Fright Night (1985) (30th Anniversary Edition) (Limited Edition) - SOLD OUT

[omenboy]

Originally Posted by slimdude

This is exactly like The Pied Piper of Hamelin...If it wasn't for one person, NOBODY would've notice this alleged compression issue (whatever the hell that is). So why all of a sudden, it's such a big deal to everybody now! There is not a damn thing that anybody can do about it. As I've said before, if you don't want the blu-ray, resell it. Problem solved. For those who already have the first blu-ray release, this is what you get. If you're going to keep the blu-ray, stop complaining!

I know what you are trying to say about one person starting the complaints about the new edition and everyone else following along, but the story of The Pied Piper of Hamelin was about a rat catcher who lured the rats out of Hamelin with his flute and when the town refused to pay him for his services, he used the flute to lure the children of the town away, never to return (and presumably, to their deaths). That story doesn't quite apply to the situation with the Fright Night blu ray complaints (at least I hope no one is being lured to their deaths over this!!)

[bigdaddyhorse]

We can only hope the second printing of Christine sports the exact same transfer as the current, now that we've seen where slight tweaking can lead us!

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by slimdude

It doesn't matter if Fright Night ( or any other blu-ray movie release was perfect), people with a anal, OCD will find something else psychologically wrong with it.

Anthropomorphism at its finest. I know some here argue that the disc is - shall we say - a bit "unstable". But I wouldn't call it crazy. I'm kind of fond of it myself, quirks and all.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by slimdude

Because It's pathetic! Not only about this alleged compression issue, but the silly, ridiculous complaints about the cover artwork, the case, the size, color, brightness, Chris Sarandon's complexion, Stephen Geoffrey's hair, Amanda Bearse's makeup, anything they can think of.. At least, I have sense enough to get rid of something, if I no longer want it, or don't like it for whatever reason. It doesn't matter if Fright Night ( or any other blu-ray movie release was perfect), people with a anal, OCD will find something else psychologically wrong with it. The problem is certainly not the blu-ray movie (if you know what I mean). Nothing is going to be perfect all the time because, we don't live in a perfect world. People should realize that by now!

yes it is... your posts that is

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Jason One

Sorry, but this all sounds like a very far-fetched line of reasoning. I'm sure Sony has a well-established standard workflow for taking their own masters and encoding them properly for BD. Whether a particular BD ends up released in the US or not is irrelevant.

Sony also has a reputation for producing exceptional masters for their archives, so the chances that this master "needed additional work" are remote at best. And even if that were true, would you really trust any such tweaks in this encode, given the other problems it also contains?

LOL. Sony who produced exceptional masters like blue tint NOTLD 90 and cave-dark Bram Stokers Dracula? Or the 4K Spiderman 2 blu-ray with its bizarre colors that looked worse than the original 2k version? Or the 4k blu-ray of Angels and Demons where they forgot to add back in the cg effects in some scenes unlike the original 2k release?

The jury is still out on the isolated flaws of the 30th anniversary edition. I am not sure it has been even successfully identified what the flaw is yet. I an going to watch it frame by frame tonight in the couple of reported problem areas.

[tama]

Originally Posted by Ruined

LOL. Sony who produced excellent masters like NOTLD 90 and Bram Stokers Dracula? Or the 4K Spiderman 2 blu-ray that looked worse than the original 2k version? Or the 4k blu-ray of Angels and Demons where they forgot to add back in the cg effects in some scenes unlike the original 2k release?

The jury is still out on the isolated flaws of the 30th anniversary edition. I am not sure it has been even successfully identified what the flaw is yet.

So are you saying Sony is incapable of creating a good Master? Are you arguing that when Sony gets a 2nd crack at a films master they make it worse? If that's you're argument then how does that bold for this new version of Fright Night?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by tama

So are you saying Sony is incapable of creating a good Master? Are you arguing that when Sony gets a 2nd crack at a films master they make it worse? If that's you're argument then how does that bold for this new version of Fright Night?

No, I am just saying Sony does not always produce flawless results even with 4k mastering, thus there may be room for improvement from their int'l release. And yes sometimes the 2nd time around they produced something worse than the 1st time. This is where your eyes can help you decide which release looks better.

[nekromantik]

Mine only just left the US today.
Man its slow!

[2themax]

So do you guys want the real answer to your questions (at least most of them)?

[tama]

Originally Posted by 2themax

So do you guys want the real answer to your questions (at least most of them)?

Shoot.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by 2themax

So do you guys want the real answer to your questions (at least most of them)?

