Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Al_The_Strange]

I wouldn't understimate the audience's apathy. It seems like everybody I know couldn't care less about TFA, citing their disappointment in the PT (and it makes me sad ).

The movie will undoubtedly make money, but given the SW fatigue everybody feels now, I have to agree that it'll be TDK levels, not Titanic levels. Word of mouth might push it over the top, but only if the film is actually good, and if people can get over the Lucas/Abrams hate.

[Kryptonic]

Because the Prequels were a huge disappointment. I mean, they only made about $2.5 billion without the heightened 3D and IMAX ticket prices of the last ten years. And The Clone Wars didn't create an new legion of younger fans or anything. Yeah, that's a lot of apathy. Seriously, go outside. The real world is different than the fanboy online culture.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Because the Prequels were a huge disappointment. I mean, they only made about $2.5 billion without the heightened 3D and IMAX ticket prices of the last ten years. And The Clone Wars didn't create an new legion of younger fans or anything. Yeah, that's a lot of apathy. Seriously, go outside. The real world is different than the fanboy online culture.

I am outside, and that's what people keep telling me in person, "I don't care about the new Star Wars."

Yes, the PT made loads of money, but that doesn't mean they were critical successes. Why do people want to get all hyped up again for something they fear will be just as flawed and cheesy as the last round of movies?

Past box office performance of the PT owes everything to the extremely high expectations that were generated back in that timeframe. Now, the expectations are significantly lower, precisely because the hype of the PT was set too high and people walked away disappointed (and yes, they are disapponted, otherwise the fanbase wouldn't be as ravenous as it is now). Chances are that the low expectations will work on the new films' favor, with audiences walking away feeling more satisfied, but my ultimate point is that audience expectation and critical success will tie into performance. It looks to me that expectations are currently low, so the box office performance will be low. If the movie is well-received, expectations and performance will undoubtedly be higher for Ep. VIII.

[camper]

Originally Posted by Elvis

And how is he not going to end my cutting his own arm off or more likley stabbing himself in the chest when he brings his blade up to fight? Thats the biggest question of all..

however I will admit that it looks cool though...

Outside of message boards I don't know anyone who isn't excited about star wars, unless they never cared about star wars movies in the first place.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I am outside, and that's what people keep telling me in person, "I don't care about the new Star Wars."

Yes, the PT made loads of money, but that doesn't mean they were critical successes. Why do people want to get all hyped up again for something they fear will be just as flawed and cheesy as the last round of movies?

Past box office performance of the PT owes everything to the extremely high expectations that were generated back in that timeframe. Now, the expectations are significantly lower, precisely because the hype of the PT was set too high and people walked away disappointed (and yes, they are disapponted, otherwise the fanbase wouldn't be as ravenous as it is now). Chances are that the low expectations will work on the new films' favor, with audiences walking away feeling more satisfied, but my ultimate point is that audience expectation and critical success will tie into performance. Ilooks to me that expectations are currently low, so the box office performance will be low. If the movie is well-received, expectations and performance will undoubtedly be higher for Ep. VIII.

Al may you be forewarned...you are heading down a dark deep black hole chasing that Rabbit. Belive me....it's a trap.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Al may you be forewarned...you are heading down a dark deep black hole chasing that Rabbit. Belive me....it's a trap.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Al may you be forewarned...you are heading down a dark deep black hole chasing that Rabbit. Belive me....it's a trap.

Originally Posted by wormraper

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by tigertron

Because it made more sense for Disney to move one of their biggest blockbusters to the end of the year to allow for more profits. No sense to launch two titans in the same month. It was nothing about being scared as Disney owns both.

Owning both franchises doesn't eliminate their fear of losing money. They'll make tons more by releasing each one at a different high-profile time, where placing them close together could cancel each out.

I may get booed and hissed, but I would have preferred the Avengers 2 to be moved to December.

I wouldn't be surprised if, in the end, the deciding factor was about which movie being closer to completion. Generally speaking, studios don't like having a finished product doing no business for very long; it hurts their reputation.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I am outside, and that's what people keep telling me in person, "I don't care about the new Star Wars."

