Jack Tretton says BC is out! - Blu-ray Forum

AliceT · 07-16-2008, 08:28 PM

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On backwards compatibility: Jack explained that Sony looked at how to "not take a greater hit on production cost, without losing PlayStation's heritage ... Hardware / software for backwards compat wasn't all that expensive. ... but we're selling PS2 software to PS2 customers, and selling PS3 software to PS3 consumers." Still, Jack seems to feel like it may have been the wrong move. "I would like to have had it in there, but Sony's collective strategy determined we could afford to lose it. We've now gone down that road, and we're not going back."

link http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/16/s...retton-dishes/

Proteus · 07-16-2008, 08:44 PM

"Stupid is what Stupid does..." - Forrest Gump?

Elandyll · 07-16-2008, 09:11 PM

You guys have to start knowing how to translate corporate talk

Here it goes:

On backwards compatibility: Jack explained that Sony looked at how to "to maximize profit like every other company out there, without losing our Customers ... We totally have a software based solution available now. ... but we're selling PS2 software to PS2 customers for as long as they'll be paying for it, and selling PS3 software to PS3 consumers as we have to show good sales on PS3 games to strengthen our numbers." Still, Jack seems to feel like it may have been the wrong move. "I would like to have had it in there if it had been proven that it was a selling point, but Sony's collective strategy determined we could afford to lose it because people weren't really willing to pay an additional $100 for it. We've now gone down that road but might come back to it if it proved valuable to retain/increase our customer base, and we're not going back until then as long as it'll be more profitable to not go there."

Never say never in Business

The moment their analysts say that they can do a $299/$249 PS3 and that MS does a $199 360 at which point a ton of PS2 owners will be ready to jump to the next gen consoles, amazingly enough, BC will reappear to retain the user base.

Mark my words

AranhaHunter · 07-16-2008, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elandyll

You guys have to start knowing how to translate corporate talk

Here it goes:

On backwards compatibility: Jack explained that Sony looked at how to "to maximize profit like every other company out there, without losing our Customers ... We totally have a software based solution available now. ... but we're selling PS2 software to PS2 customers for as long as they'll be paying for it, and selling PS3 software to PS3 consumers as we have to show good sales on PS3 games to strengthen our numbers." Still, Jack seems to feel like it may have been the wrong move. "I would like to have had it in there if it had been proven that it was a selling point, but Sony's collective strategy determined we could afford to lose it because people weren't really willing to pay an additional $100 for it. We've now gone down that road but might come back to it if it proved valuable to retain/increase our customer base, and we're not going back until then as long as it'll be more profitable to not go there."

Never say never in Business

The moment their analysts say that they can do a $299/$249 PS3 and that MS does a $199 360 at which point a ton of PS2 owners will be ready to jump to the next gen consoles, amazingly enough, BC will reappear to retain the user base.

Mark my words

You sir, win the internetz. If PCSX2 can do PS2 Software Emulation with no documentation and limited back end know how, I really think Sony would be ok doing it.

Idealsupra · 07-16-2008, 09:40 PM

Who cares about BC IMO. I didnt buy a next gen system to play previous gen games. If you want to play a PS2 game or two THAT bad then just go buy a slim PS2 for like $50 and be done with it.

Chocolatejas · 07-16-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Idealsupra

Who cares about BC IMO. I didnt buy a next gen system to play previous gen games. If you want to play a PS2 game or two THAT bad then just go buy a slim PS2 for like $50 and be done with it.

Yes. They need to move on with the PS3. Not last gen. games.

Idealsupra · 07-16-2008, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocolatejas

Yes. They need to move on with the PS3. Not last gen. games.

Exactly....personally I was shocked when they announced 139 NEW games coming out for the freaking PS2 in the next year. Thats just dumb.

Its also a BIG reason why the 360 has better sales numbers. Think about it. How many NEW Xbox games come out? I think its ZERO. M$ doesnt support the previous gen any longer and doesnt sell it any longer. People who want new games HAD to buy the 360. With the PS2/PS3 Sony is still highly supporting the PS2 and because of that people with PS2s are gladly waiting it out for either a HUGE price drop (dont know how much more they expect the PS3 to drop honestly) or just not at all because as long as the PS2 is getting new games they dont feel the need to purchase a PS3.

X400 · 07-16-2008, 09:50 PM

sooooo my 60gigs are worth more

X400 · 07-16-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Idealsupra

Exactly....personally I was shocked when they announced 139 NEW games coming out for the freaking PS2 in the next year. Thats just dumb.

Its also a BIG reason why the 360 has better sales numbers. Think about it. How many NEW Xbox games come out? I think its ZERO. M$ doesnt support the previous gen any longer and doesnt sell it any longer. People who want new games HAD to buy the 360. With the PS2/PS3 Sony is still highly supporting the PS2 and because of that people with PS2s are gladly waiting it out for either a HUGE price drop (dont know how much more they expect the PS3 to drop honestly) or just not at all because as long as the PS2 is getting new games they dont feel the need to purchase a PS3.

sony says they're supporting their systems for 10yrs no? so that means a year+ longer of support

Aaron · 07-16-2008, 09:52 PM

Can a 40GB PS3 play PS Store PS1 downloads?

