Help, opinions on Yamaha receiver

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by lcrngrs

I wanted all of the speakers to have sound which is why I purchased a 7.1 receiver, but did not realize that if a movie is 5.1, the rear speakers wouldn't get sound unless I use other available settings. I always prefer to have a movie played the way it was intended and do not like "fake" sound like the 7ch setting for example.

correct me if im wrong, but isnt the 7ch setting a "7ch stereo" mode?

You do not want to use that for movies...you should try:

PLIIx Movie

[lcrngrs]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

correct me if im wrong, but isnt the 7ch setting a "7ch stereo" mode?

You do not want to use that for movies...you should try:

PLIIx Movie

Yes, the 7ch is stereo mode and comes out of all of my speakers but has no separation. I called Yamaha regarding this and was told the rear speakers just take sound and simulate whatever it can. Normally, I do use the PLIIx, enhanced mode and it does the trick. Once I purchase a new yamaha, namely the 663 I will use the HDMI and set the ps3 on pcm and should achieve the true hd sound, that is providing the movie has it. Correct? I really appreciate your help, thanks.

[bluerodent]

Originally Posted by lcrngrs

Yes, the 7ch is stereo mode and comes out of all of my speakers but has no separation. I called Yamaha regarding this and was told the rear speakers just take sound and simulate whatever it can. Normally, I do use the PLIIx, enhanced mode and it does the trick. Once I purchase a new yamaha, namely the 663 I will use the HDMI and set the ps3 on pcm and should achieve the true hd sound, that is providing the movie has it. Correct? I really appreciate your help, thanks.

You are aware that the Yamaha 663 does NO post processing (PLIIx...etc) from a PCM signal.

[lcrngrs]

Originally Posted by bluerodent

You are aware that the Yamaha 663 does NO post processing (PLIIx...etc) from a PCM signal.

Once again, this is why I'm confused. How can I get true dolby hd using my PS3? What receiver will allow me to do this? I thought the yamaha would work but now I'm back to square one.

[BigBluu]

Originally Posted by lcrngrs

Once again, this is why I'm confused. How can I get true dolby hd using my PS3? What receiver will allow me to do this? I thought the yamaha would work but now I'm back to square one.

set your ps3 to linear pcm and your receiver to "straight". make sure dolby true hd or dts master audio is selected from your blu-ray's setup menu. then you're good to go! your receiver should indicate pcm, and that's it.

[bluerodent]

You are confused. You Will get Dolby True HD, Dts MAHD..etc. But you will not be a able to apply any of the DSP (surround modes).. like PLIIX, DTS 6..etc from the PCM signal. This is just a mode mode which allows you to "matrix" the additional rear channels to a 6.1 and 7.1 set up. Some people like the additional processing of those modes, but if this is not important to you (matrixing 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1) then I would not worry about and go with the Yamaha.

Hope this clears up any confusion

[lcrngrs]

Originally Posted by bluerodent

You are confused. You Will get Dolby True HD, Dts MAHD..etc. But you will not be a able to apply any of the DSP (surround modes).. like PLIIX, DTS 6..etc from the PCM signal. This is just a mode mode which allows you to "matrix" the additional rear channels to a 6.1 and 7.1 set up. Some people like the additional processing of those modes, but if this is not important to you (matrixing 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1) then I would not worry about and go with the Yamaha.

Hope this clears up any confusion

Actually, I believe this does clear it up. Well I hope. Here goes. In order to get true dolby hd etc using the ps3 I set the system on PMC and in the settings choose True dolby hd, dts master etc. (where is that specifically?) My receiver which will be the Yamaha 663 should be set to direct. This allows me to hear a movie in 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 depending on the actual specifications of the particular movie I'm watching. Since most movies are in 5.1, my rear speakers will not get any sound the majority of the time. Only if I choose a "faux" mode which most receivers have will I be able to simulate sound through each speaker.
One other question.. Does true hd really sound that different compared to regular dolby? This question amounts to a 400.00 upgrade of my receiver which is also a yamaha purchased around 2 years ago.

[gearyt]

Originally Posted by lcrngrs

One other question.. Does true hd really sound that different compared to regular dolby? This question amounts to a 400.00 upgrade of my receiver which is also a yamaha purchased around 2 years ago.

does it make a difference.... ohhhh yeah !!
Is it worth $400... depends on you expense tolerance

to me.... hell ya

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by bluerodent

you will not be a able to apply any of the DSP (surround modes).. like PLIIX, DTS 6..etc from the PCM signal.

Ive been reading on the avsforum and some say you can apply post processing to the 663. (you were able to with the 661, dont see why you couldn't with the 663) but I do not own a 663 to verify. I would think you can.

avsforum.com:

FWIW, my local Yamaha dealer (Rowe Audio) called their yamaha rep., and the rep. confirmed that the 663 does still have the ability to apply ProLogic IIx to 5.1PCM, in order to get 7.1PCM.

post

The 663 will either matrix PCM OR decode bitstream, it will not matrix bitstream.

post:

I keep mine on PLIIxMovies all the time. This player will only matrix 5.1 to 7.1 with the HD PCM audio.

post:

So one has to set it to PLIIx Movie and leave it there (when connected to a PS3 and doing Linear PCM). That's the perfect setting right there.

[DamBlanks]

I just bought the HTR-6190b for 598.00 cad. Just wonder if I should stick with this receiver or go with something else...It sounds fine . Would anything be better in this price range..? thx