Yes, the PT made loads of money, but that doesn't mean they were critical successes. Why do people want to get all hyped up again for something they fear will be just as flawed and cheesy as the last round of movies?

All of them were fresh at the time of release and scored high with general audiences. I'm guessing the people you hang out with in the real world are the type of people who also post on forums and have a skewed perspective of the world due to this.

Past box office performance of the PT owes everything to the extremely high expectations that were generated back in that timeframe. Now, the expectations are significantly lower, precisely because the hype of the PT was set too high and people walked away disappointed (and yes, they are disapponted, otherwise the fanbase wouldn't be as ravenous as it is now). Chances are that the low expectations will work on the new films' favor, with audiences walking away feeling more satisfied, but my ultimate point is that audience expectation and critical success will tie into performance. It looks to me that expectations are currently low, so the box office performance will be low. If the movie is well-received, expectations and performance will undoubtedly be higher for Ep. VIII.

You're generalizing the entire fanbase based on a small minority that yell instead of speaking rationally at the countering viewpoint. That doesn't make them the majority of right, it just means they're loud and obnoxious.

Simple fact is that the PT followed the same pattern as the OT. The first movie is a huge smash, the second sees a significant drop off and the third grosses somewhere in between. I guess Empire is considered a disappointment since it made $100M less than Star Wars. I guess it was all doom and gloom with your type of fan at that point as well. The PT made a ton of money, sold a lot of tickets, created an entirely new generation of fans along with The Clone Wars, and brought Star Wars back into the public conscientious. None of this has jack shit to do with your opinion of the movies, which I don't care about. Just get your facts straight.

[stvn1974]

I predict Star Wars The Force Awaken makes $1.56 at the box office. One dollar and fifty six cents that is.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

All of them were fresh at the time of release and scored high with general audiences. I'm guessing the people you hang out with in the real world are the type of people who also post on forums and have a skewed perspective of the world due to this.

You're generalizing the entire fanbase based on a small minority that yell instead of speaking rationally at the countering viewpoint. That doesn't make them the majority of right, it just means they're loud and obnoxious.

Simple fact is that the PT followed the same pattern as the OT. The first movie is a huge smash, the second sees a significant drop off and the third grosses somewhere in between. I guess Empire is considered a disappointment since it made $100M less than Star Wars. I guess it was all doom and gloom with your type of fan at that point as well. The PT made a ton of money, sold a lot of tickets, created an entirely new generation of fans along with The Clone Wars, and brought Star Wars back into the public conscientious. None of this has jack shit to do with your opinion of the movies, which I don't care about. Just get your facts straight.

This has all come about because you've made the assertion that the PT was a commercial success. Nobody is arguing that. But commercial success does not equate to critical success. It is not just limited to me or people I know: there are critics and film fans all over the world who have expressed their criticisms for all six films, on-line and off-line. The overall average ratings and consensus are consistently lower for the PT and the OT, even though the PT's scores got better and better as it went on. When you follow up a well-loved trilogy with a less-than-well-loved trilogy, expectations for the next round of films is naturally going to be lower.

That is my observation - having nothing to do with personal opinion, because I think all the movies totally rock - and I do realistically believe that the box office return for TFA will be grand but not above-and-beyond the records established previously by Titanic, Avatar, Avengers, etc.

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I predict Star Wars The Force Awaken makes $1.56 at the box office. One dollar and fifty six cents that is.

They must have spent a fortune on the movie then.

[stvn1974]

Didn't Clones and Sith make less than the Phantom Menace? And didn't the 3D release of The Phantom Menace do less than other films that were later re-released in 3D?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Didn't Clones and Sith make less than the Phantom Menace? And didn't the 3D release of The Phantom Menace do less than other films that were later re-released in 3D?

Empire and Jedi made less than Star Wars. Empire Strikes back only made 2/3 what Star Wars made.

