AMC's "Fear The Walking Dead" (Season 8)

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

What was with the plane? Someone else mentioned a plane earlier also - every episode they look at a plane in the sky....and this one you're thinking it's gonna crash, then it sharply corrects itself.

And I know I'm nitpicking....but you have the military blowing away anyone who even remotely looks messed up and when they ask her about the fresh dug grave they simply accept that they buried a dog without even a second thought....not likely. At least make the soldier pause and play things through in his head before saying screw it and moving on.

The plane contains a character that will be introduced in the next season.

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by Thomas Veil

Wow I'm shocked, I expected to hear a bunch of hate for this last one. I was a big defender of the first two but thought this third episode was terrible. The writing was atrocious regarding character actions and just the lay out of the area....hey maybe open a window or open a door instead of running through the maze to warn Travis.

All of a sudden Travis forgets everything that happened the first two episodes and acts totally different this one. I also feel like I'm watching a documentary on drug addiction and family dysfunction more than a show about zombies. Ugh. Not a likable character in the bunch....maybe the daughter of Ruben Blades family but that's it. Frankly I don't see how a show can survive if you don't care what happens to the characters. Heck I care more about the characters in Z-Nation than this...by far.

Oh and I'm sure the military would send two helicopters and half the army to protect that crap neighborhood knowing that this stuff is going on all over LA. Please.

Will hang in there but other than the hospital scene this one episode was garbage.

A few Humvees, trucks and a small company of soldiers is half our army? It's smaller than I thought. I couldn't possibly disagree more with your other statements.

[neoz]

I was about to comment on the military thing as well. Having been in the Army myself and all.

[CRAZYKAT]

I would have liked to have seen some of the rioters and looters getting munched on by some of the zombies that were out there walking around among them. I caught the shot of the police Sargent chewing on a fellow officer that was in riot gear, but a lot of those rioters and looters that were confronting law enforcement will be needing help from them soon.

Yeah, I guess I'm getting caught up in this series, and just waiting for Episode 4.

[neoz]

Originally Posted by CRAZYKAT

I would have liked to have seen some of the rioters and looters getting munched on by some of the zombies that were out there walking around among them. I caught the shot of the police Sargent chewing on a fellow officer that was in riot gear, but a lot of those rioters and looters that were confronting law enforcement will be needing help from them soon.

Yeah, I guess I'm getting caught up in this series, and just waiting for Episode 4.

I was thinking that as well. I'm like do these idiots not see this happening? I mean the guy is eating another guy...stupid protesters. I'm glad the will all die anyway, nothing but trouble. Looting and rioting...then the things go super South who do they want help from? Oh the every people that were trying to keep things orderly.

[Thomas Veil]

Originally Posted by Captain Flint

A few Humvees, trucks and a small company of soldiers is half our army? It's smaller than I thought. I couldn't possibly disagree more with your other statements.

Oh come on dude, like I really meant half an army gheesh. How about this there was way too many military personnel for one crap neighborhood. Not to mention your forgot two large helicopters. I hate to tell you but if a zombie outbreak ever happens you will be sorely disappointed on who shows up to protect you lol. Do you realize the size of LA not to mention it's happening all over the country? Like I said I enjoyed the first two but that episode was a nose dive. I love the original series and enjoyed the first two but I'm not going to be a fan boy and buy into everything just because of my like of the shows.

[Thomas Veil]

Originally Posted by neoz

I was about to comment on the military thing as well. Having been in the Army myself and all.

I'm sure with numerous zombie encounters as well.

[neoz]

Originally Posted by Thomas Veil

I'm sure with numerous zombie encounters as well.

Well I was going to comment on what you said early in the the sense of this. Looking from what they were doing is sort of standard.

I'm sure they had units all over the city and surrounding suburbs.
And it isn't about zombies. What they were doing is similar to urban warfare/natural disaster work.
Looks to me that it was patrol. Again, they (The Government) doesn't know that it is zombies. All they know that something is making people sick so they are treating it like a natural disaster. The helicopters that flew overhead (what I remember) were supply helicopters. They were probably transporting to or from the FOB that has been established somewhere which we are about to see.

