Blu-Ray Music

[THE STUD]

Has anybody heard anything about Blu-Ray music. I don't mean live concerts, I mean actual Cd's but in blu-ray quality. maybe total compilations on one disc or 5.1 discs, essentially a 25 or 50gb SACD/DVD-A.
I really really want high quality music since the SACD/DVD-A thing died and nobody is releasing much of anyting on those formats.

[Dave]

Here:
http://sonybmg.com/blu-ray/

[THE STUD]

NO I know about the Blu-Ray MusicVideo/Love concert discs, I want basically a huge CD or SACD disc, and I've already taken that survey and then heard nothign more about music only discs. Anyone know anything more about it?

[AlexKx]

This is EXACTLY what I am DESPERATELY hoping that the music industry does! People don't realize how many unreleased tracks there are for not all but many music releases as well as film whether it be old and new interviews, short promotional films, making ofs, alternative versions of songs, demos, outtakes, instrumentals, etc. now can all fit on ONE side of a disc! Plus everything in 5.1 and stereo! Mindblowing! Everyone here have written me off with this being the next format of music saying it won't work, it's dumb, and that the next format for music is just music downloads, that no one will buy their music again, all this unrelenting b.s. as far as I am concerned. The music industry in my opinion obviously can use downloads but they can definitely use the Blu-Ray discs for all this stuff and include the great packagain with artwork and information too. They need it in my opinion to save them from the ruin they are falling in. I wish to God we could wake more of the public up to how great and mindblowing this would be.

I do know that Universale Music (which apparently is a different company from Universal Movies) have said that they intend to do this with their music releases. I pray to God that they do and replace c.d.s with all of this. Of course I have only seen information about Universal Music doing this from a year ago or so and not a word from anyone else in the music industry other than some girl columnist suggesting this very thing be done as well. More than likely they are waiting on the format war to end...I can't wait!

[jorg]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

This is EXACTLY what I am DESPERATELY hoping that the music industry does! People don't realize how many unreleased tracks there are for not all but many music releases as well as film whether it be old and new interviews, short promotional films, making ofs, alternative versions of songs, demos, outtakes, instrumentals, etc. now can all fit on ONE side of a disc! Plus everything in 5.1 and stereo! Mindblowing! Everyone here have written me off with this being the next format of music saying it won't work, it's dumb, and that the next format for music is just music downloads, that no one will buy their music again, all this unrelenting b.s. as far as I am concerned. The music industry in my opinion obviously can use downloads but they can definitely use the Blu-Ray discs for all this stuff and include the great packagain with artwork and information too. They need it in my opinion to save them from the ruin they are falling in. I wish to God we could wake more of the public up to how great and mindblowing this would be.

I do know that Universale Music (which apparently is a different company from Universal Movies) have said that they intend to do this with their music releases. I pray to God that they do and replace c.d.s with all of this. Of course I have only seen information about Universal Music doing this from a year ago or so and not a word from anyone else in the music industry other than some girl columnist suggesting this very thing be done as well. More than likely they are waiting on the format war to end...I can't wait!

im hoping for the new cds becoming blu-ray dose any one know how much audio of 7.1 pcm can fit onto a 25 gig disc?

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by jorg

im hoping for the new cds becoming blu-ray dose any one know how much audio of 7.1 pcm can fit onto a 25 gig disc?

I think that's just overkill. Using DVD-5/9 for DVD-Audio or SACD is sufficient enough. The main draw of using Blu-ray for audio is that now the music in a music video can also be in high def.

I still hope that SACD will get a second launch via the proliferation of PS3 and HDMI receivers. It's just a logical progression.


fuad

[Deciazulado]

25 GB is about 3 times 9 HB, so, uh, 3?

[AlexKx]

Can you even begin to explain to me why you would want to go BACKWARDS using a dead format for music? Why would you not want discs that are far less scratchable? You don't have 5.1 ON SACD's if I recall. You also will never have the room on a disc for all of that. Are you totally unaware that there are artists out there that could literally have hours of material on a SINGLE release? Why hinder yourself using something that won't satisfy that oportunity? Why is there is supposed to be some sort of "progression" when everyone are suppose to be buying this new format (Blu-Ray)? Doesn't seem like you are supporting Blu-Ray at all if you ask by saying it should only be used "for certain things". That's dumb. Do you just use water for drinking and shower with sand?

