Yamaha RX-V3800 Receiver Thread

[The_Snowman]

Originally Posted by JTHV

Does anyone know if I can connect my Dell XPS M170 laptop directly to my Yamaha RX-V3800 and play the music I have on my XPS's hard drive without having to turn on my TV?

Thanks, James.

.................................adding a PS3 to that equipment list? then you could stream all media thru the PS3 to the 3800

[Stephan.klose]

Originally Posted by zak88lx

I found out today that Tuesday's PS3 update will enable DTS-HD master audio output via linear PCM.

My question is:

Would a player sending bitstream DTS-HD to my Yamaha sound any better than a player that decodes DTS-HD internally (PS3) and sends it via Linear PCM?

I have considered getting a standalone player that can bitstream DTS-HD and TrueHD to my Yamaha but maybe I don't need this if decoding produces the same result.

Thanks,
Zak

A real Player would send it via Bitstream and the logos would be displayed.
like the Samsung Bd-P 1400 ($250) or the new Samsung BD-P 1500..

It is said that you even can hear a difference between pcm and bitstream

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Stephan.klose

A real Player would send it via Bitstream and the logos would be displayed.
like the Samsung Bd-P 1400 ($250) or the new Samsung BD-P 1500..

It is said that you even can hear a difference between pcm and bitstream

It may be said, but it's FUD. Lossless is lossless. Also, the PS3 is a "real" player. It decodes all of the current audio codecs. Its Profile compatible and can do BD-Live. It's among the fastest players available.

You're not going to find much traction around here with that kind of false and biased statement. Are you trying to troll by drawing out old posts and saying things like that, or are you honestly not knowledgable?

[ozzman]

I need to know if iam on the right track.When i do the frequency for each speaker,Do i put it low as its recommened for hz

For example my fronts go down to 30hz so i set the freq to 31.9hz Iam i on the right track? Can i do damage to my speakers if iam over or above the freq for my speakers?(Paranoia brain destroy ya)

Also for bass control i have 3 choices 125hz,350hz,500hz?

Treble-2,5hz,3.5hz or 8.0hz? WTF

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by ozzman

I need to know if iam on the right track.When i do the frequency for each speaker,Do i put it low as its recommened for hz

For example my fronts go down to 30hz so i set the freq to 31.9hz Iam i on the right track?

well, I personally would use the receiver speaker setup mic...but normally you would set the fronts to "small" and set a crossover around 60Hz-80Hz and let the sub handle lowest frequencies.

what speakers by the way?

also maybe give this a shot?

Calibrating Your Audio With an SPL Meter

A Guide to Subwoofers: Characteristics, Placement, Adjustments, & Manufacturers

[ozzman]

Mirage m5si 30hz
Energy rears 35hz
paradigm center 50hz
paradigm b rears 55hz

I don't like useing that mic(stomp.punch,cry) but do i really have a choice.Iam one of those guy that like to figure it out myself ,but maybe i might have to let go and let mic do its job.

Iam setting my fronts to large for alittle while

[crackinhedz]

the best setting is the one you are "happy" with, so try any and everything.

good luck with it.

[ozzman]

The answer that i didn't want to hear ,But knew it was coming "If you happy and you know it blow a speaker"

I hate you

Thanks brother,Oh by the way what do you think of my picture.Got my son to do it.

OZZY! OZZY! OZZY!

[red_5ive]

Do what Crack said and use the auto eq and mic that comes with the 3800. A parametric EQ in a AVR is primarily used for frequency correction and/or speaker timbre matching and not for matching the frequency response of your speakers.

[ozzman]

I put my ego aside and broke down and used the mic.

It recorded my sub 27 feet.So i fixed that and it put all my speakers to large except the b surrounds so i fixed that as well manually.But all in all it did a good job.i had to change a couple things but it was painless.

i watch a movie on blu with one of my boys and i was happy with the out come.

thanks boys

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by ozzman

I put my ego aside and broke down and used the mic.

