HD DVD Promo Group says HD DVD players "thrashing" Blu-ray in the US

[xanoid]

Hi all,
Can you all believe this??IGN is flashing this on their site.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/795/795760p1.html

""June 11, 2007 - In what would appear to be a weekly tradition now, the HD-DVD Promotions Group is announcing yet more progress for the format in its struggle with Blu-ray. According to the HD-DVD camp, the format now accounts for 60% of all next-gen DVD set-top players sold to this point in time. The figure does not count the PlayStation 3. The group also announced that HD-DVD is achieving a 4 to 1 movie attach rate over Blu-ray, and set a new high for movie sales in May, highlighted by more than 75,000 units sold in the last week of the month.

Last month was apparently a good one for both formats, with actual consumer spending on HD-DVD and Blu-ray combining to $5.2-million, 31% more than the previous combined record. ""::

Can YOu ALL BELIEVE THIS ??? I THINK IGN IS JUST BECOMING TOO MUCH OF AN ANTI SONY SITE SINCE I DONT SEE ANY OF +VE SONY NEWS THERE AND THEREFORE WILL STOP PAYING THEM FOR SUBSCRIPTION FROM THIS YEAR ON. Am going to gamespot from now on.

But whats with this new Stat that HD dvd has come out with ????

[AxL_the_Red]

Statistic manipulation at its finest.

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by xanoid

But whats with this new Stat that HD dvd has come out with ????

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...e,119772.shtml

Toshiba is indicating that they have 60% of standalone players.

They've also sold about 50K additional HD DVD players in the last 2 months, which is a fairly huge increase, given they were at 100K in the april timeframe.

All these price cuts and movie giveaways are having an impact in player sales.

Watch out in the coming months to see if this translates to movie sales (once they finish watching all their free movies)

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by blublublu

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...e,119772.shtml

Toshiba is indicating that they have 60% of standalone players.

They've also sold about 50K additional HD DVD players in the last 2 months, which is a fairly huge increase, given they were at 100K in the april timeframe.

All these price cuts and movie giveaways are having an impact in player sales.

Watch out in the coming months to see if this translates to movie sales (once they finish watching all their free movies)

Or Toshiba is so far behind that they are forced to lie about sales numbers in order to create false hype. I don't think the price cuts are having much of an effect at all.

[crunchywyte]

Key Sentence:

"The figure does not count the PlayStation 3."

[JTK]

Originally Posted by crunchywyte

Key Sentence:

"The figure does not count the PlayStation 3."

Or this:
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7648

Guess the firsales ain't working out real well for them.

[aaronwt]

Originally Posted by JTK

Or this:
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=7648

Guess the firsales ain't working out real well for them.

They adjusted their estimate to a more realistic number. their original 1.8 million estimate was just crazy. 1 million is still pretty high but more realistic than 1.8 million. if they can keep selling the Standalone players at a fast pace and have the usual upswing for electronics during the holidays they might come close to 1 million stand alone sales.

[aaronwt]

Originally Posted by Blubaru

That's going to be hard considering that BB/CC/Comp USA/Target/Wal-Mart have all already begun phasing out HD-DVD. You will most likely be hard-pressed to even find a HD-DVD player for sale by this Christmas.



That's going to be hard considering that BB/CC/Comp USA/Target/Wal-Mart have all already started phasing out HD-DVD. You will most likely be hard-pressed to even find a HD-DVD player for sale by this Christmas.

Not at the BB/CC/Walmarts near me. CompUSA is basically gone from this area and I haven't been to Target in a while so I don't know about them. But in the last two BB, and Walmart stores i was in, HD DVD and BD had approximately equal space. I didn't look at the CC since I was looking at the new Toshiba 1080P DLP sets to replace my old Samsung 1080P Dlp set.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by crunchywyte

Key Sentence:

"The figure does not count the PlayStation 3."

I read that and stopped reading...

I'm shocked they didn't put that in small print..

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by The Don

I read that and stopped reading...

I'm shocked they didn't put that in small print..

That's been Toshiba's line of FUD all along. Now we actually have both sides of their mouth in one sentence, where the PS3 supposedly doesn't count as a player, but does count against attach rates. Best fact to fight this with the that Blu-Ray has simply sold more movies and continues to do so.

[stuart628]

my question is this, they didnt count the PS3 in Player numbers, but did they count it in the attach rates, because 4 to 1 is REALLY high considering Blu ray Discs have outsold HD DVD disks.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Musashi

That's been Toshiba's line of FUD all along. Now we actually have both sides of their mouth in one sentence, where the PS3 supposedly doesn't count as a player, but does count against attach rates. Best fact to fight this with the that Blu-Ray has simply sold more movies and continues to do so.

exactly...

it's funny they have all this hardware out that they don't even make any money on and still can't sell more movies...

once the PS3 launches BD to victory....then we can worry about players coming down to a convenient price and the movies as well...

HD DVD is trying to get players in everyones home to entice the other studios to offer support, but how will that work when they are having more success with BD in a shorter time period with less players on the market...

of course....BD having less players on the market is excluding PS3's.....I too can angle this to make BD look better when in reality BD owns the market for players and movies....

