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[NutsAboutPS3]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

On Ghost Rider and Stomp the Yard, the DDTHD track is compressed from a 20bit source while the LPCM is 16bit. We are taking advantage of the lossless encoding to allow greater bit depth sampling, so it should be possible to hear a difference between the two provided that your audio equipment is adequate.

Very interesting indeed - thanks for that paidgeek. Even more reason for me to upgrade to an HDMI amp then!

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

On Ghost Rider and Stomp the Yard, the DDTHD track is compressed from a 20bit source while the LPCM is 16bit. We are taking advantage of the lossless encoding to allow greater bit depth sampling, so it should be possible to hear a difference between the two provided that your audio equipment is adequate.

Paidgeek,

very good news about 20-bit for TrueHD (and allow me to shower you with unending praises about your company's decions to forgo Dialog Normalization for its TrueHD streams).

Question: Disney seems to routinely put 24/48 5.1 PCM on their BD discs (sans TrueHD). Is there a reason Sony only uses 16-bit PCM? Disney's Chicago seemed to have plenty of bandwidth to spare... video that peaked above 40 mbps plus an additional 2.0 PCM spanish track (50GB disc).


P.S. I just watched the screener BD disc (production copy) for Seven Years in Tibet.

I'm still recovering.

One of the most 3-dimensional, naturally-detailed high-definition images I HAVE EVER SEEN. That that PCM soundtrack... sigh...

Expect a glowing review at www.dvdfile.com on Friday!

[LembasBread]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

On Ghost Rider and Stomp the Yard, the DDTHD track is compressed from a 20bit source while the LPCM is 16bit. We are taking advantage of the lossless encoding to allow greater bit depth sampling, so it should be possible to hear a difference between the two provided that your audio equipment is adequate.

So the information on High Def Digest's review is erroneous (it says both tracks are 16-bit)? Can I call them out on it?

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by LembasBread

So the information on High Def Digest's review is erroneous (it says both tracks are 16-bit)? Can I call them out on it?

It's tricky, because (if I understand correctly) Dolby Digital Decoders extract the LPCM data and then "pad" the output with 0 for the LSBs if necessary to always keep a 24-bit word output from the decoding chip.

In other words, Dolby TrueHD would always light up as "24 bit" on your receiver regardless of the bit-depth of the actual encoded (packed) signal. So you could never refer to that to determine the original word-length, so maybe that reviewer just assumed that the TrueHD stream was the same bit-resolution as the PCM on the disc since there was no spec on the packaging to indicate otherwise (a resonable assumption).

Paidgeek, pass along to the marketing guys that we'd love to see bit-resolution stated with every PCM and TrueHD encoded stream right on the packaging!

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Huh?

SDDS 7.1 is Left-Left Center-Center-Right Center-Right, Surround Left, Surround Right and LFE. Neither Dolby TrueHD or DTS allow for the center speaker arrangements in their HD optical formats.

First of all, apologies to the mods. I know I'm not an insider but just need to clarify things.


This is the traditional 7.1 setup.


This is the 7.1 Front-Wide setup.


With DTS HD/HDMA consumers can now select how they can set up their speakers. This is a leg-up over Dolby TrueHD.

Consumers either can configure the setup traditionally or in a variety of ways. Once set up, the consumer can tell the receiver what kind of setup they have so that the receiver can make adjustment. There are 8 layouts that consumers can use with DTS HDMA.

Using the Front-Wide setup, Sony's SDDS 7.1 format can be preserved for home use via DTS HD/HDMA. Not only that, the original Cinerama or Todd-AO 6.0 mix can also be used.


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[PeterTHX]

^^^^

Not a good idea. Reconfigure your entire HT just for a few soundtracks that *might* use that configuration? A leg up over TrueHD? Nope.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

these are piecemeal pic(s) of the back cover of the Remastered version.

I forgot the lower left side of the back ........................

[Josh]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I forgot the lower left side of the back ........................

No extras? I guess Sony is holding onto the "right to release Special Collector's Edition" card very tightly. Haha. No problem for me, since I don't care about extras anyway.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

It is not likely that we will provide a 7.1 in SDDS format since it would be unlikely that consumers will set-up 5 identical speakers across the front. FYI, Spiderman 3 also has a 7.1ch SDDS mix...

