Any AV Forum exiles/UK members?

[gandley]

well i have never been banned from anysite anywhere, but yeah i speak my mind, and im straight to the point, but i only front up to other poster when i know im correct or if its clear they are spreading blatant FUD, if im wrong, you will have an apology.

I have nothing against a supporter of HDDVD, i suppose as i buy the odd title that makes me a supporter as well. I just do not like FUD and thread spoiling.
You guys know the drill, a thread goes up for a new BD player, then straight in is a known HDDVD supporter, with "what profile does it support, is it slow load times, what about BD+ spreading computer viruses, what about .........!!
They have no intention of buying the product, they have no interest in the product, it is a troll post, end of story.

Now if a member came in and said, "guys i like this player but im concerned about the profile issues, and do you think the load time has been improved?" then this guy gets all my time, and i'll happily help him choose the best product or tell him to hold his purchase as what he needs is just around the corner.
There, no malice, no FUD, just genuine concern. these people i have time for.

[gandley]

Originally Posted by welwynnick

Hi Guys,

This seems like home from home.

Since I was the mod who got the HD players forum set-up in the first place, I feel a certain affinity and consequenly frustration with what's going on there. It the time, it seemed only natural that people would want to discuss the format war in an AV forum, even though it was hard work keeping things in order.

The ban on format warring has made it a no-go zone, and seems to defeat part of it's raison d'etre. There are so many threads closed at the first mention of formats, and I think the moderating now seems to be just terminating, rather than moderating. That's just lazy.

AVF used to be a very informative and entertaining place, but I've been driven to AVS and here instead. I never used to hang around single-make or single-format sites, but i do these days.

And yes - long may this place remain a Pecker-free site. Aaaarrrhhh!

Nick

You see, this gentlemen i respect. He has such excellent Post consideration and elegance.
me and Nick have disagreed on points but the exchange has always been friendly, and i know what he posts will not be spin, but will be 100% what he believes to be true and frankly is normaly very accurate.

[gandley]

Originally Posted by HighDefFan

Well this is a Blu-ray board so I'd be surprised if any HD-DVD fans would bother with it. I'm a dual owner and only registered because I saw Nick post


It's not "so many" though is it? You were only banned because you were on your third username. So even with you and BadAss banned there's still plenty of Blu-ray discussion; it's just sane and non-trolling now.

BTW all those criticising the modding on AV Forums "last year when HD DVD was winning" are attacking Nick as he was the mod then

Nic Rhodes or RAS? I guess Nic.

well with Nick posting here with his usual candor, that should make you think somwhat that there are issues in 1-2 sections of AVF that need attention to keep things in order.

While Nick was a MOD the AVForum, it had a different take on how they handled policy on the HiDEF Players forum and format war thread, which only changed with blu rays upturn in quality and performence, somthing it now dominates over HDDVD. And by the time the real problems had set in, Nick was no longer modding IIRC

sadly this proved to much for some HDDVD supports both noobs and prominent members and the winks about format neutrality of disney and the like were no longer washing as credible facts at that time.

Yes some blu members did go too far, there is no doubt, but after taking a barrage of abuse from the HDDVD faithfull they had every right to fire back and beat down some of the crazy FUD and spin that was being pushed as fact.
It wasnt so long ago members were claiming that BDs picture quality was rubish campared to HDDVD and on average HDDVD just has the better PQ etc etc, all which were proven quckly to be false.
Or how about HDDVD only needs 30GB, for now even paramount to say there is no loseless on transformers because there was not enough space on a 30GB disc for everything to fit, so rather drop a couple of extras they drop the loseless track, WOW. how does that truth hit the HDDVD fans in the guts. the look and sound of this or that.


Actually on a personnel level i have no problem with the MODS at AVF on the whole. They are between a rock and a hard place and they ARE a decent set of gents. IAN (always forget his last name) has always been a straight shooter and Scrapbook did good work in the format war thread.

Can anyone say with a straight face that 1 of Peckers HDVD predictions came true??
you guys remember the sleeping giant all those thousands of players being sold for HDDVD but only being used with DVD. yeah OK

[gandley]

ANYHOO, enough of that crap

Terminator 3 Coming to Blu-ray (with PIP)

And so it begins...but sadly because of that other format we'll have to put up with more of this
for a bit (this has no relation to the above T3 news)

"The reason the bitrate got all the way to 6.5Mb/s is because the HD DVD didn't have enough space for IME+TrueHD on a movie longer than about 100-120mins. So they sacrificed bitrate to accomplish the goal."

sigh please let the real enthusiast format survive.

PS, Seems Warner Bros do prefilter there HDDVD titles to save bit-rate as well, so looks like a few were correct about that (though we thought it was VC-1 doing the softening).
I cant believe people want that format to make it, more so as the facts slowly filter out (pun intended).

EDIT BAH is a fake effort again.

