Dual Layer Pause - Blu-ray Forum

Jamie · 07-17-2007, 04:49 PM

I'm pretty new to Blu-Ray (European, you see). Could someone tell me if any (or could any) BD movies suffer from a 'Dual Layer Pause'? Or is the picture always confined to one layer of a Dual Layer disc? It is something that always bugged me on DVD. Cheers.

jermwhl · 07-17-2007, 04:53 PM

You know to be honest, I haven't noticed it on my BD's. I noticed it on DVD, and it drove me nuts also.......but I guess it don't do it on BD, i'll have to be more aware as I'm watching my movies I guess!

Welcome to the forums!!!

nhaase · 07-17-2007, 04:55 PM

Welcome to the forum! Many questions you will come up with have probably been answered, so be sure to use the search function on the forums page. A quick search for your exact thread title gave me this: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...al+layer+pause

In short, nope, it doesn't happen on BD.

BStecke · 07-17-2007, 04:56 PM

I haven't noticed a layer change on any of my discs. I was laughing to myself watching Gone In 60 Seconds the other day because I always remembered exactly where the layer change was on the DVD, and it didn't hiccup on the Blu-ray. I don't know why, but I was immensely satisfied by this.

groovyone · 07-17-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jermwhl

You know to be honest, I haven't noticed it on my BD's. I noticed it on DVD, and it drove me nuts also.......but I guess it don't do it on BD, i'll have to be more aware as I'm watching my movies I guess!

Welcome to the forums!!!

Same here. I'd always call it out on the DVDs but so far the transition seems perfect on my 50GB BDs.

coolwavepic · 07-17-2007, 05:22 PM

I completely forgot about dual layer pause since transitioning to blu-ray. The first time i noticed a dual pause on DVD was LA Confidential because it happened in the middle of a scene with Kevin Spacey. Most DVDs after that happened at a scene cut. I cant wait to see LA Confidential on blu-ray. That should be fun.

Pilam69 · 07-17-2007, 05:57 PM

The pause always ticked me off. It pulled you right out of the movie and reminded you that your equipment wasn't perfect. NO MORE I SAY!!!

Amon37 · 07-17-2007, 06:21 PM

I've noticed no pause on any of my BD-50 movies.

On DVD's it's very noticable

radagast · 07-17-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Amon37

I've noticed no pause on any of my BD-50 movies.

On DVD's it's very noticable

It seems that some DVD players are better at layer transistions than others. The Lord of the Rings - Fellowship of the Ring" has one of the most flawless transisitions I have ever seen. The Toshiba player I had was the worst in changing layers.

Did I mention that I hate Toshiba?

ClaytonMG · 07-17-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

It seems that some DVD players are better at layer transistions than others. The Lord of the Rings - Fellowship of the Ring" has one of the most flawless transisitions I have ever seen. The Toshiba player I had was the worst in changing layers.

Did I mention that I hate Toshiba?

Test out Sony's newest superbit titles, they don't have a pause. And some players do have buffers in them, but they don't remove ALL the layer changes (Signs is one that's pretty bad). But Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are supposed to buffer out the layer changes. HD-DVD actually doesn't, there's this jump and sometimes a gap in the audio where the layer changes are. But I think that's only for Universal's discs. As for the person who commented on Gone In 60 Seconds, that disc is a single layered Blu-Ray so of course it wouldn't have a pause. If it did, I'd be worried about Disney transfering over DVD's to Blu-Ray (Kind of like Warner transfering over HD-DVD to Blu-Ray, it's just not cool).

Clayton

ClaytonMG · 07-18-2007, 01:18 AM

Yeah, like I said, HD-DVD doesn't seem to be able to buffer the pause for some reason. Sometimes I'll even be watching and due to the layer change, there will be a pause and then speed up for like 3 seconds and then play normal (or else the audio will be out of sync).