And zombie encounters? Granted this is a tv show but that doesn't mean that the same things we train do to in the Army don't apply to a scenario like this. If you haven't served then you have not right to say anything as you don't know the military SOP.

[jayman3]

Ugh....last night's episode had moments of greatness but the rest fell flat for me. I'm sorry but this show is nowhere near the level of The Walking Dead is when it comes to delivering thrills.

I found myself in a bore watching this episode. I enjoyed the first half hour or so but near the last twenty minutes, I wasn't even paying attention.

The only thing keeping me from not watching is it helps tide me over with a zombie "fix" until The Walking Dead comes on.

[neoz]

^^^
The same can be said about TWD when it first came out and or any other show during it's First Season. It takes time to some shows to find their footing before they really take off/get good.
Look at ST: TNG, that show really didn't pick up till about it's 3rd Season.

I mean I like this show but I'm not saying that it will be great or anything. I'm willing to give it a chance. And if anything it just gives me more insight about the overall Walking Dead universe.

[MattO]

I'm enjoying the series and thought last night's episode was a good one. I'm open to the fact that, based on the blurb from next week's episode, this neighborhood is getting some extra attention in getting cleared because it's near one of the many staging areas for military units. That makes some sense, right?

I don't agree that the government wouldn't understand the nature of this crisis at this point. At this point there are several days worth of documented encounters, and you'd have emergency responders with many more feeding information back to the authorities.

So I'm liking the ride with this show but, if I step back, it's not doing what I was hoping it would - convince me that the zombies following the "rules" of this world would overcome humanity. It would be too easy to contain these walkers. I think ignorance and confusion could maybe allow it to get to where there is 1 walker to every 100,000 people, but I think that's generous.

We were introduced to this world through Rick's eyes where his personal ignorance coincided nicely with ours. In FtWD, we're seeing a spread taking place during an operational information age. Even if it's the course of a few days, it's enough time. Could I see a major disruption to society and breakdown of civilization in areas? Absolutely! I'm just not sold on the scenario where the walkers have the, er, walk of the place.

[neoz]

It could happen. Sure we live in an age now where information is instant. Even back in 2010 it was like that. But...you have to remember, when the gird goes down it just doesn't hop back up. We were without power in 08 here for 3 weeks. Some people it took even longer. Lines had to be replaced and poles and everything. It was terrible, and that was just on a local level. Imagine if that is world wide level. I mean I could see the world plunging into chaos very easily and quickly. They don't know what they are dealing with as well. They still think it is something like an illness. By that thinking, they are going to try and treat it. Plus I don't think many people are willing to just shoot someone in the head. Imagine your loved one turning during the outbreak and you not knowing what it is. Would you just shoot them or try to get them help? Again, I can see the it going crazy quick.

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by neoz

^^^
The same can be said about TWD when it first came out and or any other show during it's First Season. It takes time to some shows to find their footing before they really take off/get good.
Look at ST: TNG, that show really didn't pick up till about it's 3rd Season.

I mean I like this show but I'm not saying that it will be great or anything. I'm willing to give it a chance. And if anything it just gives me more insight about the overall Walking Dead universe.

I don't know, the first season of TWD had me hooked.

The only positive outlook I have for Fear is how "realistic" the character actions/responses are to the outbreak. They feel like actual people. You and me. They're nowhere near the unbelievably superheroic ability like our favorite Walking Dead survivors are.

[Malik True]

Enjoyed the ep but that false sense of security Travis mentioned in regards to everything getting back to normal will play out with disastrous results.

[neoz]

haha tell me about it. I don't know if I would be good hand to hand if saw 10 or 15 Walkers attacked me.

