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Originally Posted by marzetta7
Is it really that expensive though? You yourself have been entertaining the idea of buying a HD DVD paper weight,
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I was teasing him, but $500 and $600 ain't chicken feed to me.
Too early to tell if paper weight is an accurate term, but sometimes ya just got a live a little bit and gamble a little bit.
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... but yet there are no complaints about price for the HD DVD player when it is the same cost as the PS3 and at least with the PS3 you can do gaming as well as online gaming, and HD movies.
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All true.
I'm just stating the facts as I see them.
I'm primarily a PC gamer these days, so there's just not much in the console scene that appeals to me. That's what I buy game consoles for: Games.
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Yes, the $499 PS3 doesn't include HDMI, but for the ability to game, have wireless controllers, and view HD movies through HDMI 1.3 is well worth the $100 bump in my opinion.
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Couldn't care less about wireless controllers and HDMI 1.3 is useless to people that don't upgrade both their displays AND receivers to match.
Not cheap.
Not something I'm going to do until I HAVE to and many others are in the same boat.
I agree. For my purposes, the $600 PS3 is the only way to go if you're going to do it at all.
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I'm really just getting an overall sense of impatience beginning to fester within this forum, as well as doubt.
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You're exactly right. I've BEEN impatient, especially when the lackluster marks starting coming out for some of Blu-Ray's early discs and the suspect play of the Samsung player, which thankfully will be fixed.
They need to get away from Mpeg2, they need better transfers, they need BD50 and the rest of it.
In fact, I'm impatient enough that I did buy an HD-DVD player today.
I'm sick of it. I want HD NOW. I'm tired of waiting. I'm tired of bulletin boards. I'm tired of talk. I'm tired of guessing. I'm tired of arguing. I'm tired of all of it.
I know the facts of both formats as well as anyone else, but you know what?
I kind of just woke up today and said "@#$% it."
It's that simple.
I'm going to run it through its paces, fully realistic about the entire situation, and if I'm displeased in less than 30 days...adios amigos.
Minimal to no loss.
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Patience my brethren, I for one have no problem waiting another 3 months for all of Blu-ray's glory,
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I do. I want HD now. I'm tired of waiting.
If BR gets their act together in three months, then great. I'll buy that, too.
It's all good.
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... and enticings from those who say "enjoy it now" on this forum won't talk me into throwing away $500 for a piece of slow machinery that has limited content for the forseeable future,
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So does Blu-Ray.
The studio support is there on paper only. Both formats are going to see the same relatively tepid output that DVD saw in its first year or so.
Personally, I don't need it. I have no plans upgrade my present display until it dies outright.
This is also an overrated concern.
PROPERLY deinterlaced 1080i (none of this bob and weave, 540p garbage) should be virtually indistinguishable from 1080p.
Yeah, it's nice to have it there in your backpocket. No, I'm not going to lose sleep over it if I decide to early adopt both formats and it ain't there. Especially for a $500 first gen player.
This personally will not affect me for several years to come.
People seem to forget the first DVD players cost, laserdisc players, and especially VHS. Whew!
Barring very bad luck, that will be several years from how where I'll probably be upgrading other hardware around that same time as well.
YMMV.
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...has a limited amount of CE and IT backing,
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True, although you knowt his can be very fluid, again based on a lot of what ifs that none of us know yet.
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...doesn't support HDMI 1.3,
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Don't need it. See my point above.
My receiver has no HDMI on it and again: I am not going to upgrade that piece of hardware until it, too, dies in my face.
The thing about HDMI 1.3 that people seem to gloss over is this:
The player has to have TWO HDMI outputs: One to the display and one for your receiver. Your new receiver that supports HDMI 1.3, that is, and those won't be cheap.
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and has less functionality as compared to the PS3 at relatively the same cost depending if we are talking about the $499 or $599 model.
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The PS3 is still two steps away from being vaporware.
Anyone who bets the farm on Sony's promises needs to check themselves in the mirror. Don't believe it until you see it. Even the most die hard of Blu-Ra and Sony fanboys even has to agree with this!
But guess what? PS3 is in November. And there will be shortages. And it will be madness. And there's no guarantee that you will get one even with a preorder.
