Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I haven't timed it but I think the amount of time between Padme giving birth and dying of a broken heart took about 30 seconds. She names them, tells Obi Wan that there is still good in Anakin and then kills over.

Their mother abandons them and their father is a mass murderer, Episode 7 should be about Luke and Leia both having a psychotic break and trying to wipe out the galaxy.

Words of wisdom Lloyd, words of wisdom.....

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

If you have midi-chlorines in your blood, the evil brain cells are erased quicker than non-jedis, which is why jedis dont need therapy. If you are a sith though, the evil brain cells erase all good thoughts. Anakin was just a special case whoch is why he always went back and forth. Luke and Leih have jedi blood only - they dont need therapy.

that insight must be in the EU?

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

You forgetting Luke's grandfather/Anakin's father is the ultimate villain, and tells his son to kill his grandson, and vice versa.




I certainly would! The prequels are fantastic.

ROTS is many people's favourite SW film.
It's the magnum opus of space opera.

it's not even the best Prequel episode...hard to be the magum opus anything. Unless by that you mean:
1. Lousy Acting
2. Unrealistic stupid lightsabre fight scenes that look like something out of crouching Tiger/Kung Fu Hustle.
3. One of the worst love stories of all time making the 1982's the Pirate Movie look like a instant romance classic.(which is a guilty pleasure of mine)
3. Hero's on both sides ??
4. and on and on and on and on......

so it may be yours and some others favorite episode of the bunch but is in no way shape or form a "magnum opus" of any kind.


Not sure on how good this new story will be but I hope for the love of all that is sacred in this world they go back to "old" school and have more realistic light saber fights like in ESB and get away from all this CGI BS......get back to model/blue screen (yes I know green) screen type work. Would love for them to ace those garbage films and reshoot them to bring them more in line with the what is considered by most to be the real Star Wars films pre 1997 butchered crap.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Elvis

it's not even the best Prequel episode...hard to be the magum opus anything. Unless by that you mean:
1. Lousy Acting
2. Unrealistic stupid lightsabre fight scenes that look like something out of crouching Tiger/Kung Fu Hustle.
3. One of the worst love stories of all time making the 1982's the Pirate Movie look like a instant romance classic.(which is a guilty pleasure of mine)
3. Hero's on both sides ??
4. and on and on and on and on......

so it may be yours and some others favorite episode of the bunch but is in no way shape or form a "magnum opus" of any kind.


Not sure on how good this new story will be but I hope for the love of all that is sacred in this world they go back to "old" school and have more realistic light saber fights like in ESB and get away from all this CGI BS......get back to model/blue screen (yes I know green) screen type work. Would love for them to ace those garbage films and reshoot them to bring them more in line with the what is considered by most to be the real Star Wars films pre 1997 butchered crap.

what? you mean spinning lightsabers around like they're batons isn't realistic sword fighting?!!!!! (being trained in blade fighting myself the saber battles in 2 and 3 made me wince)

[Geoff D]

Since when are colourful laser swords supposed be realistic? What I love about the two sets of the films is the contrast in that regard. The originals have that stilted but classical style (though Luke can't resist a backflip or two, I'm sure you must've trained to do that as well wormraper ) and the prequels go balls-out with that wonderful balletic grace.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Since when are colourful laser swords supposed be realistic? What I love about the two sets of the films is the contrast in that regard. The originals have that stilted but classical style (though Luke can't resist a backflip or two, I'm sure you must've trained to do that as well wormraper ) and the prequels go balls-out with that wonderful balletic grace.

lol, of course. what swordsman isn't trained to do backflips with a sharp pointy thing in your hand


I'm not saying the ballet properties are bad. It's just as a person who knows how a thing or two about blades almost none of the strikes were meant to actually HIT the damn person. they were designed basically as a sword demo and would rather have them get back to AT LEAST looking like they're trying to hit the person instead of just trying to intersect the other blade several feet in FRONT of the person. I'm not trying to pump them up more than they are, but there's some INCREDIBLE fan films on youtube that show what could be done with the lightsaber battles to at least make it LOOK like they're trying to attack the person instead of looking like they're TRYING to hit the tip of the other person's blade

[Geoff D]

Yeah, but only sword nerds care about that shit.

