Godzilla vs. Kong (2021)

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

My favorite "So Bad, It's Good" Godzilla movie is Godzilla vs. Megalon. I love that one.

Now you're whetting my appetite for Godzilla: Final Wars.

Destroy All Monsters is indeed boring and overrated.

I love Godzilla vs. Megalon, too. To me, what makes that movie worse than some of the others, isn't so much the silliness, but the production values. It just looks cheap to me for some reason, despite having cool costumes for Godzilla, Jet Jaguar, Gigan and Megalon. Maybe it's just the film quality hasn't held up through the years like most other Godzilla films of Showa era.

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I agree completely, Final Wars is a great "so bad it's good" movie. It's so completely insane and over the top, I've said it before but it's basically a live action cartoon. Lots of humor both intentional and unintentional. I love that Gigan got to return (with a really cool redesign and his old personality intact) and Kazuki Kitamura hams it up to a ridiculous degree as the main villain. And yes, it's much more fun than Destroy All Monsters.

Yes! Glad to see I'm not the only one who appreciates the movie. It really seems to divide a lot of Big G fans.

[z3speed4me]

Please do not do a King Kong vs Godzilla... it's just as bad of an idea as another Fantastic 4 film.

Bring back a fan favorite like Anguirus not Kong. The movie would basically be like this:

Bambi Meets Godzilla Original (1969) - YouTube

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Yes! Glad to see I'm not the only one who appreciates the movie. It really seems to divide a lot of Big G fans.

It does, and it's not that hard to see why. The same things that make it supremely entertaining to us is what makes it obnoxious to others, I'd guess. I also think it doesn't help that it was the 50th anniversary film; that was a big year for Godzilla and Toho hyped it up more than usual, so I think fans had very high expectations.

[Himmel]

If they`re smart they will have Dr. Serizawa (Ken Watanabe) in this since it`s Legendary`s Godzilla that will fight Kong.

[kemcha]

What has made the Godzilla franchise interesting is its ability to have all new cast members for each film. I hope that Legendary starts casting more Asian actors for the sequels, not just your obligatory Asian actor.

Ken Watanabe is an excellent actor but there are many others they could cast. Such as Chow Yun Fat, Donnie Yen, Jet Li and many others. But, the problem with Hollywood is that they don't know how to handle Asian film properties and continue to whitewash these films.

But, I'd be curious to see Legendary produce a Gamera film franchise. While I grew up on the original films, I actually enjoyed Shusuke Kaneko's (金子修介) trilogy as his take on the kaiju represented a more adult version of Gamera. I honestly didn't enjoy Gamera The Brave since it harkened back to the kiddie version of the kaiju.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Throw the Cybermen into the mix and I'll be happy.

Originally Posted by L.J.

Have always liked both franchises but not sure about this. Godzilla is so much bigger than Kong would there really be much of a fight. Seems to much would rather them be kept separate.

Who cares?

A giant lizard requires a suspension of disbelief anyway. Neither Godzilla or King Kong are supposed to be 'realistic'.

[kemcha]

It could also be that Godzilla is going to get his revenge on King Kong:

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Throw the Cybermen into the mix and I'll be happy.


Who cares?

A giant lizard requires a suspension of disbelief anyway. Neither Godzilla or King Kong are supposed to be 'realistic'.

Godzilla has always been a giant that towers over tall buildings, Kong hasn't. Audiences will have a issue buying this aspect of the film.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

It still wasn't some ultra cheap, low budget production by the - again - Japanese standards of the time though. It was the first Godzilla film in color, the first one with a stereo soundtrack, etc. It wouldn't be if they had tried to make it as cheap as possible.

I don't see how Godzilla fighting a giant ape is a "sillier" concept than him fighting giant moths, spiders, space dragons, robots or whatever other giant creatures, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. There's also nothing to say Kong would have to be powered up by lightning in this movie, my guess is he'd just rely on brute strength and his superior intelligence when fighting Godzilla.