I WANT HD RIGHT THE HELL NOW AND I DONT CARE HOW I GET IT!
Capisce?
This is the same needlessly defensive and borderline angry talking points and thread fodder we've all danced around a million times.
Most of it's true, but there's a lot of speculation and what if there.
I salute your patience. I wish I had it. I thought I would, but I don't, especially after seeing HD in my friends' rigs and watching them have virtually no problems with their players whatsoever.
The HD bug bit me and I just finally had enough today. I don't want to wait until October or November on a what if. I want HD RIGHT NOW.
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So, in general, lets all remember that this is early adopter time, so if you want to choose to buy an HD DVD player because your are incapable of waiting 3 months for a piece of machinery--the PS3--at the same cost and that has more capability, then so be it.
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This is needless condescension and arrogance on your part.
Please get off your high horse.
Your right. It's my money, and I've decided: IF HD-DVD works out for me, it's a nice bonus that I wasn't counting on.
Instead of having nothing and talking sour grapes and HD envy on the Internet...I've decided I'm going to have it all. If Blu-Ray comes to form in three months, then I'm kicking ass with TWO HD formats and I'm going to enjoy it until the format war ends.
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However, just remember that your purchases, in accumulation, cause a longer and more drawn out format war and it is of my opinion that Sony, Philips, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sharp, BenQ, and the whole Hollywood and IT gang are going to be able to sustain any losses incurred from this format war moreso than will Toshiba will in the long run.
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That's their fault for letting this format war happen in the first place.
It's also the BDA's fault for not coming out with nukes, shock and awe, right from day one like they WERE SUPPOSED TO.
So we've got to deal with the cards on the table.
Then they shouldn't have released such lackluster first offering under the Blu-Ray label. Most of those discs are mediocre and many of the HD-DVD discs beat them out in terms of PQ. That's a fact.
They fumbled the ball and there's no excuse for it.
Believe me: I SO sorely wish that this format war had never happened.
When the word came down, I was rooting as hard as anyone for the BDA to come out with nukes, shock, and awe and they FAILED upfront, short term. They came out with a whimper that's inexcuseable given all the money, clout, CE companies, support, etc.
I'm doing cartwheels over this today. I'm kind of at a point of bitter resignation and exasperation, like: "Ok, screw it. If there's going to be a format war, then I guess I got to play the game with the ground rules and see what's what."
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So it is of my opinion that the HD DVD will be a paper weight in about a year, but heh, if some of you have money to burn, go right ahead.
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Again, get off your high horse, please.
I expect better from you than this. What sour grapes! Why?
Let's say that happens: If I go to sell it on Ebay and take a loss...I couldn't have rented the hardware for that long for the kind of difference it'll show.
I know I'll have a clear picture on what to do LONG before that much time goes by. Believe me.
Have you actually seen HD-DVD for yourself for any appreciable time?
Try it.
This stupid format war is going to go on for a while regardless of what any of us do. We can talk all high and mighty on message boards all we want, but it's too late. The format war is on, it's been on, and we can't do anything about it.
I've chosen "all" instead of "nothing" with a devil may care attitude.
You write like no one has any recourse if the HD-DVD player is a problem. Believe me: I have 30 days to take a piss on the player if I feel like it, and if it sucks, it's gone and I get a full refund. That's all the time I'll need, at most.
It can't be any easier and more reasonable than that. I can't lose.
Why do some people take this crap so personally, like your tone seems to indicate at some points?
I'm an HD enthusiast first and foremost. Before anything else or any other concern.
Instead of blowing x amount of dollars a month on HD lite from cable or satellite?
I'm going to take a calculated and
relatively cheap gamble on HD-DVD RIGHT NOW and make MY OWN INFORMED decision, regardless of what anyone hiding behind a mouse and keyboard thinks or says.
I have 30 days to do whatever I want and take zero loss if I'm dissatisfied in any way. How can I go wrong? Answer: I can't, and neither could anyone else.
If I deem it crap, and believe me, my BS tolerance is virtually nonexistent...gone!
And I know you've seen me enough by now to know that I'm going to give the unvarnished truth one way or the other on the whole thing.
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