80GB model of the american PS3 compatability pain

[kx11]

With the 80GB model of the PS3, Americans were invited to feel some of Europe's pain. Gone was the promise of near-universal PS2 backwards compatability, replaced with a software-based emulation system where many games work, many games work with issues and some games do not work. At all. I say some of Europe's pain, though, because half the hassle of it all is in checking the PAL BC list on SCEE's torturous BC site to see if your games work. See, the site does not contain a search function. The newly-launched US search site does, allowing you to enter the name of your PS2 games into a small text field, conduct a search and be provided with a prompt answer. Awfully clever, that, and definitely ground-breaking technology. I bet SCEE are kicking themselves they didn't think of it

say goodbye to ff7 and hello to ff8 half workin' and things like that with the new software emulator sony installed instead of the motion engine ((wich's workin' good with my US ps3))


http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

search for your ps/ps2 and god be with you

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by kx11

say goodbye to ff7 and hello to ff8 half workin' and things like that with the new software emulator sony installed instead of the motion engine ((wich's workin' good with my US ps3))


http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

search for your ps/ps2 and god be with you

there is always going to be a software update to fix the issues. i don't think that would be the end of it.

[supersix4]

lol BUY THE 60s off ebay! and upgrade the HDD!!!

[kx11]

Originally Posted by supersix14

lol BUY THE 60s off ebay! and upgrade the HDD!!!

did that 3 months ago ((except ebay))





shadblz

maby but i don't think software update can beat hardware compatability

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by kx11

did that 3 months ago ((except ebay))





shadblz

maby but i don't think software update can beat hardware compatability

contact sony customer services and see what they tell you. maybe they are experiancing massive calls regarding this matter i am sure they know about it, and are working on it.

[Cyan]

It was necessary for Sony to remove the Emotion Engine in the 80GB PS3. This is the hardware that allowed it to have 100% backwards compatability with regards to the PS2 and the PS1. Now it just has software emulation, which currently works on about 80% of the games out there.

Honestly, your best option is just to use the 60GB PS3. If you really need more HD space for some reason, the HD isn't very hard to replace/upgrade.

Because I forgot, Sony had to remove the Emotion Engine because it increased the cost of the system drastically. From what I remember, Sony was taking a loss of 250 per unit on the 60GB PS3s at initial production.

[B-Runner]

thats why i picked up the 60gig while i could

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Cyan

...Sony had to remove the Emotion Engine because it increased the cost of the system drastically...

I don't know about drastically. The cost of the EE+GS chip was only about $25 US, which only accounted for about 4.5% of the $599.99 price.

[Pilam69]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

I don't know about drastically. The cost of the EE+GS chip was only about $25 US, which only accounted for about 4.5% of the $599.99 price.

I am glad I have my 60GB and someday I'll upgrade it but I'm good for now. I had a feeling that the emotion engine wouldn't stick and I have a ton of PS2 games that I still like to get out every so often so it was worth it for me. I wonder how big a deal it is for everyone who doesn't have a 60GB model though............

[Zaphod]

I for one don't care that it was replaced. Granted I bought my PS3 during release and have the chip, but honestly, I still have my PS2 hooked up as well. So the extra compatibility means nothing to me.

[kx11]

^^^^^
maby you'r right but upscaling ps2/ps1 to 1080p is amazing because playing ps2 games on ps2 will show a lot of lines through the screen wich is a ***** if you played ff12/gow2

[Musashi]

I heard Sony isn't going to be making that many BC updates after this season; I sure hope this isn't the case, as it would seriously lower the value of new PS3s.

I do think that the hardware will be put back in eventually, but still, they need to optimize the BC part as a key feature of why PS2 owners should get PS3s.

[Icemage]

Originally Posted by Musashi

I heard Sony isn't going to be making that many BC updates after this season; I sure hope this isn't the case, as it would seriously lower the value of new PS3s.

I do think that the hardware will be put back in eventually, but still, they need to optimize the BC part as a key feature of why PS2 owners should get PS3s.

Sony really needs to make sure that any major title from PS2 works. I don't think anyone really cares if they can play Ninja Bread Man on their PS3, but any Final Fantasy title should get some scrutiny.

They've got 100 million PS2 owners or so; bring these people into the fold as necessary... and in the mean time cut the costs so that they can bring the price down to something average people can afford.

[WriteSimply]

The guys who complain about less than 100% BC should note that it is SOFTWARE emulation. Software can always be written to improve BC. You can't do that with hardware. So just because it's now at 80% or whatever it is, doesn't mean that SCE is going to stop there.

100% compatibility is close to impossible, however.


fuad

[ryoohki]

Software allow you also to design TRUE Upscaling if they wnat.... with the current chip they are stuck with Filtering Upscaling, witch suck and doesn't do much...

[Smallville206]

I'm also glad I have the 60 GB, I still have close to 50 PS2 games I haven't played or finished yet.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by kx11

say goodbye to ff7 and hello to ff8 half workin' and things like that with the new software emulator sony installed instead of the motion engine ((wich's workin' good with my US ps3))


http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

search for your ps/ps2 and god be with you

You do realize that all the compatibility notes between the 60gb and the 80gb for Final Fantasy are identical, right?

[ add / edit ]
actually I take that back, the 60gb, hardware emulated version has more reported errors with Final Fantasy 12.

[ ah ]
Well will go through and itemize it, because noticing more differences now.

- these are 80gb reported problems not in the 60gb

FF X
Description: At various points throughout the Opening FMA sequence, the graphics jitter.

FF X-2
Description: During gameplay, when an FMV sequence plays, the subtitles do not appear.

FF XI [online expansions]
Description: Due to issues with the installation of Final Fantasy XI, the user is unable to play this title.


-- 60 gb errors not reported in 80 gb
Final Fantasy XII
Description: The following conditions have been confirmed on PS3 System Software Version 1.80: Upon boot-up, with the PS3 resolution set to 720p or 1080i in the VSH [Display] Settings, the PS/PS2 Upscale option activated, and the PS/PS2 smoothing option set to Off, when the Introductory FMV plays, a vertical line of graphical corruption appears on the right side of the screen. All conditions have been resolved on PS3 System Software Version 1.81.

Final Fantasy XII
Description: Throughout the title, with the PS/PS2 Upscale option set to Normal, the title's Aspect Ratio option is set to 16:9.


-- And by popular request, the errors that occur for FF7 and FF8
60gb/FF7
Description: On Disc 1, when the first battle begins at the Mako Reactor, a flashing black square appears around the user’s character's pointer.
60gb/FF8
Description: Throughout gameplay, when the user's party encounters a random enemy in the "world map", and the “pre-battle” transition screen appears, approximately 40 - 60% of the “pre-battle” transition screen appears black, and the remaining portion of the screen appears corrupted.

80gb/FF7
Description: On Disc 1, when the first battle begins at the Mako Reactor, a flashing black square appears around the user’s character's pointer.
80gb/FF8
Description: Throughout gameplay, when the user's party encounters a random enemy in the "world map", and the “pre-battle” transition screen appears, approximately 40 - 60% of the “pre-battle” transition screen appears black, and the remaining portion of the screen appears corrupted.

[Gamekid]

If sony wants the 80 GB to work with older games, they need to issue a firmware update ASAP.

[reiella]

Originally Posted by Gamekid

If sony wants the 80 GB to work with older games, they need to issue a firmware update ASAP.

They have, actually check that site that was linked.

There have been a number of firmware updates happening that have been improving the compatibility gameplay. They just haven't been on the Quick changelist when you patch.

[Gamekid]

What's the link?