UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[scorpiontail60]

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

[bobbydrugar]

but if I sell off or stop buying blu-rays what will I watch for the next 5 years while I am waiting for the next big thing or my equipment to wear out?

There just isn't a compelling enough difference to make me replace thousands of dollars worth of equipment. High-Def is High-Def enough for me on my 55" tv from around 10' away. I can't see pixels and i can tell the difference between black, white, and grey. I also can still even if just barely make out the differences between Red, Green, Blu, yellow, and there might even be a few other shades in there as well.

More white then white or more black then black or more green then green just not enough to scrap it all and start over.

Just my feels on this.
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[Falaskan]

I will get Star Wars and LOTR in 4k, maybe the Sound of Music, but I'm not rebuying anything else.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

You mean you have access to highly compressed 4K content. I imagine UHD will blow these 4K offerings away in terms of compression and color.

[Kano on the phone]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

This is the part where you realize you actual have no access to native 4K content and no blu-rays. 😂😂

[Leterface]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

Really better than Blu-ray?

[42041]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I will get Star Wars and LOTR in 4k, maybe the Sound of Music, but I'm not rebuying anything else.

I think you'll be waiting a long time for UHD...

[jonmoz]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

Not sure if serious.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by 42041

I think you'll be waiting a long time for UHD...

Nah.

[Banned User]

Well I see it as I collect films, not discs and like to have a library of titles. I still have a lot of DVD's I still watch.

It's taken long enough for Bluray to start releasing more obscure titles or older films. I can see we will go through quite a few years of UHD with the same titles being released like when HDDVD and Bluray released. You know the ones Casablanca, Wizard of Oz , Blade Runner etc. Only for the Studio's to come to the conclusion again they aren't big sellers, physical media's dead, streaming is the future etc. If anything I fear this will kill the Bluray momentum and many titles we still haven't seen will be that further off if ever.

For a lot of the films I collect the difference between 2k and 4k will be nominal. If some films I want, and don't currently have, come out in 4k UHD then my library will consist of DVD's, Blurays and UHD's.

Also the majority of American's don't have the bandwidth to get Bluray quality let alone 4k quality streaming or lossless audio.

I do like some of the new features for UHD like the color enhancements and other tech. For black and white films this won't come into play plus some of those films, the ones with special effects, already look crisp and detailed to the point of ruining much of the illusions there.

[cheecheung]

Originally Posted by PrestonXI

In theory, absolutely. I understand that 35mm has much more resolution than 2k or even 4k will allow. However, if you look at some Blu Ray releases of older, they are often plagued with issues like DNR etc that don't even utilize the Blu Ray format properly. If a lot of films were not treated properly on Blu Ray, why would they be treated properly on another format? Furthermore, is there even a reasonable demand for some lesser known films in another format when a lot of films are still not even available on Blu Ray in 2015?

I couldn't agree more. This is what I am trying to explain to Geoff D.

[The Great Owl]

Kino released a five-movie British Noir collection on DVD last week, and my box set arrived in the mail today.

I have a funny feeling that I will not have to double-dip for an Ultra HD Blu-ray of this set any time soon.

[scorpiontail60]

Originally Posted by cheecheung

Is there a list available of the movies in 4K? Thanks

When I'm bored I think I'll make one

Netflix, Amazon, Sony, etc. their selection is all rather poorly documented.

Here's what VIDITY has though!
http://www.mgo.com/list/uhd-with-download-beta

M-Go VIDITY's 4K w/ HDR downloads are GORGEOUS!

http://4k.com/movies/

[cheecheung]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

When I'm bored I think I'll make one

Netflix, Amazon, Sony, etc. their selection is all rather poorly documented.

Here's what VIDITY has though!
http://www.mgo.com/list/uhd-with-download-beta

M-Go VIDITY's 4K w/ HDR downloads are GORGEOUS!

http://4k.com/movies/

Thanks. Waiting for you to get bored now so you'll get a list up.

[YodasFootPowder]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

DVD sales still smash Blu-ray sales, and you think buying Blu-ray is a mistake cause UHD is going to take over? I'm not sure how anyone could reasonably think that. With that said, I dig how you run an Xbox360 on that 4k TV, which runs most games at sub-720p. LOL!

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

Even if this is true, you don't get to keep what you stream. That's been said over and over again. There's tons of stuff sadly that has been remastered in 2k and available for streaming but not available on blu-ray, and the same will be true for 4k and UHD. So I see nothing wrong with buying films on disc when they are available for purchase.

Why do so many people think that their favorite films will forever remain available for streaming? And again, maybe you don't have data caps, but many, many people do.

[mar3o]

Originally Posted by Leterface

Really better than Blu-ray?

I can imagine perhaps in terms of detail and resolution, but the bitrate is starved, and there's sure to be high compression, even if they use H265. And what about the audio bitrate? Streaming options for movies mean lousy audio quality.