Chad Varnadore · 07-18-2007, 02:32 AM

DVD spec mandates a visible pause at the layer change. I guess we can thank Toshiba for that one too. Buffering is used in the players to try to minimize or eliminate it. Sony authored their superbit dvds to play without pausing, violating DVD spec, but who cares. It was a dumb idea in the first place. Both BD and HD DVD are designed for seamless layer transition in the software themselves. Of course that doesn't mean their can't be snags. I've never had a layer change hiccup with BD. And while I've had numerous playback problems with HD DVD, none have been attributed to the layer transition.

javayoda · 07-18-2007, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

DVD spec mandates a visible pause at the layer change.

You're joking. Wow.

WickyWoo · 07-18-2007, 04:01 AM

DVD spec mandated a lot of crazy things, like a frame between subtitles that made them blink

AnimEigo actually had to get scenarist re-written because it was screwing with their subbing style (still the best around)

richteer · 07-18-2007, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

DVD spec mandates a visible pause at the layer change.

As the guy says in "The Thing": You've gotta be fscking kidding me! Why on earth would they mandate that?

07-17-2007, 04:49 PM	#1
Jamie Junior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:The Cotswolds, UK	Dual Layer Pause I'm pretty new to Blu-Ray (European, you see). Could someone tell me if any (or could any) BD movies suffer from a 'Dual Layer Pause'? Or is the picture always confined to one layer of a Dual Layer disc? It is something that always bugged me on DVD. Cheers.

07-17-2007, 05:57 PM	#7
Pilam69 Senior Member Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray collection:126	Yet another reason to love Blu The pause always ticked me off. It pulled you right out of the movie and reminded you that your equipment wasn't perfect. NO MORE I SAY!!!

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07-17-2007, 04:53 PM	#2
jermwhl Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Virginia	You know to be honest, I haven't noticed it on my BD's. I noticed it on DVD, and it drove me nuts also.......but I guess it don't do it on BD, i'll have to be more aware as I'm watching my movies I guess! Welcome to the forums!!!

07-17-2007, 04:55 PM	#3
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	Welcome to the forum! Many questions you will come up with have probably been answered, so be sure to use the search function on the forums page. A quick search for your exact thread title gave me this: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...al+layer+pause In short, nope, it doesn't happen on BD.

07-17-2007, 04:56 PM	#4
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	I haven't noticed a layer change on any of my discs. I was laughing to myself watching Gone In 60 Seconds the other day because I always remembered exactly where the layer change was on the DVD, and it didn't hiccup on the Blu-ray. I don't know why, but I was immensely satisfied by this.

07-17-2007, 05:22 PM	#6
coolwavepic Active Member Member since:Jun 2007 Blu-ray reviews:9	I completely forgot about dual layer pause since transitioning to blu-ray. The first time i noticed a dual pause on DVD was LA Confidential because it happened in the middle of a scene with Kevin Spacey. Most DVDs after that happened at a scene cut. I cant wait to see LA Confidential on blu-ray. That should be fun.

07-17-2007, 06:21 PM	#8
Amon37 Power Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:USA,Arizona PSNetwork: Amon37	I've noticed no pause on any of my BD-50 movies. On DVD's it's very noticable

07-18-2007, 01:18 AM	#11
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:833 Blu-ray collection:2370 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Yeah, like I said, HD-DVD doesn't seem to be able to buffer the pause for some reason. Sometimes I'll even be watching and due to the layer change, there will be a pause and then speed up for like 3 seconds and then play normal (or else the audio will be out of sync).

07-18-2007, 02:32 AM	#12
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	DVD spec mandates a visible pause at the layer change. I guess we can thank Toshiba for that one too. Buffering is used in the players to try to minimize or eliminate it. Sony authored their superbit dvds to play without pausing, violating DVD spec, but who cares. It was a dumb idea in the first place. Both BD and HD DVD are designed for seamless layer transition in the software themselves. Of course that doesn't mean their can't be snags. I've never had a layer change hiccup with BD. And while I've had numerous playback problems with HD DVD, none have been attributed to the layer transition.

07-18-2007, 04:01 AM	#14
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	DVD spec mandated a lot of crazy things, like a frame between subtitles that made them blink AnimEigo actually had to get scenarist re-written because it was screwing with their subbing style (still the best around)

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