The 3D release of TPM was about average with other 3D re-releases like Jurassic Park and Beauty and the Beast in North America. The Lion King has been the only 3D re-release that really pulled in serious money with Titanic in second pretty far behind.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

This has all come about because you've made the assertion that the PT was a commercial success. Nobody is arguing that. But commercial success does not equate to critical success. It is not just limited to me or people I know: there are critics and film fans all over the world who have expressed their criticisms for all six films, on-line and off -line. The overall average ratings and consensus are consistently lower for the PT and the OT, even though the PT's scores got better and better as it went on. When you follow up a well-loved trilogy with a less-than-well-loved trilogy, expectations for the next round of films is naturally going to be lower.

That is my observation - having nothing to do with personal opinion, because I think all the movies totally rock - and I do realistically believe that the box office return for TFA will be grand but not above-and-beyond the levels established previously.

I just get tired of seeing this certain minority of fans who think everyone agrees with them that the movies are rubbish, when they are in the minority. If The Phantom Menace was the disaster these people made it out to be, then how would the next two films pull in a ton of money and perform exactly like the OT? Simple fact is that, just like with Star Wars, there are people that like it and people that don't. Not everyone loved Star Wars when it came out, both critics and audiences. If they had, Empire Strikes Back would have made just as much and not the $100M less that it did make. All of the movies were fresh upon release with favorable reviews from most of the major critics and high scores from general audiences. So however this minority of fans want to try to twist the facts to their liking, it doesn't change the facts that the Prequels were successful commercially and critically and popular with audiences and the majority of fans. It served its purpose in keeping Star Wars alive and creating new fans.

I'm happy that you love all of the films as well.

I too agree that The Force Awakens is going to make a shit load of money, but it's probably not going to hit Titanic or Avatar levels. Nothing would please me more, but it's probably not in the cards.

[Tronald Dump]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I am outside, and that's what people keep telling me in person, "I don't care about the new Star Wars."

The movie is still almost a year away.

Once they see some trailers, and if this movie is well-received, they will change their tune.

[Himmel]

The 87th annual Academy Awards nominations will be announced Thursday morning, January 15 at 7:30 a.m. Central Time. Star Wars: The Force Awakens director J.J. Abrams will be one of the presenters to unveil this year’s Oscar nominees in several categories like animated feature, film editing, sound editing, visual effects and more.

The whole thing is scheduled to start at 7:30 a.m. Central, when “Gravity” director Alfonso Cuaron and “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” director J.J. Abrams unveil this year’s Oscar nominees for best animated feature, documentary feature, documentary short, film editing, original song, production design, animated short, live-action short, sound editing, sound mixing and visual effects.

Some stats About the Oscars and the previous Star Wars Movies.

All 6 Star Wars movies have 7 wins, 22 nominations and 3 Special Achievement Awards.

“A New Hope” racked up 10 Oscar nominations including Best Picture, Best Supporting Actor for Alec Guiness and Best Director and Best Original Screenplay for Lucas taking home 6 awards including Best Original Score for John Williams as well as a Special Achievement Award to Ben Burtt for his sound effects.

“The Empire Strikes Back” only managed 3 Academy Award nominations winning for Best Sound as well as receiving another Special Achievement Award this time for visual effects.

“Return of the Jedi” earned 4 Oscar nods winning only a Special Achievement Award for visual effects.

The Prequel Trilogy scored 5 further Oscar nods but no wins.

http://www.nola.com/movies/index.ssf...emy_award.html

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Elvis

I am wondering why a no traditional May 21st/25th release? Has anyone heard why? Are they scared about going up against the latest and greatest Comic film you think?

It probably had more to do with Harrison Ford breaking his leg.

They would have some decisions to make regardless but that door made it a no-brainer.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by octagon

It probably had more to do with Harrison Ford breaking his leg.

They would have some decisions to make regardless but that door made it a no-brainer.

I thought the release date was established before Ford hurt his leg?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I thought the release date was established before Ford hurt his leg?

Actually, yeah, it probably was. They were (obviously) in production already.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by octagon

Actually, yeah, it probably was. They were (obviously) in production already.

It seems like a long time ago(in a galaxy far far away)!