[THE STUD]

seriously, I loved SACD/DVD-Audio, but why use them when SACD is no more than just one album? THink of all the music you could put on a BLu-Ray disc in 5.1 pcm at 96khz/24bit or whatever. I want super high quality audio

Music downloads are bs as far as qualtiy goes. Mp3 sounds like krap compared to even regular cd's. Why would u want mediocre sound with all this new hdtv. I want HD sound, and then maybe some cool backgrounds on the blu-ray music would be awesome as well. I could see an entire artist's collection on like 1 or 2 50gb discs depending on the artist. WOuldn't that be awesome? in pcm and track menus

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

You don't have 5.1 ON SACD's if I recall.

No, you have 6 channels of 2.8 MHz DSD audio and 2 channels of 2.8 MHz DSD audio and 2 channels of 44.1 kHz PCM audio.

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

No, you have 6 channels of 2.8 MHz DSD audio and 2 channels of 2.8 MHz DSD audio and 2 channels of 44.1 kHz PCM audio.

What he said.

Originally Posted by AlexKx

Why would you not want discs that are far less scratchable?

The hardcoating can be applied to CDs and DVDs. So it's not that big a leap to apply it to DVD-A and SACDs.

You also will never have the room on a disc for all of that. Are you totally unaware that there are artists out there that could literally have hours of material on a SINGLE release?

Of course. I'm not a big fan of one hit wonders.

However, I doubt that it could happen in the next 24 months. Most of these multi-hour box sets on CDs are rather well planned. The artistes and even the recording company spent a lot of time finding all the right material to put it there.

The key issue here is royalties. I believe box sets uses a special kind of arrangement between the artistes and the recording company. It's been cited by many artistes before that for regular albums, if the track list exceeds a certain number, then the rest of that just won't get paid back to the artistes. This applies to 12+ tracks albums and that includes double-LPs/CDs.

So it comes down to cost. For the recording company, it's the cost of recording or mastering all of the tracks. For the artistes, it comes down to reduced royalties.

Why hinder yourself using something that won't satisfy that oportunity? Why is there is supposed to be some sort of "progression" when everyone are suppose to be buying this new format (Blu-Ray)?

From what I know, there is no "BD-Audio" spec that has been ratified. I don't even think a "BD-Audio" spec has been submitted to the BDA.

What that means is if you want high-res audio on BD now, it has to use BDMV format just like regular movies do. It will be one song and one visual card; owners of DVD-As would know what I mean. The audio can be 24-bit/48kHz PCM or if you use DTS HDMA, higher than that.

Strictly speaking, there are lots of unknowns with a "BD-Audio". None of which is bad. It's just a guessing game for now.

Doesn't seem like you are supporting Blu-Ray at all if you ask by saying it should only be used "for certain things". That's dumb. Do you just use water for drinking and shower with sand?

The rest of this I don't have to answer.


fuad

[dobyblue]

It's coming don't worry. First they have to get big movies out and thus ensure the format's continued success.
Once the install base becomes significant I'm sure you'll see some audio discs come out on Blu-ray.
Being able to go to 7.1 is something SACD and DVD-Audio discs cannot do. DVD-A is limited to 24/96 into 5.1, Blu-ray can handle 7.1 PCM up to 24/192
I'd buy if it was one of my favourite artists.

With Universal Music Group, SonyBMG and Warner Music Group all in the Blu-ray camp, that about 75% of all music ever made. Plus I'm pretty sure Warner is still trying to buy EMI, which would put all four of the big music publishers on team Blu-ray.

In the meantime there's probably a lot of SACD and DVD-Audio discs that you don't have. The Pixies Surfer Rosa comes out next Tuesday on Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs SACD. Genesis are re-releasing all 14 of their studio albums on SACD/CD Hybrid + DVD format, likely including a DTS 24/96 and DD 5.1 on the DVD-Video portion for those that cannot play SACD's. The first five releases, spanning the bands first five albums with Phil Collins, come out in April. The other albums will come out later this year for half of them and then early 2008 for the Peter Gabriel years. All SACD's will have multi-channel mixes on them.

http://www.genesis-music.com/genesispr.htm

The Beatles just released their first DVD-Audio disc which was 5.1 24/96 and amazing.

SACD isn't dead. There were 1,000 titles released between summer 2005 and summer 2006. When SACD first came out they hit 1,000 titles released in 2002, three years after the format came out. If anything it's got more support right now than ever before. I love the format.