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by gandley

well i have never been banned from anysite anywhere, but yeah i speak my mind, and im straight to the point, but i only front up to other poster when i know im correct or if its clear they are spreading blatant FUD, if im wrong, you will have an apology.

I have nothing against a supporter of HDDVD, i suppose as i buy the odd title that makes me a supporter as well. I just do not like FUD and thread spoiling.
You guys know the drill, a thread goes up for a new BD player, then straight in is a known HDDVD supporter, with "what profile does it support, is it slow load times, what about BD+ spreading computer viruses, what about .........!!They have no intention of buying the product, they have no interest in the product, it is a troll post, end of story.

Now if a member came in and said, "guys i like this player but im concerned about the profile issues, and do you think the load time has been improved?" then this guy gets all my time, and i'll happily help him choose the best product or tell him to hold his purchase as what he needs is just around the corner.
There, no malice, no FUD, just genuine concern. these people i have time for.

Even AVF HD-DVD owners reading this thread will chuckle at that.

They were so obviously trolling posts but never picked upon.

"The reason the bitrate got all the way to 6.5Mb/s is because the HD DVD didn't have enough space for IME+TrueHD on a movie longer than about 100-120mins. So they sacrificed bitrate to accomplish the goal."

I believe it's been confirmed T3 has TrueHD and PCM.

[gandley]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

I believe it's been confirmed T3 has TrueHD and PCM.

AHH the quote has no link to the T3 bit. Its an in general quote. but looks like warner will be on full offense soon enough for BD

T3 with PCM thou, sweet

[JAGUAR1977]

I think the poster, in the comments section, works in audio, not sure though.

The artwork also has a True HD logo.

[mattym]

Originally Posted by gandley

Nic Rhodes or RAS? I guess Nic.

well with Nick posting here with his usual candor, that should make you think somwhat that there are issues in 1-2 sections of AVF that need attention to keep things in order.

While Nick was a MOD the AVForum, it had a different take on how they handled policy on the HiDEF Players forum and format war thread, which only changed with blu rays upturn in quality and performence, somthing it now dominates over HDDVD. And by the time the real problems had set in, Nick was no longer modding IIRC

sadly this proved to much for some HDDVD supports both noobs and prominent members and the winks about format neutrality of disney and the like were no longer washing as credible facts at that time.

Yes some blu members did go too far, there is no doubt, but after taking a barrage of abuse from the HDDVD faithfull they had every right to fire back and beat down some of the crazy FUD and spin that was being pushed as fact.
It wasnt so long ago members were claiming that BDs picture quality was rubish campared to HDDVD and on average HDDVD just has the better PQ etc etc, all which were proven quckly to be false.
Or how about HDDVD only needs 30GB, for now even paramount to say there is no loseless on transformers because there was not enough space on a 30GB disc for everything to fit, so rather drop a couple of extras they drop the loseless track, WOW. how does that truth hit the HDDVD fans in the guts. the look and sound of this or that.


Actually on a personnel level i have no problem with the MODS at AVF on the whole. They are between a rock and a hard place and they ARE a decent set of gents. IAN (always forget his last name) has always been a straight shooter and Scrapbook did good work in the format war thread.

Can anyone say with a straight face that 1 of Peckers HDVD predictions came true??
you guys remember the sleeping giant all those thousands of players being sold for HDDVD but only being used with DVD. yeah OK

excellent post. Very well said.

i did like that 'i wont be buying any more disney blu-ray, make of that what you will..' post. I make this of it, nic was listening to rdjam too much!

[blu-rayfan101]

I agree with gandley, people are always saying what about this and that but if they say well is this true or i've heard of this but i'm not sure if it is true can you help me people are always willing to help or answer their question

[Retronana]

Firstly, I spotted this thread and thought I would check it out, it seems a few current members/ex members of the UK based AV Forums are taking the opportunity given to them via this forum to air their grumbles, I think this a good idea given that moderation on the AVF is very hard job at the moment and therefore the close thread option seems to be widespread, not really helping free speech although good moderation on forums is a skill that I see very rarely, only the DVD Forums in the UK seems to get the balance right, anyone can be a moderator but very few can actually do the job correctly.

I'm a duel format owner, I purchase both formats (or if lucky get sent them FOC), I have some great titles on both formats and both formats have some substantial issues that need to be ironed pretty quickly before the mainstream masses start to buy in HD Discs.

Do I like the speed it takes my HD-A1 to boot up, nope...

Am I worried my PS3 won't meet BD profile 1.1, yep....

I'm not sure that AV Forums is pro HD-DVD, its not pro BD and if your stance when looking at yourself is pro BD its not going to be on your level.

Have you noticed the Conservatives complain that the BBC is bias in favor of the Labour Party and the Labour Party say the complete opposite, so who is right ?

Is it than because the BBC makes comments that neither party are happy with and therefore they play the bias card ?

Not everyone is going to be behind BD as much as some forum members here, but that doesn't make them anti BD, it just means they are not as committed !

