Nightwatch and Daywatch in hand (Japanese versions) - Blu-ray Forum

Cplhicks · 07-07-2008, 02:25 AM

I just picked these up last night-- they came out on the 4th, I believe. The two pack has a slipcase for the movies with a "3D" image (one where you change the angle and the image changes a little). The menus are all English, there is English audio and subs (as well as the original Russian, of course). Original artwork images showed DTS HD audio on these, but in fact it is Dolby Tru HD. In fact, both discs come with little "True HD" instruction book, as well as a True HD collector card for the movie.

The menus are a static image, and might be the same as the UK release, as there is a fox.co.uk link on the menus, as well as Fox international.

Spot checked Daywatch, and the picture seems pretty good (very small amount of visible grain). Overall seems like it'll be a pretty good set. Gotta watch them soon!

Actually, after checking these, I think Fox screwed up, and these really ARE the UK versions. There are multiple European languages on there, but no Japanese audio or subtitles (as listed on the packaging. Messed up!

WickyWoo · 07-07-2008, 02:56 AM

How are the subtitles handled? Are the burned-in animated subtitles retained, or did they duplicate them in Java, or did they just go vanilla?

lgans316 · 07-07-2008, 03:00 AM

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=21

Courtesy: Kannisto@HDD - http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=59843

Night Watch

MPEG-4 AVC BD-50 (REGION FREE / ENGLISH MENU AVAILABLE)
Running time: 1:54:21
Movie size: 37,754,382,336 bytes
Disc size: 43,949,394,764 bytes
Total bit rate: 44.02 Mbps
Average video bit rate: 32.95 Mbps

Dolby TrueHD Audio Russian 3803 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3803kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps)
DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio German 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps

Subtitles: English / Japanese / Danish / Dutch / Finnish / French / German / Norwegian / Swedish

Number of chapters: 21

Day Watch

MPEG-4 AVC BD-50 [REGION FREE / ENGLISH MENU AVAILABLE]
Running time: 2:25:48
Movie size: 44,533,014,528 bytes
Disc size: 46,537,441,336 bytes
Total bit rate: 40.72 Mbps
Average Video Bit Rate: 29.47 Mbps

Dolby TrueHD Audio Russian 3617 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3617kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps)
DTS Audio English 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio German 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps
Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps

Subtitles: English / Japanese / Danish / Dutch / Finnish / French / German / Norwegian / Swedish

Number of chapters : 41

AnimeOnBlu · 07-07-2008, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

How are the subtitles handled? Are the burned-in animated subtitles retained, or did they duplicate them in Java, or did they just go vanilla?

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/show...39&postcount=4

According to kannisto, they are the plain white subs. One of the extras has the burn in comic subs.

WickyWoo · 07-07-2008, 03:08 AM

That's very dissapointing. Those subs really made it fresh

I've subtitled quite a number of concerts, and I've always taken great pains, tweaking to the frame to make sure that the subtitles flow on and off with the music. When I saw the animated subs on that movie, it really felt like the director was painstakingly making them part of the narrative, I was very impressed

Cplhicks · 07-07-2008, 05:30 AM

Okay, I figured it out (with a little help from that other forum thread).
It actually changes menus and language options based on the language selection under BD Menu language on the PS3. If you have English selected, it goes to the English menu with European languages (and locks out the Japanese choices-- you can't even switch to them via remote). If you select japanese as the language, the menu is in Japanese and only English, Russian and Japanese are selectable, Weird! Wonder if that means this disc is region free? Seems like the same disc could be used in Europe as well...

WickyWoo · 07-07-2008, 05:45 AM

You'll find there's tons of DVDs that do that as well.

One of the big benefits from a production standpoint is that you don't have to create art/eat up space for every language, and just have it load assets on the fly. You can create a text file and just have it load just like a webpage would

lgans316 · 07-07-2008, 06:17 AM

99% of the BVHE Blu-rays released overseas feature multi-lingual menu and DTS tracks in Spanish/French. Quite surprising that FOX went multilingual with Day and Night Watch and it makes sense to me as FOX may not have the primary ownership over the contents.

Sample screenshots attached for reference.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2346/...93a40b4f_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/...e0227b4b_b.jpg

Cplhicks · 07-07-2008, 07:26 AM

The menus being different doesn't shock me too much-- it's the fact that depending on WHICH menu you get, certain language and subtitle options are LOCKED OUT. Also, you cannot access them no matter what if you are in the wrong "menu profile." If it just had an English or Japanese menu with all the options available at once, no big deal. Locking them out is weird. And mind you, you don't get to select at the beginning of booting the disc (like most BVHE discs) -- it is selected by player preset. Also the Japanese packaging makes NO mention of the other languages that are actually on the disc. I'm also guess that even though it's a BD50, with all those languages on there the film is probably still sized to fit a BD25-- just a guess, mind you.

lgans316 · 07-07-2008, 08:05 AM

Thanks for the info buddy. Did you try accessing the Japanese language / subs using the Audio/Subtitles buttons on the remote control ?