I'm referring of course to the standard offerings, but in reality, that's what most people use. Itunes, Amazon, Netflix, Vudu - it's all crap.

[BMM]

Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

I have access to the following sources of 4K content --

Amazon
Netflix
UltraFlix
M-Go with VIDITY
Sony FMP-X10 with Video Unlimited 4K service

And I will tell you right now that continuing to invest in Blu-ray is a big mistake. Already I am seeing tons of 4K remasters of older / more obscure stuff popping up on these services. And even though some of these services are bitrate starved, like Amazon and Netflix, they still look better than Blu-ray.

I'm actually selling off chunks of my Blu-ray collection that consist of titles currently available on these services. And of course UHD Blu-ray will blow them all away. There is a lot of 4K transfers out there that studios are sitting on to push out to 4K digital services and UHD Blu-ray.

I only have access to one of those services(Netflix) and even with 100mb internet sometimes it can be a pain in the ass streaming 1080p content. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to stream 4k. On top of that, the data usage for 4k is insane. It was just revealed the other day that one episode of Breaking Bad in 4k on Netflix was 18gb. If you have an ISP that imposes monthly data caps streaming 4k content doesn't look like a viable option.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by BMM

I only have access to one of those services(Netflix) and even with 100mb internet sometimes it can be a pain in the ass streaming 1080p content. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to stream 4k. On top of that, the data usage for 4k is insane. It was just revealed the other day that one episode of Breaking Bad in 4k on Netflix was 18gb. If you have an ISP that imposes monthly data caps streaming 4k content doesn't look like a viable option.

Unless you pay another $30 bucks a month to the shysters at Comcast to lift said overly restrictive cap.

[scorpiontail60]

Originally Posted by YodasFootPowder

DVD sales still smash Blu-ray sales, and you think buying Blu-ray is a mistake cause UHD is going to take over? I'm not sure how anyone could reasonably think that. With that said, I dig how you run an Xbox360 on that 4k TV, which runs most games at sub-720p. LOL!

Actually it runs most games at 720p, that's the PS3 you're thinking of.

Red Dead Redemption for example is 720p on the Xbox 360 and 640p on the PS3.

I don't really play it much these days. You will note there is also an Xbox One in the picture; I also have a PS4 and a Wii U that are not pictured. I am primarily a PC gamer though; I only keep the peasant boxes around for the exclusives. I have a PC with SLI GTX 980 Ti's in it, so I use my PC on my Samsung JS9500 4K TV to play most games @ 4K + 60 FPS. The Samsung JS9500 is also the only active 3D 4K TV that supports side-by-side 3D at 4K resolution -- so I often play PC games not only in 4K, but also in stereoscopic 3D. Add that to all the other features this display has such as its curved screen -- and it is a very immersive experience.

Originally Posted by mar3o

Even if this is true, you don't get to keep what you stream. That's been said over and over again. There's tons of stuff sadly that has been remastered in 2k and available for streaming but not available on blu-ray, and the same will be true for 4k and UHD. So I see nothing wrong with buying films on disc when they are available for purchase.

Why do so many people think that their favorite films will forever remain available for streaming? And again, maybe you don't have data caps, but many, many people do.

This is the case for 'unlimited' streaming services like Amazon Prime and Netflix, where licenses will eventually expire, but not necessarily so for the download services where you pay for a license to access the content in perpetuity. Some day those servers may go down, I'm sure, but hopefully by that point piracy of 4K content will be widespread which will render that point moot. If the servers ever go down for the service you purchased content from, you should be able to pirate it to get it back. But you're right, physical is better and I can't wait for UHD Blu-ray. I don't like being forced to rely on piracy as my backup plan.

Originally Posted by BMM

I only have access to one of those services(Netflix) and even with 100mb internet sometimes it can be a pain in the ass streaming 1080p content. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to stream 4k. On top of that, the data usage for 4k is insane. It was just revealed the other day that one episode of Breaking Bad in 4k on Netflix was 18gb. If you have an ISP that imposes monthly data caps streaming 4k content doesn't look like a viable option.

Good thing I don't have a shitty ISP then. I push terabytes of data every month. Netflix's 4K streams are paltry compared to downloading a Blu-ray Disc; an entire season of a 4K show on Netflix uses less bandwidth than downloading Blu-ray discs for that whole season. These streaming services all work flawlessly for me.

Also, you are mistaken - Netflix encodes all of their 4K videos using HEVC at a 16 Mbps bitrate -- so an episode of Breaking Bad is [(16 / 8 * 60)*44] == 5.28 GB.

Compare that to an episode of the Netflix show 'Orange is the New Black' on Blu-ray, where the file size of the .m2ts file for each episode of the show is ~10 GB. Netflix 4K uses half the bitrate of a typical Blu-ray which is ~30 Mbps.