[wormraper]

[TylerDurden]

The greatest saber battle put to screen so far was duel of the fates, Jedi vs Sith as in Darth Maul.

[djakrse]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

The greatest saber battle put to screen so far was duel of the fates, Jedi vs Sith as in Darth Maul.

This was made much more impressive with the help of Duel of Fates playing.

I also like the encounter of Anakin and Obi Wan against Dooku, short as it was, followed by their rescue by Yoda. These were much more emotionally impactful. The sight of Yoda displaying his sword skills was an awesome sight. Just seeing him drop his cane and cloak, and using the force to draw his weapon made the entire audience squeel with glee.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by djakrse

This was made much more impressive with the help of Duel of Fates playing.

I also like the encounter of Anakin and Obi Wan against Dooku, short as it was, followed by their rescue by Yoda. These were much more emotionally impactful. The sight of Yoda displaying his sword skills was an awesome sight. Just seeing him drop his cane and cloak, and using the force to draw his weapon made the entire audience squeel with glee.

which pretty much back pedaled all known history at this point. a lightsaber is a toy in the hands of the masters. Knights used them well, but a master should have so much force power that a weapon was laughable. he should have been able to literally rend a star destroyer into pieces just with the force alone.. (another reason the EU at is best is better than all the prequels put together)

[djakrse]

Originally Posted by wormraper

which pretty much back pedaled all known history at this point.

How do you mean?

a lightsaber is a toy in the hands of the masters. Knights used them well, but a master should have so much force power that a weapon was laughable. he should have been able to literally rend a star destroyer into pieces just with the force alone.. (another reason the EU at is best is better than all the prequels put together)

Says you. Dooku himself says they cannot settle their mastery of the force with a lightsaber and commences with attacks of force lightning. A master of the force by your definition doesn't exist in canon. Though we're likely going to see something entirely different in ep7.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by djakrse

How do you mean?


Says you. Dooku himself says they cannot settle their mastery of the force with a lightsaber and commences with attacks of force lightning. A master of the force by your definition doesn't exist in canon. Though we're likely going to see something entirely different in ep7.

exactly.. once the prequels came in he pretty much retconned stuff from the original movies + the other "canon" behind the scenes books etc as well as the EU (which in my opinion is where Star Wars got REALLY good)..... the prequel series has become LITERALLY as abhorrent to me as Reality TV shows like "Jersey Shore" is. I'm actually not talking hyperbole. I have a VERY difficult time even sitting through eps 1 and 2 anymore without getting so revolted that I have to take 2 or 3 breaks (tried last year, had to just give up part way through episode 2 and walk away)....

Lucas took what he built in the first 3 movies and turned the Jedi into impotent morons

[djakrse]

Originally Posted by wormraper

exactly.. once the prequels came in he pretty much retconned stuff from the original movies + the other "canon" behind the scenes books etc as well as the EU (which in my opinion is where Star Wars got REALLY good)..... the prequel series has become LITERALLY as abhorrent to me as Reality TV shows like "Jersey Shore" is. I'm actually not talking hyperbole. I have a VERY difficult time even sitting through eps 1 and 2 anymore without getting so revolted that I have to take 2 or 3 breaks (tried last year, had to just give up part way through episode 2 and walk away)....

Lucas took what he built in the first 3 movies and turned the Jedi into impotent morons

Okay well the EU was never part of the cinematic universe, so you can't really compare the prequels to EU and say Lucas erased history. He didn't take anything away from the Jedi, rather we got to see their diversity, some new force powers, and some incredibly powerful Jedi masters.

I don't blame anyone for hating the idea of removing all EU from canon, cause there was a lot of great stuff there. Lucas didn't want to tell the sequel trilogy's part of the saga, so it was really only for this reason, I imagine, that he allowed other material to be created and accepted as part of canon. Of course authors are going to tell some great stories to fill the void. Some of these stories no doubt displayed more impressive or effective combinations of force powers. It's a shame you can't stand the prequels for those reasons, though.