Its sillier because those other characters were all originally created and giant world threatening monsters but Kong was not. Kong as originally created was just meant to be a very large beast who kidnaps a woman and destroys himself because of his obsession. He was not some city destroying indestructible force of nature as Toho monsters usually are

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

If they really are planning a crossover then it'd make sense to use the upcoming Skull Island as an opportunity to introduce the Kong that will end up fighting Godzilla later on. Only potential problem I can see is, if a gorilla that big lives on Skull Island, some of the other creatures that inhabit the island would have to be scaled up as well and then you wonder how there'd even be enough room for all of them. It'd have to be a huge island. There's also the issue of, how does Kong do all his typical Kong stuff if he's that big?

Right it would essentially make Skull Island more like Monster Island and sizing everything up to such a ridiculous degree I think takes away from the lost prehistoric world that Skull Island is suppose to have into more of everything is gigantic Honey I shrunk the kids vibe

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by kemcha

What has made the Godzilla franchise interesting is its ability to have all new cast members for each film. I hope that Legendary starts casting more Asian actors for the sequels, not just your obligatory Asian actor.

Ken Watanabe is an excellent actor but there are many others they could cast. Such as Chow Yun Fat, Donnie Yen, Jet Li and many others. But, the problem with Hollywood is that they don't know how to handle Asian film properties and continue to whitewash these films.

Legendary's Godzilla is an American production that mostly takes place in America and features American citizens as its characters. It stands to reason that you'd see a lot more people of European ancestry than Asian, right? I don't really see that as a big issue.

I'm all for diversity though and wouldn't be opposed to tossing in a couple more Asian characters in the sequels. I'm surprised however that you only listed actors from Hong Kong and China. If we're including Asian actors to respect the series' roots, shouldn't they be Japanese?

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Its sillier because those other characters were all originally created and giant world threatening monsters but Kong was not. Kong as originally created was just meant to be a very large beast who kidnaps a woman and destroys himself because of his obsession. He was not some city destroying indestructible force of nature as Toho monsters usually are

I'm sorry, I still don't really understand how a different, larger version of Kong is that silly. Most of those other Godzilla monsters have both increased and decreased significantly in size over the years. Legendary's Godzilla is absolutely massive compared to the Showa version, is that silly too?

Right it would essentially make Skull Island more like Monster Island and sizing everything up to such a ridiculous degree I think takes away from the lost prehistoric world that Skull Island is suppose to have into more of everything is gigantic Honey I shrunk the kids vibe

I dunno, it could work. We'll have to wait and see where they're going with it.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'm sorry, I still don't really understand how a different, larger version of Kong is that silly. Most of those other Godzilla monsters have both increased and decreased significantly in size over the years. Legendary's Godzilla is absolutely massive compared to the Showa version, is that silly too?

I think people still have it in their heads that Kong should be able to climb a skyscraper, not be as big as one.

[Rory]

Based on the last Godzilla film, how much is there to get excited about? Most probably the pattern will be repeated: two hours of a movie with human characters talking and running around all in support of about five to ten minutes of CGI -- because that's all the producers can afford. So, we really should be arguing about the little mini CGI movie inside the larger, boring, regular movie. Does anyone really care about what most of these movies deal with, that being not very interesting human characters and their equally uninteresting problems -- other than being bothered by monsters?

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'm sorry, I still don't really understand how a different, larger version of Kong is that silly. Most of those other Godzilla monsters have both increased and decreased significantly in size over the years. Legendary's Godzilla is absolutely massive compared to the Showa version, is that silly too?

Well Godzilla was sized up 10 fold but Kong would have to be sized up a thousand fold to be stand up to Legendary's Godzilla

Plus while yes Godzilla was made even larger in recent movies in the original he was still an indestructible monster that towered above buildings. Kong was little more than a very large ape that was never anything close to indestructible. So yes changing Kong into something that can take on Godzilla is a much larger change to the character's nature than Legendary sizing up Godzilla a bit

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Well Godzilla was sized up 10 fold but Kong would have to be sized up a thousand fold to be stand up to Legendary's Godzilla

Plus while yes Godzilla was made even larger in recent movies in the original he was still an indestructible monster that towered above buildings. Kong was little more than a very large ape that was never anything close to indestructible. So yes changing Kong into something that can take on Godzilla is a much larger change to the character's nature than Legendary sizing up Godzilla a bit

That's why Kong will most likely be a guardian beast.

[morningtoke]

2014 Godzilla would stomp 2005 King Kong, although I enjoyed King Kong a lot more than Godzilla.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

I think people still have it in their heads that Kong should be able to climb a skyscraper, not be as big as one.

