Studio support doesnt matter!!!

[shamus]

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1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV
2 Cars BV
3 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox
4 The Da Vinci Code Sony
5 Superman Returns WB
6 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox
7 Over the Hedge P/DW
8 Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Sony
9 Click SonR
10 Mission: Impossible III Par.

I thought this was kind of interesting.... These are the top 10 movies by gross for 2006 so far.
BD exclusive studios 70%
HD-DVD exclusive studio 0%
Nuetral studios 30%

Overall on BD 100%
Overall on HD-DVD 30%

[hmurchison]

already covered man.

[phloyd]

Interesting that Click was number 9.

Since many on the AVS forum are saying it is a worthless film

But yeah this concept has been covered already. What maybe has not is the number of these that we expect to actually get released.

1) Almost certainly no release this year
2) Almost certainly no release this year
3) Rumoured 11/14 BD only
4) Rumoured December? (I need to look that up) BD Only
5) Announced both formats
6) Announced BD only
7) Almost certainly no release this year
8) Announced Dec 12 BD only
9) Released BD only
10) Announced both formats.

So 7 of the top 10 movies are BD releases this year. 2 are HD DVD releases for this year.

Half of the top 10 movies will be released this year exclusively on Bluray (unless Da Vinci does not get released here in 2006).

This has got to look good on the shelves.

[JTK]

You all got it wrong.

"Chinese players and Joe Six Pack are carrying HD-DVD to the quick finish line. The format war is already over."


Jeez, how many times do you all have to be told this?

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by JTK

You all got it wrong.

"Chinese players and Joe Six Pack are carrying HD-DVD to the quick finish line. The format war is already over."


Jeez, how many times do you all have to be told this?

Show me a Chinese player....and I'll show you pictures of a gang of skinheads watching "The Jefferson's"
(-Lord I apologize for that, be down there in New Guinea with the starving Pigmy's)

They are mythical creatures, like Unicorns...Bigfoot, the abominable snowman!

[phloyd]

I guess there is no saving this thread - nyg - shut 'er down!

[zombie]

Originally Posted by phloyd

I guess there is no saving this thread - nyg - shut 'er down!

Well as you mentioned in your previous post to this thread, the validity of the top 10 flicks isn't all it's cracked up to be since there's no sign of the top 2 films coming at all on BD. Still as shamus points out, it's well worth noting that the entire top 10 has the potential to be released on BD at some point whereas HD DVD has major limits at this point. Bottom line, by the time some all of these films are released in HD the studio support could have changed in either format's favor. Hard to predict the future ya know.

[WriteSimply]

Actually, even if you take 2005 list from B.O-Mojo, you'll see that seven out of ten titles are not yet released on HD. So that really is a sobering fact of the state of HD discs right now.

1 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire WB
2 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox
3 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe BV
4 War of the Worlds Par.
5 King Kong Uni.
6 Madagascar DW
7 Mr. & Mrs. Smith Fox
8 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory WB
9 Batman Begins WB
10 Hitch Sony

Mr. & Mrs. Smith should be great under Fox. 24/48 DTS HDMA!


fuad

[shamus]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Actually, even if you take 2005 list from B.O-Mojo, you'll see that seven out of ten titles are not yet released on HD. So that really is a sobering fact of the state of HD discs right now.

1 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire WB
2 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith Fox
3 The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe BV
4 War of the Worlds Par.
5 King Kong Uni.
6 Madagascar DW
7 Mr. & Mrs. Smith Fox
8 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory WB
9 Batman Begins WB
10 Hitch Sony

Mr. & Mrs. Smith should be great under Fox. 24/48 DTS HDMA!


fuad

4 titles BD exclusive
1 title HD-DVD exclusive

[shamus]

1 Gone with the Wind MGM
2 Star Wars Fox
3 The Sound of Music Fox
4 E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial Uni.
5 The Ten Commandments Par.
6 Titanic Par.
7 Jaws Uni.
8 Doctor Zhivago MGM
9 The Exorcist WB
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Dis.
11 101 Dalmatians Dis.
12 The Empire Strikes Back Fox
13 Ben-Hur MGM
14 Return of the Jedi Fox
15 The Sting Uni.
16 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par.
17 Jurassic Park Uni.
18 The Graduate AVCO
19 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace Fox
20 Fantasia Dis.
21 The Godfather Par.
22 Forrest Gump Par.
23 Mary Poppins Dis.
24 The Lion King BV
25 Grease Par.
26 Thunderball UA
27 The Jungle Book Dis.
28 Sleeping Beauty Dis.
29 Shrek 2 DW
30 Ghostbusters Col.
31 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Fox
32 Love Story Par.
33 Spider-Man Sony
34 Independence Day Fox
35 Home Alone Fox
36 Pinocchio Dis.
37 Cleopatra Fox
38 Beverly Hills Cop Par.
39 Goldfinger UA
40 Airport Uni.
41 American Graffiti Uni.
42 The Robe Fox
43 Around the World in 80 Days UA
44 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV
45 Bambi RKO
46 Blazing Saddles WB
47 Batman WB
48 The Bells of St. Mary's RKO
49 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL
50 The Towering Inferno Fox


Top 50 Domestic adjusted for inflation(This gets out some of the fluff and allows some classics in there)
54% BD exclusive studios (27 titles)
12% HD-DVD exclusive studios (6 titles)

[hmurchison]

You're wasting your time. People don't care about exclusives in how they affect in a positive way, they care about affect in a negative way. I don't care that Universal is the only HD DVD exclusive. I "care" about having them and Warner and Paramount making movies.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

You're wasting your time. People don't care about exclusives in how they affect in a positive way, they care about affect in a negative way.