I would. In fact I've been thinking to add when listening 5.1 mixes an extra two front in some passive matrix augmentation scheme to fill the wide front arc

Also for original 70mm 6-track 5 front 1 rear mixes without folding the front 5 into 3 (Rob Tomlin's ears perk up)

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

I would. In fact I've been thinking to add when listening 5.1 mixes an extra two front in some passive matrix augmentation scheme to fill the wide front arc

Also for original 70mm 6-track 5 front 1 rear mixes without folding the front 5 into 3 (Rob Tomlin's ears perk up)

[AlexBC]

Paidgeek,

I Gothika (the Halle Berry flick) is distributed by SPHE worldwide, with the exception of the US. The disc has already been announced for release on various countries and it's out in Korea.

Can you share some information on disc type and video codec used?

I could find out that it contais all the extras of the DVD release but since I couldn't find any info on the tech specs, can shed some light please?

[azure_blue]

PaidGeek, is this film in the pipeline for release on BD .. this is a good film and i was quite impressed with the cinematography and quality of the print when this film was released at the cinema..
have you got an update or any news in relation to this title?
thanks..

[nhaase]

I tried searching, and nothing came up; I didn't want to put another post in this mammoth thread w/out trying other avenues.

My question would be to Paidgeek, probably (since he's been answering Fox/BD+ questions): Can anything for the USA be taken away from Fox's recent release announcements in Japan? Are they using BD+ on the Japanese releases? Japan is also Region A, so those BDs would play on US players, so has Fox "USA" just being lazy and not announcing yet?

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

^^^^

Not a good idea. Reconfigure your entire HT just for a few soundtracks that *might* use that configuration? A leg up over TrueHD? Nope.

You're not getting it.

If your setup is Front-Wide, soundtracks mixed for SDDS, Cinerama and Todd-AO can just be applied without any reconfiguration.

If your setup is Traditional and the soundtrack is SDDS, the RECEIVER adjust the mix for you. Either way, it's still lossless delivery and in surround.


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[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Esox50

I cannot remember if it was Doherty or the A-man talking @ AVMS

And a Blast from the Past ..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/4216291.stm

Perhaps somebody in the future can provide this link to the appropriate forum during the appropriate discussion because if I try to fit it in, it may just get deleted.

B.T.W.-
I see the Reuben sandwich just can't get enough of that Fifth Element cover art.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And a Blast from the Past ..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/4216291.stm

Perhaps somebody in the future can provide this link to the appropriate forum during the appropriate discussion because if I try to fit it in, it may just get deleted.

B.T.W.-
I see the Reuben sandwich just can't get enough of that Fifth Element cover art.

Wow, great link. Still, it probably won't make some people over at AVMS open their eyes.

Also, love the see the "rueben sandwich" comments that you and I coined via PM catching on...

[Jim L]

This comment/question is for Paidgeek:

I just finished watching this BD yesterday and I have to say I'm stunned!

I'd have to say this is my new favorite #1 BD. (Believe it or not, I have never seen this film before yesterday.)

You are absolutely right in your hints about how pleased we would be with it on Blu-ray. The photography, setting and scenic vistas in this movie remind me somewhat of Lawrence of Arabia.

If you are familiar with the HD master of LOA, can you comment on how good it looks in comparison to Seven Years in Tibet and what quality level we can expect on the BD?

If it's even close, I'm drooling already! Can't wait for it!

[GoldenRedux]

For RBFilms,

What's the word, if you can tell us, on any new projects you may be working on coming to BD soon? Chronos was really good, IMO.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And a Blast from the Past ..........
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/4216291.stm

Perhaps somebody in the future can provide this link to the appropriate forum during the appropriate discussion because if I try to fit it in, it may just get deleted.

I used it here in this thread:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...77#post3174777

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by LembasBread

So the information on High Def Digest's review is erroneous (it says both tracks are 16-bit)? Can I call them out on it?

Yes, there are incorrect. The DD THD is 20bit.