Difficult to develop on ps3?

[Gamekid]

I know that we have all heard about this. I was under the impression that developing for the ps2 was hard and you had to know exactly what you were doing otherwise your game would flop. The ps3 hardware allows us to do more then ever however, it is taking longer then ever to complete a ps3 game. This is the impression that I was and still am under. We are in the next generation of gaming and the gaming industry is huge even though some people say that developing is getting more expensive, but on the bright side, developers make a lot of money.

[jorg]

Originally Posted by Gamekid

I know that we have all heard about this. I was under the impression that developing for the ps2 was hard and you had to know exactly what you were doing otherwise your game would flop. The ps3 hardware allows us to do more then ever however, it is taking longer then ever to complete a ps3 game. This is the impression that I was and still am under. We are in the next generation of gaming and the gaming industry is huge even though some people say that developing is getting more expensive, but on the bright side, developers make a lot of money.

your wrong i my self have posted two different stories saying the opeset which was from game developer's and there has been much talk the ps3 isent essay but its not hard the ps2 was hard your right. and its taking a long time because of the level of detail needed when you are given a free week to live in a dream home u don`t leave on day 3 and use it as much as possible but for the ps3 theres just so much to use!!!lol and developers we not giving working ps3s to work with until about July-August so it dosent take that long
to actruly make the game but it takes for ever to use all the detail

[Gamekid]

Phil mentioned that a few tools were being used to ease ps3 development. Is sony trying to make ps3 development as easy as possible?

[jorg]

yes sony had said that they are and i have read that sony is constently trying to inprove the tools used to develop for the ps3 and stuff like that makes sense i read an interview with the guys that made flow and they said they chose ps3 over wii because sony offered so much help

[Gamekid]

So what sony is doing is good right?

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Gamekid

So what sony is doing is good right?

Of course, what they are doing is good...hell, it's great! They really had to do it, because of the ease of making games for the 360. MS dev tools make it easy to create titles from what I heard. What do you expect though. They are software programmers first over there. I think that Sony is making it easier to develop games for the PS3 because they launched after MS so they don't have the advantage of making developers learn a non user friendly dev kit.

I think that is part of the reason they are able to keep the PS2 from feeling dated. The abilities of the PS2 were just being maximized a little while ago due to the long learning curve to program for the full power on it. That's just my theory.

[Gamekid]

I think that we can make great game on the ps3, we just need to know how to do it. We need to keep key things in good games though such as online play, multiplayer, and a co op mode. Also the game should be programed to take advantage of the hard drive. What I mean is that it was mentioned that the hard drive could cache game files so that the files could be copied to ram as they are needed hopefully shortening load times. Some of the ps3 games that I have played so far have fairly short load times of less then one minute, but they seem to be the same as on ps2 maybe a little shorter. With the ps3, you have either a 25 or 50 GB disc, a hard drive and lots of memory to work with. I did hear that even though sony made the ps3, they have no idea what the cell CPU can do even though they made the chip. I don't know if this is true or not.

[jorg]

i belive that sony dosent know persisly what the cell can do but they have an idea it's sorta like a hammer yes it can hammer things down and pry nails up but it can also smash windows or break a rock.i have read interviews were game creators are saying they are doing stuff with the cell that they dident think was possiable.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

I know enough about chip/processor design to know that you don't design a chip and have no idea of what it might be capable of. They may not have had exact number before it was created, but they definitely had an idea of what it could do. These processors were tested before implemented, so they have numbers on what the cell can do in the PS3. One thing that probably don't know yet is exactly how those numbers translate into games (because games weren't created on it yet). There are so many ways to take advantage of that kind of power to create unique games that Sony couldn't tell you exactly what level of graphics and physics you can expect in order to max the unit out.

However Sony does know the PS3 is better than the Xbox 360 in almost every category. Hell, MS even knows it! They just can't tell their customers it.

Edit: jorg beat me to the point.

[Gamekid]

Originally Posted by Ascended_Saiyan

I know enough about chip/processor design to know that you don't design a chip and have no idea of what it might be capable of. They may not have had exact number before it was created, but they definitely had an idea of what it could do. These processors were tested before implemented, so they have numbers on what the cell can do in the PS3. One thing that probably don't know yet is exactly how those numbers translate into games (because games weren't created on it yet). There are so many ways to take advantage of that kind of power to create unique games that Sony couldn't tell you exactly what level of graphics and physics you can expect in order to max the unit out.

However Sony does know the PS3 is better than the Xbox 360 in almost every category. Hell, MS even knows it! They just can't tell their customers it.

Edit: jorg beat me to the point.

I know what you mean. Microsoft wants the xbox 360 to outdue the ps3 in every way possible. If microsoft told their customers about it, they would go out of business.

[Shu76]

Weather or not the PS3 or PS2 is difficult to develop for is no excuse as to why thier game sucks,that's not the consumer's problem. Toyota doesn't say, "well the mid sized car is difficult to make,sorry if your engine fell out on the highway...It's been happening after so many hours of driving it" We as consumer's are supposed to be okay with this?

[stockstar1138]

The thing is 2 developers (makers of Lair and LittleBigPlanet) have come out and said the PS3 is not hard to program for. Its hard if you want to try to port 360 code to ps3 code. however, simply writing for the ps3 is not hard at all. they have also said what they can do with ps3 can't be down with any other console. so far a lot of the games that have come out are crap ports by lazy developers (*cough EA cough* or inexperienced developers with the ps3, which is made them bad.

[Blu_J]

I personally think that game developers have largely grown lazy and complacent. It seems they would rather maintain a formula that would easily translate to all consoles in one shot. Of course I do not know anything about game development, so I can't rightfully say. It just seems like a lot of whining. Isn't that their job, developing games. Shouldn't they be relishing a challenge, especially when Blu offers so much potential. So here's to clearing the fog that seems to be in the heads of so many developers...

BTY, first post here. Here's to many more. Love what I've seen so far. Keep up the good work all!

[iceman]

I've been programming for about 20 years, including advanced graphics applications for PCs etc etc. I've never programmed any PS or Xbox console, but I have a couple of friends working for a well known games company that do. When speaking to one of them (who I would label as VERY competent) about the PS3, he was thrilled and was certain that the PS3 would be a MAJOR hit.

After that I've never worried about the PS3.

[Gamekid]

A lot of games don't get all that they should. I was hoping that with the next gen systems, we wouldn't have as many bad games as we did with the last gen systems, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[billymcmoy]

i think MS has more games because they use DVD ROM but the ps3 uses blu ray which is a new thing and it might take longer to make and it;s more expensive. DVD ROM is cheaper and has been out for years. But next year i think the PS will have just as much games as the 360.

[Cryxen]

Developing for xbox and ps3 is like so, its harder to fly a jet than a car, but if you can fly a jet, the car is a load of inferior something by comparison. =D