It recorded my sub 27 feet.So i fixed that and it put all my speakers to large except the b surrounds so i fixed that as well manually.But all in all it did a good job.i had to change a couple things but it was painless.

i watch a movie on blu with one of my boys and i was happy with the out come.

thanks boys

If you like the Large setting make sure you also have the LFE out set to "Both" (meaning sending low frequency to both the main speakers and your subwoofer). Otherwise you'll get no bass out of your sub.

[ozzman]

Thanks
.Iam leaving it to large for a little while just to see if thats the way i want to go. I already set it to Front +sub. But i did that half way through a movie.I started shaking my head think whats wrong with my sub.Then my one brain cell stepped in

Red 5ive,
How was your experince with the mic(I noticed you have a Yammy 1800)Did you have to go in after and make a couple changes.And if you did could you tell me what you changed (Iam interested.)

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by ozzman

Thanks
.Iam leaving it to large for a little while just to see if thats the way i want to go. I already set it to Front +sub. But i did that half way through a movie.I started shaking my head think whats wrong with my sub.Then my one brain cell stepped in

Red 5ive,
How was your experince with the mic(I noticed you have a Yammy 1800)Did you have to go in after and make a couple changes.And if you did could you tell me what you changed (Iam interested.)

I did initially use the auto eq, but I wasn't at least 85% happy with it so I broke out the SPL meter and re-calibrated everything. The settings below are still the same, but the difference is the volume levels are now based on SPL readings, and I have it set to "no eq" which defeats all the parametric eq adjustments that the auto eq adds which just didn't fly with me since I'm using external amplification. I found the auto eq added anywhere from +1 to +4 db gain in the mid-high & higher frequencies which is a complete no-no with me for music, and it even made movie soundtracks sound a little harsh.

When I used the mic setup I took 5 or so consecutive readings just to make sure it was consistent (which they were, and yes, I am anal). The results were similar to yours. My sub clocked in at a whopping 28 ft. I left it there for a while figuring the auto eq measured that for room correction, but it just didn't sound right so I changed it to 14.5 ft where it should be and I was MUCH happier. All my speakers were also detected as large, but only my mains are full range towers so I set the crossover for the center and rears to 90Hz (by preference). All other speaker distances were measured correctly, but the surrounds also didn't sound quite right. I found that adding .5" to the surround distance nailed the rear sound field right on the money. I've also had to do this with my prior RX-Z1, Onkyo 805, and an older prepro, and also even after adding 2 external amplifiers so this likely my HT room that's impacting this setting.

I use all 4 memory settings for the remote (programmed into my uni remote) as follows:

Bank 1: Full range 2CH only to main speakers (no sub) for music.
Bank 2: HDMI audio passthrough for TV volume only (aka wife setting)
Bank 3: HT setting #1: Full range to mains, 90hz crossed for center & surrounds, LFE to mains & sub
Bank 4: HT setting #2: same as Bank 3 but Dynamic Range Control enabled for ALL codecs for nighttime movie watching

[ozzman]

Red 5ive

Thanks brother for taking the time and putting that out.

I found this a little weird


Fronts (both) +7
Center +3
L REAR +4
R REAR +2
B S +2
SW -10( 27 feet )

,I had my center at -3db and my fronts to +3db.The jump to +7 kind of freaked me out.
Before the mic i also had my B surr and Rears set below +0 levels, but when i think about it .Its kind of still the same setting i had.

Just now i have to be a little more careful of the volume.
I retested it 3 times to make sure that ,Thats really what the reciever wanted to do for may levels.

I can except the changes But as you already know ,There was no way in hell i was going to except that subwoofer reading

It was like my reciever was saying "you know Ozzman, You really don't want your sub and if you do i'll make sure you don't Hear it"

Oh yeah it put my crossover to 90 hz (Ok ,Whatever Buddy ?) Back to 60hz you go.
I guess it did that because like i sayed it made all my speakers large except the back surrounds,So the roll off was for them?