Well, sure. Personally though, I wouldn't need him to climb buildings while he was fighting Godzilla.

Originally Posted by Rory

Based on the last Godzilla film, how much is there to get excited about? Most probably the pattern will be repeated: two hours of a movie with human characters talking and running around all in support of about five to ten minutes of CGI -- because that's all the producers can afford. So, we really should be arguing about the little mini CGI movie inside the larger, boring, regular movie. Does anyone really care about what most of these movies deal with, that being not very interesting human characters and their equally uninteresting problems -- other than being bothered by monsters?

They've said there's going to be more monster action in the sequel(s).

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Well Godzilla was sized up 10 fold but Kong would have to be sized up a thousand fold to be stand up to Legendary's Godzilla

Plus while yes Godzilla was made even larger in recent movies in the original he was still an indestructible monster that towered above buildings. Kong was little more than a very large ape that was never anything close to indestructible. So yes changing Kong into something that can take on Godzilla is a much larger change to the character's nature than Legendary sizing up Godzilla a bit

I can see where you're coming from, it wouldn't bother me though, I'd be okay with a bigger Kong for this movie. We should probably just agree to disagree here because I think we'll keep going in circles otherwise.

[Zivouhr]

That does make sense that King Kong might be the protector of the humans in this one. Godzilla will eventually return to the

[Show spoiler]ocean as he always does.

Even so, it's fun to watch when the focus is on the giants.

[kemcha]

From what I'm hearing, it sounds like they want to have more kaiju in the film, making it more of an All Monsters Attack. I remember reading an interview where Garth said his two favorite Godzilla films were Gojira (1954) and All Monsters Attack and that bringing King Kong to Legendary was the first step in that process.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Godzilla has always been a giant that towers over tall buildings, Kong hasn't. Audiences will have a issue buying this aspect of the film.

I doubt it. I think most people won't care.

[MechaGodzilla]

Kong: Skull Island Script Contains References to 2014’s Godzilla, Pacific Rim 2 Indefinitely Delayed

Kong: Skull Island script will set the stage for his showdown with Godzilla!

Last week, it was revealed that Legendary’s upcoming reboot of King Kong, titled Kong: Skull Island, had moved hands from Universal Studios to Warner Bros. Pictures and with it would set up a confrontation between the great ape and the king of the monsters, Godzilla.

In a new report on the transition, The Hollywood Reporter revealed an interesting nugget about the Kong: Skull Island script. The outlet reports that the script makes reference to the monster-hunting organization Monarch from 2014’s Godzilla, for which Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins were employees, already planting the seeds for the big-screen fight that likely won’t debut until 2019 at the earliest.

Ever since the reveal that another King Kong vs. Godzilla was in the cards, the idea has drawn criticism because of the colossal size of Godzilla compared to what will clearly be a dwarfed King Kong. An insider tells THR that: “Legendary is confident it can come up with a rationale to explain how Kong and Godzilla can do battle — and possibly become allies.”

In other Legendary news, THR also corroborates a report from Latino Review about the upcoming Pacific Rim 2. Initial reports revealed that the film had been previously delayed a few months, but the outlet now says the film has been “halted indefinitely.” The Guillermo del Toro film was set for release on August 4, 2017.

Kong: Skull Island, which is being directed by The Kings of Summer‘s Jordan Vogt-Roberts from a script by John Gatins and Max Borenstein, aims to fully immerse audiences in the mysterious and dangerous home of the king of the apes as a team of explorers ventures deep inside the treacherous, primordial island. Legendary’s story honors the foundations of existing King Kong lore, but places it in an entirely new, distinct timeline. Set for release March 10, 2017, the film will star Tom Hiddleston, Brie Larson, Toby Kebbell, Jason Mitchell, Corey Hawkins, John C. Reilly, Samuel L. Jackson, and Tom Wilkinson.

Before Kong and Godzilla come to blows, a Godzilla sequel will be released, featuring a script by Max Borenstein and the return of Gareth Edwards as director. It has been hinted that we will see some other famous Kaiju, such as Rodan, Mothra and King Ghidorah, although none have been fully confirmed at this time. It’s set for release on June 8, 2018.

Credit goes to Chaotic for linking to the article in the Pacific Rim 2 thread.