4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Very effective, if you're the faster buddy.

The Claws and Teeth Principle works with bears – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post9845353

As well as mountain lions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by octagon

One has to wonder just how effective the buddy system would be against mountain lions

Seriously, riding with a buddy, helped save her life…. http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/articl...on-2830682.php

[PeterTHX]

This should help motivate providers to supply true 4K content...
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...explode/138548

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Mike, what is your favourite 35mm shot film on Blu-ray in terms of PQ?

Huh not been asked that in a while, used to be Kwai as my go to answer will think on it

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

This should help motivate providers to supply true 4K content...
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...explode/138548

I like graphs like that as it reminds me of the morning of my discharge day of my last hospitalization for the heart thing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...compressing 32 bits per color channel using video shot with off-the-shelf cameras?

With an approach such as recording video footage in Sraw with a Canon dslr, translate to OpenEXR frames (http://www.openexr.com/about.html) and compress with a proprietary encoder to produce your HDR video.

[Penton-Man]

^ Or…..if one doesn’t have access to such proprietary algorithms, put the open standard HDR solution (Perceptual Quantizer) in a LUT box and hook it up to a 800 nit (or more) rated display that will accept the input from an external box.

[bailey1987]

Have the maximum number of nits been standardised now then? What's the best to hope for?

[Geoff D]

I'm watching a 4K satellite demo feed on my TV (Sony have just enabled 4K HEVC reception) and holee shit it looks fabulous. Now, I know it's video shot specifically for this purpose but it looks like a moving photograph at times. Movies will of course be a lot different, especially ye olde '80s films that were lensed on the uber-grainy high speed stocks of the period, but I still can't wait to tuck in to some UHD BD goodness. Even if my 2014 TV misses out on WCG, HDR and all those other wonderful acronyms, I reckon UHD BD is still gonna look the balls.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

Have the maximum number of nits been standardised now then?

Nope.

Originally Posted by bailey1987

What's the best to hope for?

For the time being, around 1000 nits. For me, these are the important questions -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

…what think you as to which display type will provide a superior image…..LG’s 4K OLED (with claimed 800 nits capability) showing HDR movie content using the open standard (or Dolby Vision) or….the other LCD brands (starting with Samsung, etc.), offering the same, but at a max. luminance of 1000 nits or more?

In other words, will ~200 nits beat out OLED (hdr) quality?

And a best thing to hope for is in the fight for supremacy over the best HDR picture quality, that the cost of large 4K OLED HDR televisons will decrease before I kick the bucket.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm watching a 4K satellite demo feed on my TV (Sony have just enabled 4K HEVC reception) and holee shit it looks fabulous. Now, I know it's video shot specifically for this purpose but it looks like a moving photograph at times. Movies will of course be a lot different, especially ye olde '80s films that were lensed on the uber-grainy high speed stocks of the period, but I still can't wait to tuck in to some UHD BD goodness. Even if my 2014 TV misses out on WCG, HDR and all those other wonderful acronyms, I reckon UHD BD is still gonna look the balls.

I wouldn’t worry about it. You’ll be enjoying your 4K set for years before the dam breaks out with a plethora of HDR/WCG-ized movies. If you don’t think so, send it to Belgium and they’ll appreciate it –

From Hollywood to the OR: Belgium’s first 4K surgery - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

...What's the best to hope for?

Not forgetting, in view of Richard’s previously noted concern regarding lifespan, best hope that 4K LG OLED HDR televisions don’t turn out to be the new “James Dean of the TV universe”, i.e. stunning but short-lived…..
http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/54549...a-1080p#311271

For with class action lawsuits against consumer television manufacturers, it seems that thee only real winners, ever….are the attorneys -
https://sites.google.com/site/sonylc...led-8-24-2010-

The typical consumer walks away with peanuts for their trouble.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not forgetting, in view of Richard’s previously noted concern regarding lifespan, best hope that 4K LG OLED HDR televisions don’t turn out to be the new “James Dean of the TV universe”, i.e. stunning but short-lived…..
http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/54549...a-1080p#311271

For with class action lawsuits against consumer television manufacturers, it seems that thee only real winners, ever….are the attorneys -
https://sites.google.com/site/sonylc...led-8-24-2010-

The typical consumer walks away with peanuts for their trouble.