HD-DVD people will not have access to 54% of the before mentioned movies. Is that negative enough for you?

[zombie]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

HD-DVD people will not have access to 54% of the before mentioned movies. Is that negative enough for you?

I agree, I don't understand how someone can just ignore that many movies simply because they prefer HD DVD.

[phloyd]

I think that can be summarised byy saying the key is if or when these exclusive studios decide to support both formats.

There is no way a format can do well in the long term if 'half the good movies' are not available. and it seems that however we choose to break down the popular movie list, around 50% are BD exclusive the way things stand today.

Personally I think the 'will be released in 2006' list is more important since the standings are less likely to change in that time frame - by the end of the year, studios might have widened their product offering

I noticed yesterday that the BD / HD DVD stand at Best Buy in Sunnyvale has moved again. Now it is the first thing you see entering the store. So the title choice is going to be 'in your face' going forward...

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by phloyd

There is no way a format can do well in the long term if 'half the good movies' are not available. and it seems that however we choose to break down the popular movie list, around 50% are BD exclusive the way things stand today.

That's 50% exclusive but not 50% of all movies will be missing (at least not from the Blu-ray side). A format would do just fine with about 90% total support (that's Blu-ray), but the other studio (Universal) is more likely to give in than all of the Blu-ray exclusive studios.

[phloyd]

It is HD DVD that is missing half the good movies...

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out...

[hmurchison]

The thing you guys are missing is this.

There are some movies that people go to watch in the movie and after that they have little desire to own the movie. There are some movies that people don't watch much in the Theatre but the DVD sells like gangbusters.

You're trying to tell me that just because a movie is a top grosser means it'll be a hot HD movie sale and that's false. The larger grossing movies tend to heavily advertised fare that receive a lot of theater plays. Smaller movies tend to have limited distribution but do fairly well in movie sales.

Patting yourself on the back because of exclusive studios and top grossing movies smacks of fanboism. I don't have ANY doubts that Universal will be Blu-Ray by years end 2007 but I also don't have ANY doubts that Buena Vista /Disney and LGF will be HD DVD as well.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

The thing you guys are missing is this.

There are some movies that people go to watch in the movie and after that they have little desire to own the movie. There are some movies that people don't watch much in the Theatre but the DVD sells like gangbusters.

You're trying to tell me that just because a movie is a top grosser means it'll be a hot HD movie sale and that's false. The larger grossing movies tend to heavily advertised fare that receive a lot of theater plays. Smaller movies tend to have limited distribution but do fairly well in movie sales.

Patting yourself on the back because of exclusive studios and top grossing movies smacks of fanboism. I don't have ANY doubts that Universal will be Blu-Ray by years end 2007 but I also don't have ANY doubts that Buena Vista /Disney and LGF will be HD DVD as well.

So Spiderman, Cars...superman will not sell like hot cakes in HD???
If your going to have this perspective then have some factual data to back it.

For your information, top grossing films such as "Click" we get 200 copies in on release date. Lesser anticipated titles we'll get 50 or less in.
The only time I saw Best Buy miss the boat was on the launch of Napoleon Dynomite when it launched we got 15 titles, and sold out in the first hour. Best Buy quickly realized they had a hit and had 150 titles in the following week.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

The thing you guys are missing is this.

There are some movies that people go to watch in the movie and after that they have little desire to own the movie. There are some movies that people don't watch much in the Theatre but the DVD sells like gangbusters.

You're trying to tell me that just because a movie is a top grosser means it'll be a hot HD movie sale and that's false. The larger grossing movies tend to heavily advertised fare that receive a lot of theater plays. Smaller movies tend to have limited distribution but do fairly well in movie sales.

Patting yourself on the back because of exclusive studios and top grossing movies smacks of fanboism. I don't have ANY doubts that Universal will be Blu-Ray by years end 2007 but I also don't have ANY doubts that Buena Vista /Disney and LGF will be HD DVD as well.

No offense but I think you fell off your rocker here. Top theatrical blockbusters always sell well on video. That's not being a fanboi, it's fact. End of story.

[PurpleAardvark]

Well it is starting to go down hill here but I won't add to that. I kind of see both sides on this one. Movie that come to mind when I want to by a DVD, are titles like X-men, LOTR, Harry Potter, Usual Suspects, The LW series, ect... the types of movies you want to see over and over. Top grossing movies sometimes flop to in movie sales. I do see the major impact of Blu ray but with 90% support what do you expect, of course you are going to have more Blu Ray excl. HD is lacking in suppport right now, case closed end of story, it isn't going to change in a few months either. You guys all know I am Blu all the way but he does sort of, kind of have a piont that not all the movies that do best in box office are going to have stellar DVD sales. However it is kind of a pipe dream that 3 studios are going to go HD before one goes 1 goes BD. How's this for a piont though BD can get 100% studio support, HD can only hope to get 90% unless they win the war. That's right it is a big ol pipe dream to think Sony is going to hopp on the ol HD trail, although I am sure some HD fanboys think it is going to happen next week. I'll have to check AVS on that one. P.S. your right about cars, and superman can't wait to get my copy.