Quote:

I'm also guess that even though it's a BD50, with all those languages on there the film is probably still sized to fit a BD25-- just a guess, mind you.

Your guess is wrong. How and Why ? Answer below

Night Watch - 115 mins @ 32.95 Mbps (Video Bit Rate) consumes 28.4 GB
Day Watch - 146 mins @ 29.47 Mbps (Video Bit Rate) consumes 32.26 GB

Sky_Captain · 07-07-2008, 09:25 AM

Mine is in the post. Can't wait.

Cplhicks · 07-07-2008, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lgans316

Thanks for the info buddy. Did you try accessing the Japanese language / subs using the Audio/Subtitles buttons on the remote control ?

No, you can't access them from the buttons, as I stated. That's why it seems almost like the crammed 2 versions of the disc onto 1 BR. It really is 2 completely separate "profiles" of the disc, and you can't choose languages from one profile while in the other. Very weird. And no mention of it on the box.

lgans316 · 07-07-2008, 11:40 AM

Understood. Thanks for reverting back.

lgans316 · 07-07-2008, 02:18 PM

neo_reloaded · 07-07-2008, 03:02 PM

I was all set to import these, but the lack of animated subtitles is a big disappointment. I'll wait to see if the domestic ones have those (since the region 1 Fox DVDs had them if I remember correctly), and make a decision about which release to buy then.

ryoohki · 07-07-2008, 07:13 PM

Ahh nice conventional sub, i hated the animated subs, while they where cool, i hated them..

Sky_Captain · 07-07-2008, 07:28 PM

I take it that Night Watch is the International Version? I'm not complaining if it is, I actually like the shorter version. The Feeder track that kicks off the end credits is brillant.

iownu · 07-07-2008, 09:54 PM

I'm in Japan and want to buy this 2 movie set. I have a PS3 in Japanese mode so then everything should be fine.

But I highly anyone wants to listen to Japanese audio. Even my Japanese friends prefer to watch in the native language with Japanese subs because Japanese audio ruins it.

So in this case that would be Russian audio with Japanese subs. Is this set up doable? Or what about English audio with Japanese subs?

Thanks

mhafner · 07-07-2008, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cplhicks

Spot checked Daywatch, and the picture seems pretty good (very small amount of visible grain). !

Why is a very small amount of visible grain an indication of good picture quality?

Sky_Captain · 07-07-2008, 10:44 PM

They haven't had the crap DNR'd out of them.

07-07-2008, 02:25 AM	#1
Cplhicks Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 4K collection:276 Blu-ray collection:1997 DVD collection:798 MA collection:457 Digital collection:581 iTunes collection:668 Prime collection:446 Trading Score:31	Nightwatch and Daywatch in hand (Japanese versions) I just picked these up last night-- they came out on the 4th, I believe. The two pack has a slipcase for the movies with a "3D" image (one where you change the angle and the image changes a little). The menus are all English, there is English audio and subs (as well as the original Russian, of course). Original artwork images showed DTS HD audio on these, but in fact it is Dolby Tru HD. In fact, both discs come with little "True HD" instruction book, as well as a True HD collector card for the movie. The menus are a static image, and might be the same as the UK release, as there is a fox.co.uk link on the menus, as well as Fox international. Spot checked Daywatch, and the picture seems pretty good (very small amount of visible grain). Overall seems like it'll be a pretty good set. Gotta watch them soon! Actually, after checking these, I think Fox screwed up, and these really ARE the UK versions. There are multiple European languages on there, but no Japanese audio or subtitles (as listed on the packaging. Messed up! Last edited by Cplhicks; 07-07-2008 at 02:31 AM.

07-07-2008, 03:00 AM	#3
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	More Info out here https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...7&postcount=21 Courtesy: Kannisto@HDD - http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=59843 Night Watch MPEG-4 AVC BD-50 (REGION FREE / ENGLISH MENU AVAILABLE) Running time: 1:54:21 Movie size: 37,754,382,336 bytes Disc size: 43,949,394,764 bytes Total bit rate: 44.02 Mbps Average video bit rate: 32.95 Mbps Dolby TrueHD Audio Russian 3803 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3803kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps) DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps Dolby Digital Audio French 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps Dolby Digital Audio German 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps Dolby Digital Audio English 224 kbps 2.0 / 48kHz / 224kbps Subtitles: English / Japanese / Danish / Dutch / Finnish / French / German / Norwegian / Swedish Number of chapters: 21 Day Watch MPEG-4 AVC BD-50 [REGION FREE / ENGLISH MENU AVAILABLE] Running time: 2:25:48 Movie size: 44,533,014,528 bytes Disc size: 46,537,441,336 bytes Total bit rate: 40.72 Mbps Average Video Bit Rate: 29.47 Mbps Dolby TrueHD Audio Russian 3617 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 3617kbps (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48kHz / 640kbps) DTS Audio English 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps DTS Audio French 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps DTS Audio German 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps DTS Audio Russian 768 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 24-bit / 768kbps Dolby Digital Audio Japanese 448 kbps 5.1 / 48kHz / 448kbps Subtitles: English / Japanese / Danish / Dutch / Finnish / French / German / Norwegian / Swedish Number of chapters : 41

