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Old 06-25-2015, 10:16 PM   #15
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See the links toward the bottom of this post –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ic#post9902392

which relate the results (presented at more than one international conference by spokespersons for the EBU ( https://ch.linkedin.com/pub/hans-hoffmann-phd/5/a68/75b ) , Eurovision, etc.) presenting the materials, methods and results of the independent professional lab testing as well as my included link to the easier-to-read consumer testing by HDTVtest which prove wrong the assertion by Dr. Soneira, as quoted by you, that “a regular human isn't going to see a difference."

I kind of find that sort of hyperbole amusing coming from a physicist who, unlike most video engineers, actually realizes that humans commonly can resolve better than one arc minute (30 cycles/degree)… http://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-retina-2/ which, by the way, is the basis of the graph you posted by Carlton Bale and which you also accept and continuously promote as gospel.

Real world advice…. don’t blindly follow personalities based on professional credentials or past reputation believing therefore that whatever spouts out of their mouths is guaranteed to be accurate
Sir, you attacked one of the most scholarly, preeminent, learned, respected, credible experts on this subject to which we are debating in this thread. In view of your links, they failed to offer any facts, scientific, data that disproves Dr. Raymond Soneira and the prevailing expert view on the subject of 4K, seating distance, screen size, visual acuity etc., how that plays a factor in determining whether or not 4K resolution is discernible, which goes to the issue of whether or not an end user should invest in a 4K set.

Isn’t that what the original poster wanted to know? Why not provide him/her with enough information to make a sound purchase decision? I thought forums like this and others (i.e. AVS Forum) was for the more informed consumer, above and beyond Joe Six Pack consumer who walks into a nearby Best Buy and see very bright (usually in the torch mode),un calibrated, oversaturated, LED display with 4K blazoned all over it and thinks its best looking thing he’s ever seen. I thought enthusiast forums such as this one is where people come so that they may be more informed.



The information I provided in my post was from multiple sources, not just from Carlton Bale and Dr. Raymond Soneira. I did that because I know experts sometimes have different opinions and views, some share the same view give or take a few differences. However in this case, you be hard pressed to find a credible expert that would differ with the likes of Dr. Soneira on this subject.

Let me say again, please don’t take what I’m saying personally, I don’t mean to be condescending. If I seem condescending, I do apologize. I’m not trying to prevent anyone from enjoying their display, to the contrary. I don’t see how I could do that unless I was standing right in front of your TV while you were trying to watch something. Please enjoy your display, but know that I’m your resident skeptic around here.

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