Here's hoping that you hold out long enough to see way beyond 4K. On another note has the packaging that Ultra HD Blu-ray's will be released in been finalized do you know? Do you know or think it will retain the blue cases? Also will movies be formatted for HDR from launch or will it be a double dip for early titles? Is there any estimates as to when we will hear the final word on Ultra HD Blu-ray?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I think OLED has great potential when it comes to video quality but lifespan is an issue for OLED. Without some huge improvement in OLED lifespan I think that HDR could be a big problem for OLED.

Lifespan is not an issue and neither will HDR be an issue.

"LG and other manufacturers have since cracked it. It says that its OLED TVs now have a lifespan in normal viewing conditions of 30,000 before deterioration in brightness. That's around 10 years if you watch a bit more than around eight hours of TV a day, every day. And that's not in eco mode."

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1312...should-be-oled

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=147


LG promises HDR OLED TVs by Q3 2015


"One of the latest buzz words in the TV industry is HDR - High Dynamic Range. HDR video captures images with an expanded brightness range - darker shadows and brighter whites. An HDR TV will need to be able to display a wider range of brightness levels compared to a regular TV, and so the maximum brightness of any pixel needs to be higher - about 1,000 nits (compared to about 400 nits as the brightest pixel in a regular TV)."

http://www.oled-info.com/lg-promises...ed-tvs-q3-2015

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I reckon UHD BD is still gonna look the balls.

More beautiful words have not been uttered.

I too am looking forward to UHD BD.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm watching a 4K satellite demo feed on my TV (Sony have just enabled 4K HEVC reception) and holee shit it looks fabulous. Now, I know it's video shot specifically for this purpose but it looks like a moving photograph at times. Movies will of course be a lot different, especially ye olde '80s films that were lensed on the uber-grainy high speed stocks of the period, but I still can't wait to tuck in to some UHD BD goodness. Even if my 2014 TV misses out on WCG, HDR and all those other wonderful acronyms, I reckon UHD BD is still gonna look the balls.

Look for the Linkin Park concert too, it's very pretty, and welcome back

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Look for the Linkin Park concert too, it's very pretty, and welcome back

The cat’s back. Ankle hardware and all.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Lifespan is not an issue and neither will HDR be an issue.

"LG and other manufacturers have since cracked it. It says that its OLED TVs now have a lifespan in normal viewing conditions of 30,000 before deterioration in brightness. That's around 10 years if you watch a bit more than around eight hours of TV a day, every day. And that's not in eco mode."

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1312...should-be-oled

Well that settles it, Ray. Nothing like verbal reassurances , this from a V.P. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...952#post626952

Or another verbal reassurance, see cinema low down link - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ve#post9553148

Although I do hope the engineers from “LG and manufacturers” aren’t the same engineers who developed the optical block for the SXRDs…https://sites.google.com/site/sonylc...ction-lawsuits ….or those who developed the DePuy Pinnacle Hip Replacement (approved by the FDA - http://www.consumerinjurylawyers.com...nnacle/lawsuit )….or the ones who made some of those notorious Takata airbags that are blasting shrapnel out at drivers, etc.

Are the manufacturers willing to back up their prophecy by offering a free 30,000 hr. warranty guarantee or will said warranty be coming from Pocket-lint? Seriously, I hope HDR with OLED doesn't become a lifespan issue and I truly want my next home display to be a big 4K OLED HDR tv, but those types of reassurances mean nothing to me and I would doubt Richard, as this isn't his first rodeo either. Can people who purchased HD DVD players ever sue Amir for misleading them about the viable production lifespan of HD DVD software to play in those HD DVD players….and receive fair damages?

Even at thee most advanced levels of monitor design and production for the motion picture or broadcast community, some issues are unforeseen until real world users actually get these displays out in the field and put some hours on them with their hands and eyes, e.g. -
” Sony Changing the target”….http://www.lightillusion.com/percept...our_match.html

When Sony first attempted to deal with metameric failure of their OLED displays they released a set of chromaticity xy offset values, that ranged from -0.001, -0.009, through -0.004, -0.013, depending on the probe used, and alternative display technology to be matched to.

In later documentation on the White Balance of BVM and PVM displays Sony reduced these values to a single set of xy offsets - x=-0.006, y=-0.011.

The problem is that none of these values are actually accurate, as the concept of simply adding an offset value to an existing CMF is too much of a compromise to correct for metameric failure...A far better approach is to utilize…..

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Look for the Linkin Park concert too, it's very pretty, and welcome back

I haven't got a movable dish though, so it's the Astra UHD demo channel or nuthin'.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I haven't got a movable dish though, so it's the Astra UHD demo channel or nuthin'.

Get a large broom