07-07-2008, 05:30 AM	#6
Cplhicks Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 4K collection:276 Blu-ray collection:1997 DVD collection:798 MA collection:457 Digital collection:581 iTunes collection:668 Prime collection:446 Trading Score:31	Okay, I figured it out (with a little help from that other forum thread). It actually changes menus and language options based on the language selection under BD Menu language on the PS3. If you have English selected, it goes to the English menu with European languages (and locks out the Japanese choices-- you can't even switch to them via remote). If you select japanese as the language, the menu is in Japanese and only English, Russian and Japanese are selectable, Weird! Wonder if that means this disc is region free? Seems like the same disc could be used in Europe as well... Last edited by Cplhicks; 07-07-2008 at 05:37 AM.

07-07-2008, 06:17 AM	#8
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	99% of the BVHE Blu-rays released overseas feature multi-lingual menu and DTS tracks in Spanish/French. Quite surprising that FOX went multilingual with Day and Night Watch and it makes sense to me as FOX may not have the primary ownership over the contents. Sample screenshots attached for reference. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2346/...93a40b4f_b.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/...e0227b4b_b.jpg Last edited by lgans316; 07-07-2008 at 06:19 AM.

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07-07-2008, 02:56 AM	#2
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	How are the subtitles handled? Are the burned-in animated subtitles retained, or did they duplicate them in Java, or did they just go vanilla?

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07-07-2008, 05:45 AM	#7
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	You'll find there's tons of DVDs that do that as well. One of the big benefits from a production standpoint is that you don't have to create art/eat up space for every language, and just have it load assets on the fly. You can create a text file and just have it load just like a webpage would

07-07-2008, 07:26 AM	#9
Cplhicks Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 4K collection:276 Blu-ray collection:1997 DVD collection:798 MA collection:457 Digital collection:581 iTunes collection:668 Prime collection:446 Trading Score:31	The menus being different doesn't shock me too much-- it's the fact that depending on WHICH menu you get, certain language and subtitle options are LOCKED OUT. Also, you cannot access them no matter what if you are in the wrong "menu profile." If it just had an English or Japanese menu with all the options available at once, no big deal. Locking them out is weird. And mind you, you don't get to select at the beginning of booting the disc (like most BVHE discs) -- it is selected by player preset. Also the Japanese packaging makes NO mention of the other languages that are actually on the disc. I'm also guess that even though it's a BD50, with all those languages on there the film is probably still sized to fit a BD25-- just a guess, mind you.

07-07-2008, 09:25 AM	#11
Sky_Captain Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:17	Mine is in the post. Can't wait.

07-07-2008, 11:40 AM	#13
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	Understood. Thanks for reverting back.

07-07-2008, 02:18 PM	#14
lgans316 Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Location:RM16, United Kingdom Blu-ray reviews:17 Trading Score:498	http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/...dedde3a0_b.jpg Night Watch http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/...e128fbc6_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/...5864a0fd_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/...f7439fcd_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/...79a7bc8d_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/...6532a5e5_b.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2278/...e0b4bd7b_b.jpg PQ: 4~4.75 / 5 Day Watch http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/...3c17cacd_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/...3ba84e01_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/...02396468_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/...682efa98_b.jpg PQ: 4~5 / 5 [Grain haters stay away]

07-07-2008, 03:02 PM	#15
neo_reloaded Banned Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:416 Trading Score:72	I was all set to import these, but the lack of animated subtitles is a big disappointment. I'll wait to see if the domestic ones have those (since the region 1 Fox DVDs had them if I remember correctly), and make a decision about which release to buy then.

07-07-2008, 07:13 PM	#16
ryoohki Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:5	Ahh nice conventional sub, i hated the animated subs, while they where cool, i hated them..

07-07-2008, 07:28 PM	#17
Sky_Captain Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:17	I take it that Night Watch is the International Version? I'm not complaining if it is, I actually like the shorter version. The Feeder track that kicks off the end credits is brillant.

07-07-2008, 09:54 PM	#18
iownu Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Osaka	I'm in Japan and want to buy this 2 movie set. I have a PS3 in Japanese mode so then everything should be fine. But I highly anyone wants to listen to Japanese audio. Even my Japanese friends prefer to watch in the native language with Japanese subs because Japanese audio ruins it. So in this case that would be Russian audio with Japanese subs. Is this set up doable? Or what about English audio with Japanese subs? Thanks

07-07-2008, 10:44 PM	#20
Sky_Captain Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:17	They haven't had the crap DNR'd out of them.

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