[THE STUD]

Likewise, I love SACD/DVD_Audio sound quality, it just seems that where I live, there is only 1 store in the entire area that carries them, and they haven't gotten in a new shipment for about a year, there's just a few pickings left, and pretty sad ones at that. I went to Barnes & Nobles, they didn't even know what those formats were. Mostly I want soundtracks, I'm a big soundtrack collector, and it's all about quality of sound with that kind of music. I have the LOTR expanded score which has a DVD-A with it. It's amazing, I just wish I could see this kind of audio for many many soundtracks. This is one of 2 I have seen. Hope fully either Blu-Ray will bring something out, or the SACD/DVD-A will get its second wind. Just something for us guys who want above cd quality sound.

[dobyblue]

I would strongly recommend using www.sa-cd.net for keeping up with what's new and also where to buy it.
The marketplace sellers on Amazon.co.uk is where I find a lot of great deals on SACD's.
I believe in terms of soundtracks Dances With Wolves, ET, A Beautiful Mind, O Brother Where Are Thou?, Star Trek Nemesis, Footloose, Top Gun, Terminator 2, Seabiscuit, Chicago, The SOund of Music, Amadeus and The Sopranos VOlume 2 are all available on SACD.

[AlexKx]

O.k. if you have an infinite amount of c.d.s in a music store and you have to look for your VERY select choices of a format it is irrelevant. Again I am not about to support a format that in no way handles what Blu-Ray can. Why not conform to one format when you have the chance but yet move to another so there will never be one for all music, films, and video games? I CANNOT believe WriteSimply that you somehow ruled out a format because you are not a fan of one hit wonders...duh. Why even bother with a full c.d. if that's the case. It doesn't seem you are a fan of the idea of a disc having bonus tracks of songs, demos, outtakes, intrumentals, remixes, alternative versions, edits, extended versions, short promotional films, new and old interviews, making of's, and recording of's so why may I ask dear do you come to the conclusion that the public at large would not desire this when this has been done for most artists who have had re-releases over the last couple of decades?

[THE STUD]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

O.k. if you have an infinite amount of c.d.s in a music store and you have to look for your VERY select choices of a format it is irrelevant. Again I am not about to support a format that in no way handles what Blu-Ray can. Why not conform to one format when you have the chance but yet move to another so there will never be one for all music, films, and video games? I CANNOT believe WriteSimply that you somehow ruled out a format because you are not a fan of one hit wonders...duh. Why even bother with a full c.d. if that's the case. It doesn't seem you are a fan of the idea of a disc having bonus tracks of songs, demos, outtakes, intrumentals, remixes, alternative versions, edits, extended versions, short promotional films, new and old interviews, making of's, and recording of's so why may I ask dear do you come to the conclusion that the public at large would not desire this when this has been done for most artists who have had re-releases over the last couple of decades?

I agree with you, the format is pretty much dead(unfortunately I love it) but since there were two formats, I think that's why they fail. WE need to go all out on blu ray making it the future for everything video AND audio. It needs to be the next Cd's the next videos and mega storage for data. I see there's only a few soundtracks on SACD, I have 1, and it's not really a popular one. I want pirates and gladiator and batman and so many more on bluray.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

Again I am not about to support a format that in no way handles what Blu-Ray can.

Well, blu-ray is not an audio-only format. A lot of us were really hoping SACD would replace CD as the mass-market format.

Why not conform to one format when you have the chance but yet move to another so there will never be one for all music, films, and video games?

SACD was already launched, players hit the market, including the PS3, thousands of titles were released, and then the industry dropped it. As for blu-ray, that's not an audio format no matter how you slice it. What would really be nice is if blu-ray incorporated DSD audio capabilities.

[AlexKx]

Huh? What do you mean that Blu-Ray is not an audio format? Does it not have audio with it's films? So why could it not have audio without it's films? They did it for d.v.d.-audio.

Gremal I don't know what you are talking about how there were "so many thousands" of SACDs when there were in truth two things going on with SACD and DVD-audio at the same time. One they were released both at the same time only confusing the public and TWO there were NOT many options to choose from so this whole idea that "so many were release" doesn't hold water...

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

Gremal I don't know what you are talking about how there were "so many thousands" of SACDs

Well there are 4000 SACDs...

[AlexKx]

Right and they were by far the minority of discs compared to c.d.s in a store...if you could find them.