Retronana (yep the same one from AVF)

[gandley]

Yeah you make some good points Retro, AVF is certainly not the worst offender when it comes to any bias, and for AVF i dont think it has bias as such, just a few members seem to spout off with no worries even when its blatant trolling, flame bait, like i said it goes both ways but i see blu ray fans suspended, but rarly a HDDVD supporter, even quite possible the worst poster on that forum seems to live a charmed life.

Am I worried my PS3 won't meet BD profile 1.1, yep....

Is that really a worry, given some of the news latly. im not sure its much of a worry now. just a matter of when

[BadAss]

I guess it's hard for those looking from the outside to really understand level of bias on AVF. For example I started a thread about a BD issue and the red ants decended. So I thought why respond, why not use the report button and get their posts removed. What happend, a mod comes along and says 'well if you don't like what people say I might as well delete the whole thread.' And with that the whole thread was gone. Yes I did the reporting and I got the punishment. Was I given the same unbiased protection as the red ants? Was I hell. It's instances like these when you start to loose respect. I would have the highest respect for mods on AVF if everyone was treated equaly, but sadly we were not.

Looking on AVF today and it's quite funny to see the red ants turn on each other when it come to Transformers and True-HD. I don't see a BadAss or Jaguar1977 in sight and the word troll is still hot on everyones lips.

As for Profile 1.1, it's taken time but we are about to see 1.1 for the first time and come this time next year, Blu-ray will be commanding a lead on titles that actually use PiP. The wholely grail of HD-DVD is about to be washed away and with Disney pushing interactivity on it's BD titles HD-DVD will fade into the Abyss where it belongs, it's just a shame some of the red ants off AVF can't do the same.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by BadAss

it's just a shame some of the red ants off AVF can't do the same.

Then they wouldn't have a paying job anymore.

[JAGUAR1977]

Looking on AVF today and it's quite funny to see the red ants turn on each other when it come to Transformers and True-HD. I don't see a BadAss or Jaguar1977 in sight and the word troll is still hot on everyones lips.

Saw that, didn't take long to turn on the Blu-ray owner's.

It's suggested lack of capacity is the issue, then it's Paramount being lazy, and so on and so forth, anything to defend the lack of TruHD.

[BadAss]

Hey, look I just got a this message...

Your account has been suspended or banned for the following reason:
Sniping about AV Forums and it's mods from the safety of other forums.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

LMAO, like jeeze I'm really going to miss the place.

I put in more than I got out of AVF that's for sure.

[JAGUAR1977]

Well there could have been a constructive discussion right there on AVF if it wasn't for being banned for a petty reason like using a new username and retiring the old one!

[BadAss]

I guess we'll have to get new IP addresses and sign up again. Clock up a couple of hundred posts in the gaming section, before moving back into the Red Abyss making sure you change writing style by adding lots of full stops like Rasczak did that time.

Only joking.

(shhhh, AVF mods watching)

Anyway, great sale.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by BadAss

Hey, look I just got a this message...



LMAO, like jeeze I'm really going to miss the place.

I put in more than I got out of AVF that's for sure.

Good to know the Ministry of Truth is on the job ..even stalking you and hanging on your every word. How thought..now is that full or less?

[BadAss]

Warning, Red Ant spies are everywhere!

Here is the type of neutral poster on AVF

Jackal

It is very sad - if you can bear it have a look - you'll be surprised who has posted there I guarantee.

You may well say I am being a S**t stirrer, maybe I am - but I was incensed by the anti AVF venom and Vitriol.

I guess the mods will delete this and I'll be told off.

How on earth could any disc format be so important to anyone I'll never understand.

OK here is your direct link:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=19783

I do not think most people here are interested in the drivel that the rest of the A-Grade Loser site offers - I guess you are more intelligent than that

He then goes on to say...

They really are like a separate sub species of humanity.

Jackal, you must be the biggest HD-DVD fanboy dressed in Blu on AVF. More than sad its pathetic.

[Retronana]

Originally Posted by gandley

Yeah you make some good points Retro, AVF is certainly not the worst offender when it comes to any bias, and for AVF i don't think it has bias as such, just a few members seem to spout off with no worries even when its blatant trolling, flame bait, like i said it goes both ways but i see blu ray fans suspended, but rarly a HDDVD supporter, even quite possible the worst poster on that forum seems to live a charmed life.



Is that really a worry, given some of the news latly. im not sure its much of a worry now. just a matter of when

I class myself as as a supporter HD full stop, I have had threads closed on AVF which is disappointing although I appreciate that moderating that forums is not easy given the entrenched views from both sides from some forum members.

The profile thing does worry me, I'm only in for a PS3 but its still an issue until I know its resolved for sure, I wrote a letter to MCV last week (which they printed ) with concern to the 40GB PS3, Sony have made some promises on the PS3 which they have rolled back from, and given that whilst I do believe profile 1.1 (and above) will be delivered on PS3 I wouldn't stake my life on it.