Definitely, I'm anxious to hear. Looks like you got everyone's attention since the thread got real quiet after your post.

[Keyser Soze.]

[Retroj23]

Originally Posted by 2themax

So do you guys want the real answer to your questions (at least most of them)?

Classic Movie Line #51 - YouTube

[rickah88]

Classic!

[2themax]

Making you guys wait is fun....

OK...OK so the answer. TT is now using a different facility for compression and authoring from when Fright Night was first released in 2011. Since it's been confirmed by TT that they are using the same master, there's no argument here when I say this. The new facility is using an inferior encoder with known problems and I believe I even know which encoder. That's based on the discussion here, the screenshots I've seen, and a little bit of knowledge that I can't publicly share. And to the argument of the 2011 release not being as sharp as the 30th anniversary release, it's all about bit rate. I guarantee it has nothing to do with filtering being applied to the 2011 release.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Brett C

OK in the pant scene, it is not the entire frame, the artifact,(destabilization of that portion of the image) shows on his legs as the shot pans.

I would say the worst is starting at 43.26 the shot of the clocks panning sideways till Chris Sarandon takes the phone.

OK, I did the pant leg scene in slow motion.

You were right that it is macroblocking, but not typical macroblocking in that the majority of frames show no symptoms despite similar motion.

Basically, the vast majority of that pan is fine, but there are 4 frames in the pan with moderate macroblocking. I had to watch it frame by frame in order to figure it out.

So it is like:
Pan starts, all is fine, pan goes on for about 1.5 seconds, then 2 frames w/ macroblocking, then all is fine again for about 1.5 seconds, then 2 more frames of macroblocking, then all is fine again for the remainder of the pan.

While the majority of the pan is fine, these two groups of 2 frames of macroblocking are more apparent because this new release has more film grain which the macroblocking "spoils" and hence makes it look a little "jumpy".

The clock pan is the same. Most of it is fine with just a few frames of macroblocking causing the jumpy look due to all the film grain.

The old release had much less film grain in these areas so it is not as apparent.

[EddieLarkin]

Originally Posted by 2themax

Making you guys wait is fun....

OK...OK so the answer. TT is now using a different facility for compression and authoring from when Fright Night was first released in 2011. Since it's been confirmed by TT that they are using the same master, there's no argument here when I say this. The new facility is using an inferior encoder with known problems and I believe I even know which encoder. That's based on the discussion here, the screenshots I've seen, and a little bit of knowledge that I can't publicly share. And to the argument of the 2011 release not being as sharp as the 30th anniversary release, it's all about bit rate. I guarantee it has nothing to do with filtering being applied to the 2011 release.

It's true that in the booklets a different facility is now credited with authoring. It was always 1K Studios before but now it's "Ambient Media". I wonder if they have anything to do with other authoring flubs on recent TT discs, namely the fact that the video for The Bride Wore Black was apparently encoded twice to accommodate a second audio track, when of course that wasn't necessary.

[schlock]

Originally Posted by 2themax

Making you guys wait is fun....

OK...OK so the answer. TT is now using a different facility for compression and authoring from when Fright Night was first released in 2011. Since it's been confirmed by TT that they are using the same master, there's no argument here when I say this. The new facility is using an inferior encoder with known problems and I believe I even know which encoder. That's based on the discussion here, the screenshots I've seen, and a little bit of knowledge that I can't publicly share. And to the argument of the 2011 release not being as sharp as the 30th anniversary release, it's all about bit rate. I guarantee it has nothing to do with filtering being applied to the 2011 release.

So I assume this means the color timing and over-brightening (obvious, at least in my eyes) on the 30th Anniversary is because of the poor encoding. Still looks really good, but so happy I didn't blow out the 2011 disc. Going to hold on to my CHRISTINE as well.

[tama]

Originally Posted by schlock

So I assume this means the color timing and over-brightening (obvious, at least in my eyes) on the 30th Anniversary is because of the poor encoding. Still looks really good, but so happy I didn't blow out the 2011 disc. Going to hold on to my CHRISTINE as well.

I don't know if I would call it poor encoding. But I wouldn't be surprised if the raw master resembles the 2011 release more closely then what ended up being encoded on this disc.

I wonder when TT switched authoring houses? Was it fairly recent?

[schlock]

Originally Posted by tama

I wonder when TT switched authoring houses? Was it fairly recent?

Not sure, but I checked the booklet for THE BLOB and it was also Ambient Media. I don't think anyone noticed any issues with that transfer, but there was no prior Blu to compare it with.