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ps3bd_owner · 07-14-2015, 12:12 PM

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I agree with you 100% sir. I actually believe Nintendo could flip it all around VERY quickly, and I sincerely hope they do.

It's times for Nintendo to turn a new leaf now. Enough of outdated mentalities.

GC Riot · 07-14-2015, 05:44 PM

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He was very kind to his employees, loved his job and was dedicated to it but him and modern gaming just never got along well. Wii U should've never been made because it was a terrible mistake which Nintendo can't back out now as it's too late.

I just hope that the next Nintendo home console doesn't have any of the nonsense that the Wii U and 3DS had.

Things that they need or should incorporate:

- Region free (so if a game is Japan-exclusive it's still playable)
- A proper UI
- No gimmicky bs (no stupid wannabe tablet or motion banana to wave around)
- Third party support from day one
- Blu-ray and DVD playback (as well as a media player for music and video files)
- Quality exclusive launch titles (Mario 3D like Sun/Gal, Mario Kart, Smash, F-Zero, Metroid)
- The console should be more or less as powerful as Sony/Microsoft's.

It shouldn't be too hard, really.

I don't necessarily agree with you. You want Nintendo to basically become an alternative to Steam/Xbox/PlayStation, but that's not how they work. Whereas those consoles are largely interchangeable with each other, Nintendo has always done something different, something that works more as a complement than direct competition. Being different is what really sets them apart, and while I agree with many points you are making here (highlighted in bold), I still believe they should continue going their own way and continue to offer up the unique experiences they do.

dyne · 07-14-2015, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GC Riot

Being different is what really sets them apart, and while I agree with many points you are making here (highlighted in bold), I still believe they should continue going their own way and continue to offer up the unique experiences they do.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Gamers are very cyclical. There will be a time when people love Nintendo again in droves and it won't be because of something they changed. Nintendo does what Nintendo does. I love my Wii U exactly because it's not like the other systems.

The main issue for them now isn't that they don't have the newest CoD, it's because there's such a drought between their 1st party releases. Granted more 3rd parties equals more games equals more systems sold but it's also a catch 22. 3rd parties don't release unless systems are sold. That leaves one constant and that's 1st party games. They just have too long a period between their big hitters. Hopefully most are in production and will be released in a steady cadence for the NX. I'd like to hope they've finally come to grips/speed with making HD games.

ps3bd_owner · 07-14-2015, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GC Riot

I don't necessarily agree with you. You want Nintendo to basically become an alternative to Steam/Xbox/PlayStation, but that's not how they work. Whereas those consoles are largely interchangeable with each other, Nintendo has always done something different, something that works more as a complement than direct competition. Being different is what really sets them apart, and while I agree with many points you are making here (highlighted in bold), I still believe they should continue going their own way and continue to offer up the unique experiences they do.

The aspects you bolded are the most important ones so as long as Nintendo gets that right they'll be considered to be part of the "console war" and will be remembered as a gaming company rather than a kiddy console.

Here in UK I don't really see a lot of Wii U games, if I get to see 5 that's considerably a lot than nothing at all. lol

masc360 · 07-14-2015, 07:58 PM

I think Nintendo needs to decide what they want their console to be. do they want to be the "one" console that every gamer has their core console. if they do then they need to at least have parity with the other consoles so 3rd parties will make games for their consoles.

If they want to be the second console that gamers have then i can see them doing something more experimental and being different.

Nintendo needs to knock it out of the park with their next console. if you go and look at the history of their consoles, every console ( with the exception of the wii) has sold less than the previous one.

ps3bd_owner · 07-14-2015, 08:09 PM

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I think Nintendo needs to decide what they want their console to be. do they want to be the "one" console that every gamer has their core console. if they do then they need to at least have parity with the other consoles so 3rd parties will make games for their consoles.

If they want to be the second console that gamers have then i can see them doing something more experimental and being different.

Nintendo needs to knock it out of the park with their next console. if you go and look at the history of their consoles, every console ( with the exception of the wii) has sold less than the previous one.