[red_5ive]

The strange volume differences are related to the adjustments to the parametric eq, which is another reason why I ended up using my spl meter.

In that scenario, yes the crossover at 90hz would be for the rear channels since all the others were set to large. But one thing I don't care for in the Yamaha is that you're stuck with a single crossover setting for all channels. The Onkyo 805/875/905 for instance have separate crossover settings for the mains, center, and surrounds (not sure if that's also true of the other Onkyo models). The THX 80Hz standard across the board of course is the simple answer, but I'd prefer to have the flexibility.

[ozzman]

you know i don't have a SLP meter,To tell you the truth i don't know the first thing about them

I can pick them up here in Canada for about $40 bucks at radio shack.That just might be a small investment that i might make in the near future

I will tell you after the small adjustments that i made in the reciever it really sounds good.

I guess when useing the mic it's a combination of trusting it to a certain point and then going back in and knowing what you want.

Iam with a cable company down here called COGECO.When you get into the 300 channels(Just pass the HD channels) there's digital music,Rock, Jazz, Dance and so on.

Last night i lit some candle's,shut off all the lights and listened to this digital music channel called Ambient.Very soft,light music. Lots of highs and lows with trippy b surround and rear sounds.I must of sat there for aleast 2 hours.
It did sound Awesome

It sounded so good i think iam going to to it again tonight.No kids no wife just me,God and the system.Sounds like a good date

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by ozzman

I guess when useing the mic it's a combination of trusting it to a certain point and then going back in and knowing what you want.

This is definitely my experience with it on the Yamaha and also with the Audyssey used by Onkyo and other brands (I prefer the Audyssey), and if you have it tweaked enough to how you like it then you're good. Otherwise if you decide to pick up an SPL, follow the links that crackinhedz provided in his post above.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

well, I personally would use the receiver speaker setup mic...but normally you would set the fronts to "small" and set a crossover around 60Hz-80Hz and let the sub handle lowest frequencies.

what speakers by the way?

also maybe give this a shot?

Calibrating Your Audio With an SPL Meter

A Guide to Subwoofers: Characteristics, Placement, Adjustments, & Manufacturers

Crackin' his mains are Mirage M-5si's - very classic vintage Bipole speaker - once the main competition for Def Tech (or should I say it was the other way around). His mains have useable bass response down to 29hz (subwooferish) He should set them to Large he should have no fear of blowing these babies. Most people nowadays use bookshelves or speakers that don't go as low as his It's a rarity but its out there.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by ozzman

I need to know if iam on the right track.When i do the frequency for each speaker,Do i put it low as its recommened for hz

For example my fronts go down to 30hz so i set the freq to 31.9hz Iam i on the right track? Can i do damage to my speakers if iam over or above the freq for my speakers?(Paranoia brain destroy ya)

Also for bass control i have 3 choices 125hz,350hz,500hz?

Treble-2,5hz,3.5hz or 8.0hz? WTF

Get in contact with this guy, I'm not sure if he sold it or not, but about a month ago he had a MCsi Center channel for $100.00. Heres a link to his blog http://cloudykid.blogspot.com/
His name is Scott A. McCloud - check and see if he still has it!

[prerich]

Originally Posted by ozzman

I need to know if iam on the right track.When i do the frequency for each speaker,Do i put it low as its recommened for hz

For example my fronts go down to 30hz so i set the freq to 31.9hz Iam i on the right track? Can i do damage to my speakers if iam over or above the freq for my speakers?(Paranoia brain destroy ya)

Also for bass control i have 3 choices 125hz,350hz,500hz?

Treble-2,5hz,3.5hz or 8.0hz? WTF

With a parametric EQ you are affecting the Bandwidth of range of frequencies not just one frequency. Each one of those frequencies represents the bandwidth of a set of freqs. They are not crossover points (I remember this from my days with the Yamaha C-80 preamp) The treble would affect those ranges and the bass those ranges. Its different from crossover points. Here's something that might help you to understand it http://www.astralsound.com/parametric_eq.htm