Nerdkiller likes BD · 07-16-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Can a 40GB PS3 play PS Store PS1 downloads?

Yup. The 40 gig can't play PS2 games but it can do PS one.

Blu Titan · 07-16-2008, 09:55 PM

BC has been an important issue for some people, but those that are really interested will buy a system that offers the option.

Elandyll · 07-16-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Can a 40GB PS3 play PS Store PS1 downloads?

Yes

I need my fix of WipEout PSone once in a while, waiting for WipEout HD

jkwest · 07-16-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Can a 40GB PS3 play PS Store PS1 downloads?

All PS1 games are supported on all PS3's....its the PS2 games that aren't.

JasonS · 07-16-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Can a 40GB PS3 play PS Store PS1 downloads?

Yes. All PS3's can.

Icemage · 07-16-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu Titan

BC has been an important issue for some people, but those that are really interested will buy a system that offers the option.

...except that once these new units go into production and all the existing 80GBs are gone, there won't be another option except on the after-market.

EDIT: Before I get flamed, I'll repeat again my assertion that BC will magically reappear via firmware update at some point in the future. Probably shortly after the last of the old style 80GB units are flushed out of the retail channel.

It's the only thing that makes sense. Sony KNOWS they have a 100M+ user base to draw from, they're not going to throw that advantage away. Not when they're still in a fight to the death with the Xbox 360, and so far behind the Wii that they can't even see the dust trails.

But until that firmware appears, they will deny to their last breath that they have the ability to do so, because they don't want to make the older units expensively obsolete,

Aaron · 07-16-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonS

Yes. All PS3's can.

Hmm. Would a PS2 emulator work on a PS3 with Linux?

Aaron · 07-16-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

Yup. The 40 gig can't play PS2 games but it can do PS one.

PS1 discs?

Maximus · 07-16-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

Hmm. Would a PS2 emulator work on a PS3 with Linux?

No. No access to RSX.

PS2 emulator would be extremely difficult to achieve on the PS3. The PS3 just doesn't have it in the right areas. The GS (PS2 GPU) had the weirdest architecture and the only way to get PS2 games onto non b/c PS3s would be to re-engineer them to use lower fill-rates.

Nerdkiller likes BD · 07-16-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron

PS1 discs?

Yup. And the downloads.

07-16-2008, 08:28 PM	#1
AliceT Banned Member since:Mar 2008 Location:PSN ID- damreg1022	Jack Tretton says BC is out! PS3 On backwards compatibility: Jack explained that Sony looked at how to "not take a greater hit on production cost, without losing PlayStation's heritage ... Hardware / software for backwards compat wasn't all that expensive. ... but we're selling PS2 software to PS2 customers, and selling PS3 software to PS3 consumers." Still, Jack seems to feel like it may have been the wrong move. "I would like to have had it in there, but Sony's collective strategy determined we could afford to lose it. We've now gone down that road, and we're not going back." link http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/16/s...retton-dishes/ Last edited by AliceT; 07-16-2008 at 08:45 PM.

07-16-2008, 09:11 PM	#3
Elandyll Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2007 Location:MD Blu-ray collection:188 Trading Score:1	You guys have to start knowing how to translate corporate talk Here it goes: On backwards compatibility: Jack explained that Sony looked at how to "to maximize profit like every other company out there, without losing our Customers ... We totally have a software based solution available now. ... but we're selling PS2 software to PS2 customers for as long as they'll be paying for it, and selling PS3 software to PS3 consumers as we have to show good sales on PS3 games to strengthen our numbers." Still, Jack seems to feel like it may have been the wrong move. "I would like to have had it in there if it had been proven that it was a selling point, but Sony's collective strategy determined we could afford to lose it because people weren't really willing to pay an additional $100 for it. We've now gone down that road but might come back to it if it proved valuable to retain/increase our customer base, and we're not going back until then as long as it'll be more profitable to not go there." Never say never in Business The moment their analysts say that they can do a $299/$249 PS3 and that MS does a $199 360 at which point a ton of PS2 owners will be ready to jump to the next gen consoles, amazingly enough, BC will reappear to retain the user base. Mark my words Last edited by Elandyll; 07-16-2008 at 09:14 PM.

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07-16-2008, 08:44 PM	#2
Proteus Power Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:SoCal PSN:CaptBurn	"Stupid is what Stupid does..." - Forrest Gump?

07-16-2008, 09:40 PM	#5
Idealsupra Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:30	Who cares about BC IMO. I didnt buy a next gen system to play previous gen games. If you want to play a PS2 game or two THAT bad then just go buy a slim PS2 for like $50 and be done with it.

07-16-2008, 09:50 PM	#8
X400 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Kent Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews:41 Trading Score:23	sooooo my 60gigs are worth more

07-16-2008, 09:52 PM	#10
Aaron Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Oklahoma City Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:33 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:4	Can a 40GB PS3 play PS Store PS1 downloads?

07-16-2008, 09:55 PM	#12
Blu Titan Super Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Edo, Land of the Samurai Home Theater Gallery:42 4K collection:41 Blu-ray collection:2864 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:92	BC has been an important issue for some people, but those that are really interested will buy a system that offers the option.

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