1) It'd be pretty tough for Nintendo to win back the fans/gamers they lost to PlayStation and Xbox, so they'd really have to do a miracle. Winning back such a huge crowd is complicated but maybe not entirely impossible.

2) If Nintendo remains with that mindset then they're never going to get better.

jimidini · 07-15-2015, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

Things that they need or should incorporate:

- Region free (so if a game is Japan-exclusive it's still playable)
- A proper UI
- No gimmicky bs (no stupid wannabe tablet or motion banana to wave around)
- Third party support from day one
- Blu-ray and DVD playback (as well as a media player for music and video files)
- Quality exclusive launch titles (Mario 3D like Sun/Gal, Mario Kart, Smash, F-Zero, Metroid)
- The console should be more or less as powerful as Sony/Microsoft's.

It shouldn't be too hard, really.

That list is a bit weird.

Iwata already said that region free for home console is probably a good idea, so I guess it was hopefully planned. Although I personally didn't import that many games on DS and especially PS3, because PS3 is basically pseudo-region-free. If you want to actually import lots of games and the games don't work properly because of silly bugs thanks to Sony switching around X and O buttons on Asian consoles w/o an option to switch that around and games not being programmed properly, then I can't count that as being actually region free. And Sony doesn't even give a crap about it at all. They don't force anyone to fix issues. They don't check for them. They don't care. Some games for example the last James Bond game is literally unbeatable on Asian PS3 consoles.

I hope that Nintendo does region free properly. As in games actually being region free. As in no region locked DLC. No "we will let you figure out from which store you have to buy the addon (and also violate the terms of service by creating an account outside of your actual region) and if you choose poorly we will just keep your money". And no weird issues because of bad system design (see X and O buttons).

Even Wii U had 3rd party support right at the start and on release day there was even a superb exclusive survival game called ZombiU (although yeah it was a bit broken on release, but that's Ubisoft and the typical 3rd party support nowadays). Anyway, just look at Wii. The best selling console last generation. And not even that one got great 3rd party support. I mean the type of 3rd party support that you are probably talking about.

Forget about Bluray + DVD playback. It won't happen. Otherwise Nintendo would have to force customers to pay for Bluray + DVD functionality, which means extra costs. And nowadays that's completely pointless. Who wants to use their console to play those things and not only doesn't own a standalone player, but also doesn't yet own for example a PS3, PS4 or something like that. DVD playback worked out for Sony with PS2. Bluray playback didn't work out at all with PS3. And now it's basically worthless. What Wii + Wii U supported is Netflix and NX will probably support that too. I'm pretty certain that NX won't support physical movie media and I personally think that that's a good thing.

And last but not least the exclusive launch titles won't really change that much. Metroid didn't sell that well, even on Wii. Sure, I would love to get a new Metroid Prime, but will it make the console to actually sell lots? I doubt it. Mario Kart 8 pushed a few Wii Us, but not that much. 3D World was also awesome and also didn't sell that many Wii Us. Release them all at release and it wouldn't have changed much. It's kinda funny, Wii U got us lots and lots and lots of extremely high quality exclusive games, and the console itself still sold like crap. PS4 on the other hand got lots and lots of PS3 ports and a tiny few exclusives (w/ quality issues, like long load times) and still sells way way better. Crazy world.

What's even the point. Let's say they would release NX with a new Smash, a new Metroid, a new Zelda and a new Mario. What's after that? Wouldn't that even result in people not buying all of those, even if they were extremely high quality? Although you will probably get a "new" Zelda as Wii U and NX release a la Twilight Princess on Gamecube + Wii.

In case Nintendo wants to offer a low price point (which would be a good idea, Wii U being too expensive was one of the problems. A $499 "more powerful than PS4" NX simply will not work), they surely won't go for "like PS4 or more powerful".

ps3bd_owner · 07-15-2015, 12:56 PM

This is going to be a reply rather a bit big, here goes.

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