8K is available yet 4K hangs on like a disease that killed someone dear to you. Why?

[Derb]

Originally Posted by steve1971

Why would I be interested in 8K when 4K dont interest me? 1080p HD is good enough for me thank you very much.

Some are still fond of,



So I get your point.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Taygan315

I love my current HDTV but I should have gone a bit bigger I'm realizing.

that is always true (i.e. all else being equal bigger is better when it comes to displays)

[ZoetMB]

From the SMPTE newsletter:

More NHK 8K on the Way
In early June, Japanese public broadcaster NHK, in partnership with Fox Sports and international soccer governing body FIFA, broadcast live Ultra HD/8K Women’s World Cup soccer matches from Canada to the Zanuck Theater on the 20th Century Fox lot in Los Angeles, as well as other sites in New York and Japan. The point of the demonstrations was to illustrate NHK’s ability to broadcast NHK’s Super Hi-Vision format (technically a format that combines 8K imagery at 60 fps with a 22.2 surround sound system) internationally in advance of the network’s stated goal of broadcasting the entire 2020 Tokyo Olympics that way as a launching point for 8K live-event broadcasting in Japan.

In combination with those demos, NHK announced that it also plans to experiment by recording several New York Yankee baseball games this fall, as well as the 2016 Super Bowl, according to a recent Hollywood Reporter article. The article states that NHK will be recording those events in Super Hi Vision, not broadcasting them live, in addition to doing some additional, limited, live satellite broadcasting of selected events from the Rio Olympics next summer, as part of an ongoing strategy to R&D, evolve, and improve the format in time for its big 2020 debut. NHK also plans to film concerts and make documentaries in this format, and to broadcast the 2018 Men’s World Cup in Super Hi-Vision, as well.

However, the current FIFA bribery scandal may impact whether that event takes place. Currently, for such events, NHK is utilizing the Ikegami 8K UHD field production camera system, which debuted at NAB earlier this year.

[img eL]

There's alot more to it than just resolution. Alot can be done still with 1080p

[dvdmike]

Lol this thread topic!!!

Two things will close it down


Content


Bandwidth


Done

[Strapped4Cash]

Rolling in my stretch limo
Passing all them peasants and they don't know
That I gots me da fly 8K up in here
Y'know if they spied my set up they'd all leer

Call me crazy
But I don't need no image that's hazy
It's just disrespectful and lazy
When you don't give the proper respect to Scorsese

Picture resolution so sweet, beyond what humans can even see
But I'll bask in it propping up my feet, knowing it is the best is enough for me
Friends, family, dates don't understand?
Then I fling them from my life like sand.

I ain't gonna be no punk
Talking about movie content, characterization or none of that bunk
It's all about the flash
My set up's ain't ever gonna be called trash

Ain't no addiction,
To always need the best without restriction
Never be satisfied with what you have
Always need more, never do it by halves

The best is only defined one way
And that's how I say it is baby
The only time I ever play
Is when I'm pressing the remote to start my newest 8K.

Word. I'm out.

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The possibility exists that the above post may contain sarcasm.

[d514]

35mm film has a resolution of about 3k to 5k. The cameras currently used in professional film making have a resolution of about 2k to 6k, but for most movies the post production is done in 2k, sometimes 4k. Most movies from the last 15 years only have 2k masters so you'd have to do all the post production again (including CGI) to bring it to 4k or 8k.

Only 65/70mm film and IMAX could really benefit from 8k but there are not many movies filmed on that material.

To produce 4k content is relatively easy: Scan any 35mm film produced between 1900 and 1999. Finish all new movies in 4k.

But there is no market and almost no source material for 8k.

[mohit9206]

All the people here who are scoffing at the mention of 8K televisions will probably be one of the first people on earth to buy one of those. 8K is inevitable just like 4K was inevitable.According to a few articles I've read, its believed that south Korean tv makers will start manufacturing 8K tvs from 2016 and global companies will begin from 2018. By 2020, 8K tvs will supersede 4K as the premium product and 4K will be relegated to the status 1080p tvs enjoy today while 1080p will become the new 720p. And people will buy 8K tvs. You know why? Because heavy marketing and advertising and sweet sweet laundry list of features. Technology is moving very fast and in less than five years 8K tvs will definitely be a thing. Whether or not 8K makes any difference compared to 4K and whether or not there is any actual 8K content to watch is irrelevant because early adopters don't care about that sort of thing. They like new shiny tech and that's all that matters.

[SillySauce]

Yet The Avengers: Age of Ultron used still used a 2k scan.

[Whirlygig]

I will not buy another television until my Panasonic plasmas die, or until Panasonic starts making plasmas again. Thank you have a nice day.

[Goremeister100]

Originally Posted by DavePS3

Ah... memories of Mad TV's 'Steven Segal's Letterbox 2000' skit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82j_Qfp_VA

[img eL]

Full Ultra High Definition is that the new un official name for 8K

[Canada]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Why is 4K talked about so much when 8K technology is already available? Can't we skip this over and avoid the inevitable while we can? 8K broadcasts are already starting in Japan. The hilarious thing is that we keep talking about 4K like it's the future when in fact 8K is already the present.

