Copying HD DVD and Blu-ray discs may become legal

[HDTV1080P]

QUOTE
“Under a licensing agreement in its final stages, consumers may get the right to make several legal copies of HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc movies they've purchased, a concession by the movie industry that may quell criticism that DRM (digital rights management) technologies are too restrictive.“
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/05/24/Copying-discs-legal_1.html?source=NLC-TB&cgd=2007-05-24

[jorg]

well i gusse u could make as many copies of a movie u own as many times as u want as long as there is never more then 1 copie of teh disc at a time

[aaronwt]

This is nothing new.

[remember]

If I buy a movie, is it legal for me to download and save it to my hardrive?

What about if I then want to make a copy of that, say as a backup?

What about, if I rent a Blu-ray? Can I save it to my Hardrive or save it on a Blu-ray R, RE?

What about if I have HD TV? Can I use the Blu-ray burner to save any HD program/show from TV?

[HDTV1080P]

Many people will debate the fair use policy. Consumers are suppose to be allowed to make a backup copy for personal use of music or movies. The problem is many people abuse the fair use policy and instead of making copies for themselves they give copies to friends which is illegal. If the studios allow consumers to make managed copies this might be popular as long as people only use it to make backup copies for their own use..
You are allowed to make backup copies of music or movies under the fair use policy but you are not allowed to break encryption on a disc in order to make a backup copy.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by remember

If I buy a movie, is it legal for me to download and save it to my hardrive?

What about if I then want to make a copy of that, say as a backup?

What about, if I rent a Blu-ray? Can I save it to my Hardrive or save it on a Blu-ray R, RE?

What about if I have HD TV? Can I use the Blu-ray burner to save any HD program/show from TV?

• Yes if you buy a movie online you are allowed to download it and save it to your hard drive.
• Yes you are allowed to make a fair use backup copy but if the music or video you are copying contains encryption you are not allowed to break the encryption. So in the end you are not allowed to copy anything that is encrypted.
• If you rent a DVD or BLU-RAY disc you are not allowed to make a backup copy. You have to own the movie to make a backup copy.
• Yes under the fair use doctrine you are allowed to make a analog or perfect digital copy of any movie or show on TV. That rule applies to over the air broadcast, satellite, and cable TV. Now all digital satellite and all digital cable boxes contain a chip that can prevent one from making a analog or digital copy if the program provider wants to turn on a feature to prevent one from copying a program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

[remember]

To HDTV1080P:

Correct me if Im wrong, but its seems like you are saying that consumers should be able to make a copy, but then you are saying that all the Blu-ray movies are encrypted, which prevents consumers from copying or backing up the disc?

I see we posted at the same time. Shame about not being able to record a rented movie, atleast if its just for myself.

As far as you saying that some? discs are encrypted, . . .why would some be encrypted and others are not? Are the rentals encrypted and the ones you buy not encrypted?

That fair use article is like a thousand pages. I'll have to read it with a lawyer.

Sidestepping, How do you know if the Satellite TV box you have at home, has that chip, that prevents recording HDTV or any TV?

[supersix4]

i doubt it will be that way forever just like when dvds came out oh no-one will be able to copy them ... now you can do it on every movie out there...the people that make the encryptions will always have people just as smart trying to get around them ... I think if you set fair prices and keep the restrictions on it wouldnt be a big deal .. I remeber when napster came out cds were almost 25$ for a new one, talk about price gouging... just set fair prices and almost everyone will be satisfied

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by remember

To HDTV1080P:

Correct me if Im wrong, but its seems like you are saying that consumers should be able to make a copy, but then you are saying that all the Blu-ray movies are encrypted, which prevents consumers from copying or backing up the disc?

I see we posted at the same time. Shame about not being able to record a rented movie, atleast if its just for myself.

As far as you saying that some? discs are encrypted, . . .why would some be encrypted and others are not? Are the rentals encrypted and the ones you buy not encrypted?

That fair use article is like a thousand pages. I'll have to read it with a lawyer.

Sidestepping, How do you know if the Satellite TV box you have at home, has that chip, that prevents recording HDTV or any TV?

If the HD-DVD or BLU-RAY content provider decides to allow consumers to make one or more managed copies then even on an AACS encrypted disc consumers will be able to make copies. With DVD one has to remove the encryption on most DVD’s to make a copy since the DVD format does not support managed copies. Many years ago one could walk into a Best Buy retail store and purchase a DVD X copy program that removed the copy protection off the DVD’s which allowed consumers to make perfect backup copies. As soon as the DVD X Copy company lost their court case and the program became illegal it was removed from retail stores and the company that produced the program went out of business. I remember Best Buy only having the DVD X copy program on their shelves for a very short period of time many years ago. Of course once and a while one can now find programs on the Internet that removes the CSS copy protection.
The good thing about BLU-RAY and HD-DVD is that if the content providers allow it consumers can make a perfect copy.
Unless the program provider, Direct TV, Dish Network, or the cable company turns on the analog macrovision chip then one will be able to record what is coming out of the S-Video or Video jack with no problem. The DVR can be disabled if the content provider decides to only allow viewing only.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrovision

[HDTV1080P]

95% of all DVD’s and HDTV discs are encrypted. It is just some low budget documentaries and workout videos that are not encrypted. Rentals are the same disc in general as store bought discs.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Many people will debate the fair use policy. Consumers are suppose to be allowed to make a backup copy for personal use of music or movies. The problem is many people abuse the fair use policy and instead of making copies for themselves they give copies to friends which is illegal. If the studios allow consumers to make managed copies this might be popular as long as people only use it to make backup copies for their own use..
You are allowed to make backup copies of music or movies under the fair use policy but you are not allowed to break encryption on a disc in order to make a backup copy.

I believe the current plan would lock the copy to the playback device. So, it wouldn't be portable beyond the specific targets. In other words, it transitions content from copy protection systems to a true DRM.

Gary

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I believe the current plan would lock the copy to the playback device. So, it wouldn't be portable beyond the specific targets. In other words, it transitions content from copy protection systems to a true DRM.

Gary

Good point Gary,

The wise decision would be to make the play back device a network drive everyone in the house could access. If one owns several HDTV players and can only play the disc on one player in the house then people will get upset.

[kjack]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The wise decision would be to make the play back device a network drive everyone in the house could access.

This is what most people are planning for:

http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/P...TV-8634_br.pdf

[Josh]

They've been talking about Managed Copy since before the release. Not sure why they would put a news item about it now with nothing resolved.

I love the network idea. I actually love the idea of having a centralized server where the only thing on a Laptop or computer would be a small operation system with enough power to run the most basic applications and pull all media off the server.

[ps3andlovinit]

Originally Posted by Josh

They've been talking about Managed Copy since before the release. Not sure why they would put a news item about it now with nothing resolved.

I love the network idea. I actually love the idea of having a centralized server where the only thing on a Laptop or computer would be a small operation system with enough power to run the most basic applications and pull all media off the server.

You mean like a PS3 with one of those new 250GB Western Digital laptop drives.

That way you can have LAN parties as well when your finished watching movies. Can't do that with a NAS and probably not with a PC aimed at file serving that your describing,

Using a PC or NAS that costs at least as much if not more - mainly for serving files seems like such a waste in comparison to getting another PS3 - and now you have multiple blu-ray players as well .