Edit: obviously the prequels were accepting of a lot of the books' characters and some ideas of how the force could be used. Maybe some of that will happen again.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by djakrse

Okay well the EU was never part of the cinematic universe, so you can't really compare the prequels to EU and say Lucas erased history. He didn't take anything away from the Jedi, rather we got to see their diversity, some new force powers, and some incredibly powerful Jedi masters.

I don't blame anyone for hating the idea of removing all EU from canon, cause there was a lot of great stuff there. Lucas didn't want to tell the sequel trilogy's part of the saga, so it was really only for this reason, I imagine, that he allowed other material to be created and accepted as part of canon. Of course authors are going to tell some great stories to fill the void. Some of these stories no doubt displayed more impressive or effective combinations of force powers. It's a shame you can't stand the prequels for those reasons, though.

Edit: obviously the prequels were accepting of a lot of the books' characters and some ideas of how the force could be used. Maybe some of that will happen again.

I can't stand the prequels because they're written and directed so badly they make even the OT movies look like citizen Kane.

on the EU being COMPLETELY removed, yeah he kept some good stuff. The Dathomirian Night sisters and Night Brothers (Maul) were taken from the EU.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I can't stand the prequels because they're written and directed so badly they make even the OT movies look like citizen Kane.

Word to that

[TylerDurden]

While some may hate the prequels and they do have their faults I still enjoy E3. Not for it's special effects of lightsaber duels, but for the politics and power play of the parties involved in the Republic. Reminds me alot of our current democracy and it's struggles against absolute power.

[stvn1974]

In the scene where Anakin finds Shmi in the Tusken Raider's hut always makes me laugh. What should have happened is Shmi looks into Anakin's eyes and says "you little bastard, it has been 10 years and you just now come back to free me" and then she spits in his face. Then dies.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by wormraper

which pretty much back pedaled all known history at this point. a lightsaber is a toy in the hands of the masters. Knights used them well, but a master should have so much force power that a weapon was laughable. he should have been able to literally rend a star destroyer into pieces just with the force alone.. (another reason the EU at is best is better than all the prequels put together)

Yes, but what if your opponent isn't an inanimate Star Destroyer but a man with a similar level of Force-related skill? As was shown several times in the prequels, Yoda easily repelled Dooku's Force attacks (even Obi-Wan made short work of his Force lightning) and he just about drew level with Sidious in the Senate battle which is why they resort to physical combat, the whole point is to get close enough to actually kill the other mother****er. Hell, why didn't Vader just choke Luke out in the carbon freeze chamber instead of bothering with all that messy lightsaber combat? See, I can play 'Let's make this scene pointless if we follow pure logic' too!

Speaking of the fight in the Senate, as it gets destroyed it represents a wonderful visual metaphor for what Palps had done as he'd literally dismantled democracy, which ties in with TylerDurden said upthread about the political intrigue FINALLY paying off in Sith.

As for Luke's supposed powers in Awakens undoing what's gone before I don't buy that for a second. Reason being, the Jedi didn't let their power go unchecked, that's why they became so rigid and dogmatic over the centuries, and the Sith kept killing each other off/fighting the Jedi anyway so they never had the time to get that powerful.

Luke's so powerful precisely because the two opposing factions that kept each other in check for millennia were destroyed (largely by Anakin's own hand, thereby fulfilling the prophecy about him bringing balance). There's been no Sith wars to distract Luke and no Jedi Order to tell him what to do, ergo his powers have grown exponentially to the point of being dangerous, even God-like, as he grapples with what it means to even be 'good' or 'evil' because when you've got that much power those terms become irrelevant. It's a great angle to explore IMO. Palpatine gloated about "UNLIMITED POWAAAAAA!!!!" when he was zapping Mace Windu, but it seems like even he'd barely scratched the surface.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

While some may hate the prequels and they do have their faults I still enjoy E3. Not for it's special effects of lightsaber duels, but for the politics and power play of the parties involved in the Republic. Reminds me alot of our current democracy and it's struggles against absolute power.