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by Blubaru

Or Toshiba is so far behind that they are forced to lie about sales numbers in order to create false hype. I don't think the price cuts are having much of an effect at all.

50% increase in players total players sold in 2 months is a pretty good effect.

I don't expect Toshiba would lie about such numbers.

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by blublublu

50% increase in players total players sold in 2 months is a pretty good effect.

I don't expect Toshiba would lie about such numbers.

Toshiba is worse than M$.

Toshiba would most certainly lie about the numbers. Do you think they would come out with the real numbers that show Blu-ray killing HD-DVD? They have everything to lose with this HD-DVD gamble.

Why would they care about spreading misinformation so long as it helps confuse the consumer and sell their crap players.

You should learn to take any info coming from the HD-DVD camp with a grain of salt.

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by Blubaru

Toshiba is worse than M$.

Toshiba would most certainly lie about the numbers. Do you think they would come out with the real numbers that show Blu-ray killing HD-DVD? They have everything to lose with this HD-DVD gamble.

Why would they care about spreading misinformation so long as it helps confuse the consumer and sell their crap players.

You should learn to take any info coming from the HD-DVD camp with a grain of salt.

Major corporations cannot simply "lie" these days and not face consequences.

[blackpixels]

Originally Posted by xanoid

Hi all,
Can you all believe this??IGN is flashing this on their site.

http://gear.ign.com/articles/795/795760p1.html

""June 11, 2007 - In what would appear to be a weekly tradition now, the HD-DVD Promotions Group is announcing yet more progress for the format in its struggle with Blu-ray. According to the HD-DVD camp, the format now accounts for 60% of all next-gen DVD set-top players sold to this point in time. The figure does not count the PlayStation 3. The group also announced that HD-DVD is achieving a 4 to 1 movie attach rate over Blu-ray, and set a new high for movie sales in May, highlighted by more than 75,000 units sold in the last week of the month.

Last month was apparently a good one for both formats, with actual consumer spending on HD-DVD and Blu-ray combining to $5.2-million, 31% more than the previous combined record. ""::

Can YOu ALL BELIEVE THIS ??? I THINK IGN IS JUST BECOMING TOO MUCH OF AN ANTI SONY SITE SINCE I DONT SEE ANY OF +VE SONY NEWS THERE AND THEREFORE WILL STOP PAYING THEM FOR SUBSCRIPTION FROM THIS YEAR ON. Am going to gamespot from now on.

But whats with this new Stat that HD dvd has come out with ????

Lets face it...as much as we don't want to admit it....we need a $299 BD player in the market now not by the end of the year (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9693198-1.html), hell make it 1080i like the comp (GPX brand will work)...it's all about the average consumer; I've said it before unfortunately best value lowest price wins.

Sony KDS-60XBR2
Sony BDP-S1 w/v2.0
Sony DVP-S9000es CD/DVD/SACD
Adcom GFA5800/GFP750 amp/pre
Yamaha RX-V3200 as processor
Jamo 7.7/Jamo Center 1
Energy Veritas Rears
Energy AS180/NHT SW10 subs
Vansevers cleanline
Mit2/Audioquest/Monster cables
15 BD's and counting...

[scott87]

i really cant stand ign anymore they are so biased its amazing

[haushausman]

"In what would appear to be a weekly tradition now, the HD-DVD Promotions Group is announcing..."

[END OF ARTICLE]

Why the hell would they even post this crap, spin, bullsh*t, when it's from an HD-DVD promotions group?!

I thought IGN had more sense...

[aaronwt]

Originally Posted by haushausman

"In what would appear to be a weekly tradition now, the HD-DVD Promotions Group is announcing..."

[END OF ARTICLE]

Why the hell would they even post this crap, spin, bullsh*t, when it's from an HD-DVD promotions group?!

I thought IGN had more sense...

On the flipside would it be just as much BS if it came from the BD promotion group? Get real. Statistics are manipulated by everyone, it always has and always will. This is nothing new. Whether it's HD DVD, BD, politicians, etc everyone takes the statistics and spins it their way.

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by haushausman

"In what would appear to be a weekly tradition now, the HD-DVD Promotions Group is announcing..."

[END OF ARTICLE]

Why the hell would they even post this crap, spin, bullsh*t, when it's from an HD-DVD promotions group?!

I thought IGN had more sense...

Gerry Block is a M$ tool. I have gotten in numerous arguments with him before about his blind devotion to HD-DVD and M$. He is the only one on IGN that covers the format war and you will never see a positive article about Blu-ray on IGN. He has taken it upon himself to spread to the lies and misinformation and try to change public opinion of HD-DVD.

Originally Posted by aaronwt

They adjusted their estimate to a more realistic number. their original 1.8 million estimate was just crazy. 1 million is still pretty high but more realistic than 1.8 million. if they can keep selling the Standalone players at a fast pace and have the usual upswing for electronics during the holidays they might come close to 1 million stand alone sales.

That's going to be hard considering that BB/CC/Comp USA/Target/Wal-Mart have all already started phasing out HD-DVD. You will most likely be hard-pressed to even find a HD-DVD player for sale by this Christmas.