4K only has 6.220.800 more pixels than HD.
8K has a whopping 29.454.336 more pixels than 4K!

So as you can see 8K is a way bigger upgrade over 4K than 4K is over HD. By adopting 8K and skipping this temporary 4K nonsense we would automatically future proof ALL motion pictures filmed EVER, from Lawrence of Arabia and 2001: A Space Odyssey to newer releases like The Master and various IMAX films. Not to mention the fact that we could also shut down the debate of whether various 35mm films such as super 35mm ones benefit more from a 6K scan than a 4K one, since 8K obviously covers 6K. I blame the uninformed masses who are obviously satisfied with inferior technology and are ready to be milked for profits by corporations who would of course rather have them gradually buy into several technological steps when we could have it all right now.





Adopt 8K now!
8K master race! 4K and 2K = simpleton peasants.

Everyone would need projectors to see the full benefit of the resolution or have there nose literally pressed up against there TV.

[BluCoop]

I have to agree with most people on this thread. How are we already talking about 8K when 4k is just barely at our fingertips. Most people I know still don't even buy blurays, dvds are still being bought buy a lot of consumers. A lot of people just don't care that much about PQ, AQ and all the other quality features that people like about 4k or even blurays. I'm sure this 8K thing will eventually happen, but I only see a select percentage of people investing in that, just like 4k and just like bluray. Though blurays do have a good consumer basen now.

[d514]

Originally Posted by Goremeister100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82j_Qfp_VA

This reminds me of a skit by a German comedian (ca. 1976):

Loriot - Superscope - YouTube

[Show spoiler]
He's saying that German television has to save money but they are still ready to pay for something extraordinary. The USA developed a cinema screen that's over 100 meters wide and capable of showing sport events in original size. German TV was so impressed by these images that they paid 1.2 Million DM for them. We are about to see the 100m run from the world cup in superscope. "Please excuse the black bars".

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Nobody really needs UHD. Blu-ray with better bit depth, less compression, etc. would be more than enough.

Thus, ABSOLUTELY NO CONSUMER IN THE WORLD needs any sort of 8K.

At typical 55"-70" screen sizes, no. Tests have shown that even 4K can't be perceived in most footage by most viewers and that improved color gamut and HDR are far more perceivable by consumers. But if true wall-sized screens ever become popular like you see in futurist films - where the TV is not just used to watch broadcasts, but to make the walls invisible and create atmospheres, then you sort of do need 8K. In fact, you would need it more than a movie theatre would need it because viewing distances are so much closer in the home. You would also need it for 4K 3D, although I've heard rumblings that 3D is not part of the UHD spec.

Remember that in the still photography world, Nikon's D810 is 36.3 MP (7360 x 3912), Sony's A7RII is 42MP and Canon's 5DSR is 50.6MP (8688 x 5792). So we're already at 8K in still photography for images that are generally displayed at much smaller sizes than TV/Movies, except when blown up to billboard size. In another five years, they'll probably be 100MP.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Thus, ABSOLUTELY NO CONSUMER IN THE WORLD needs any sort of 8K.

Well given the limitations of human visual acuity and production hurdles aside, there might be a few benefits 8K would provide, namely, a wider angle of view (than even 4K compared to HD), which thusly would show more picture content and thusly enable a greater sense of reality. This could be of value to consumers watching documentaries comprising mostly of panoramic shots, something like so…

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

At typical 55"-70" screen sizes, no. Tests have shown that even 4K can't be perceived in most footage by most viewers and that improved color gamut and HDR are far more perceivable by consumers.

Which behooves making the point that despite all the hoopla in the blogger press about modern digital cameras having 14 or more f-stops of dynamic range and capable of capturing a wider color gamut than P3, I can not overemphasize the relatively unknown (by Tech writers) significance as to the value of shooting in RAW and from there….

going thru a high quality workflow (i.e. openEXR with 16bit float) and ending in a 16bit master….rather than the imagery being truncated down to a lesser quality file format which is commonly done in many productions, i.e. they don’t harvest all the possible range of the camera recording because it is then squished down by the post house (often to a 10-bit DPX type file) in order to become more bandwidth friendly.

[mysticwaterfall]

Originally Posted by img eL

Full Ultra High Definition is that the new un official name for 8K

I was hoping for Super Awesome Magical HD myself.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Thus, ABSOLUTELY NO CONSUMER IN THE WORLD needs any sort of 8K.

Or, if as a consumer, aerial-type docs are not your bag, same concept (8K providing even greater picture content than 4K) would apply to seeing more of the pitch (field) of a soccer match – http://www.whathifi.com/news/5-thing...sport-ultra-hd

Or, if motorsports are more your thing, then 8K could provide viewers the ability to see even more of the race course (than 4K) so as to follow all the individual battles on the track, all at once, with MotoGP – http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...e-match-814111

For a more immersive viewing experience due to its ability to show more picture content all at once, I’d like it (8K), if it weren’t such a bandwidth hog and thusly jeopardizes the ability to bring to fruition other UHD parameters (HFR, HDR).