learned. So when they started the first season they improved on the picture quality over season 2. Season 2 was more of a learning process for the effects team.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by icyteddy

Season 2 was prepared first is what I am trying to say. They remastered nearly all the episode from season 2 before they even started season 1. The more episodes they remastered the more they learned. So when they started the first season they improved on the picture quality over season 2. Season 2 was more of a learning process for the effects team.

Where are you getting this 'Season 2 was prepared first' info, though? That is what people are questioning. From everything I've ever heard, the episodes were prepared out of chronological order - they dipped into all 3 seasons for episodes to remaster and air on television much before DVD/Blu-ray releases were announced. So while yes, some episodes were obviously done first, and later ones might be improved by the crew having gained experience, it is not clear that all Season 2 episodes were done before Season 1.

I think most of the changes in quality between Season 1 and 2 lie in the quality of the source materials. It is a well-known fact that Season 2 was shot with a lower budget than Season 1, and that may have had an effect on filming choices and post-production quality. Watching the episodes, this seems more likely to me than any huge differences in the 2000's-era remastering process. There are huge variations between scenes within ONE episode - heck, within one scene. Certain camera angles are terribly out of focus, dirty, and lacking in detail, and then the angle will change to a beautiful shot of something else. This just makes it look like the episodes were, at times, cobbled together from shots of varying quality - which is a very real possibility. They were probably much less concerned with image consistency to the same fidelity that we are concerned with it now, considering the TVs everyone would view this show on were orders of magnitude less capable of resolving such fidelity.

[Duffy12]

If this helps, here are the original air dates for the remasters with the repeats.

Season 1: 2006/07

http://trekmovie.com/tos-in-hd/hdtv-...episode-order/


Season 2: 2007/08

http://trekmovie.com/tos-in-hd/tos-i...pisode-order2/


Kind of interesting that 'The Ultimate Computer' has an air date of 02.09.08. Its opening shot is so far the worst that I have seen yet. The Enterprise along with the space station looks like a couple of plastic children's toys! (yech)


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[dougotte]

Originally Posted by icyteddy

Season 2 was prepared first is what I am trying to say. They remastered nearly all the episode from season 2 before they even started season 1. The more episodes they remastered the more they learned. So when they started the first season they improved on the picture quality over season 2. Season 2 was more of a learning process for the effects team.

Icyteddy, Neo's last response was very well written, so I won't repeat the same info. I'm just getting more confused, though, because at first I thought you meant remastering, but then you wrote about the effects. The grain is in the original 35mm negatives, not in the new CGI effects (except where they appeared to add some digital noise to make the CGI look like grainy film).

Doug

[Blu Titan]

For those wondering about PQ differences between Seasons 1 and 2: Toshiba subsidized the remastering of Season 1 for the (at the time) exclusive HD DVD release. From everything I read, it was a significant amount of money that To$h
provided for said release.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

For those wondering about PQ differences between Seasons 1 and 2: Toshiba subsidized the remastering of Season 1 for the (at the time) exclusive HD DVD release. From everything I read, it was a significant amount of money that To$h
provided for said release.

They subsidized the HD DVD encoding/authoring. The actual restoration was underway before Toshiba ever came into the picture because they were airing the shows on TV in HD. Toshiba had no hand in the restoration work.