[Gamma_Winstead]

I've loved this show so far! The only thing that bothers me was the dog. Dogs aren't stupid. No dog would sit there and bark at a zombie like that. That was just dumb. It's just not how those kind of animals behave. He wasn't a random human, it's a zombie. Something supernatural, something new to the world. Dogs don't run after tornados. Hell, most dogs can sense emotions, and if you believe in it, the paranormal. They don't sit there and bark at someone that's angry. They cower and hide.

Worst was the idea that somehow, a dog with an open space managed to get caught by a walker. Like... Really?

Other than that, I really enjoyed the episode and can't wait for next week!

[Almost_Famous]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

I've loved this show so far! The only thing that bothers me was the dog. Dogs aren't stupid. No dog would sit there and bark at a zombie like that. That was just dumb. It's just not how those kind of animals behave. He wasn't a random human, it's a zombie. Something supernatural, something new to the world. Dogs don't run after tornados. Hell, most dogs can sense emotions, and if you believe in it, the paranormal. They don't sit there and bark at someone that's angry. They cower and hide.

Worst was the idea that somehow, a dog with an open space managed to get caught by a walker. Like... Really?

Agree with this, even the dogs have poor character development.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

I've loved this show so far! The only thing that bothers me was the dog. Dogs aren't stupid. No dog would sit there and bark at a zombie like that. That was just dumb. It's just not how those kind of animals behave. He wasn't a random human, it's a zombie. Something supernatural, something new to the world. Dogs don't run after tornados. Hell, most dogs can sense emotions, and if you believe in it, the paranormal. They don't sit there and bark at someone that's angry. They cower and hide.

Worst was the idea that somehow, a dog with an open space managed to get caught by a walker. Like... Really?

Other than that, I really enjoyed the episode and can't wait for next week!

The dog part bothered me too. Those dogs can take down humans, with human intelligence, in real life. They often take down fleeing criminals, who may be panicky or dangerous. This dog was already threatened by the Walker (barking at him and drawing attention towards him), and when the Walker wandered in, we saw the dog running around avoiding him.

So how the hell does a mindless Walker bring down a German Shepard? That's a big dog -- a big dog that's threatened. He's agitated, he's in fight mode. That animal would bring down a stumbling Walker no problem. I don't know how a lone Walker can bring down a German Shepard.

It annoyed me, even if it is nitpicking.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Malik True

Enjoyed the ep but that false sense of security Travis mentioned in regards to everything getting back to normal will play out with disastrous results.

Yeah, a lot of the characters -- especially Travis and Madison -- are in "we'll ride it out" mode. That's their mentality. Only Tobias is in "this is the end of the world mode." Travis and Madison have that belief that something terrible is happening, but the government and the military will get it under control, and then life will go back to normal.

When Hurricane Katrina happened, or a huge tsunami, or a huge earthquake that kills thousands of people, most people have that mentality of, "this is a tragedy, but we'll ride it out, things will get cleaned up, then life will go back to normal." Travis, Madison, mostly everyone else, they're in that mindset where they think this is some bump in the road before normalcy returns.

We know the world goes to hell and effectively ends, they don't. Travis is kind of being like Hershel right now, too, thinking these are just sick people -- unaware they're dead and there's no coming back from it. It'll be interesting to see how Travis develops going forward. Madison was ready to put down Susan, so she's developing a lot quicker.

From the sneak peek for episode four, with Madison seeing what dire straights the neighborhood is in, I think she's going to be ahead of the curve and start realizing this is deeper than a temporary dilemma that the family just needs to "ride out."

[MattO]

Originally Posted by neoz

It could happen. Sure we live in an age now where information is instant. Even back in 2010 it was like that. But...you have to remember, when the gird goes down it just doesn't hop back up. We were without power in 08 here for 3 weeks. Some people it took even longer. Lines had to be replaced and poles and everything. It was terrible, and that was just on a local level. Imagine if that is world wide level. I mean I could see the world plunging into chaos very easily and quickly. They don't know what they are dealing with as well. They still think it is something like an illness. By that thinking, they are going to try and treat it. Plus I don't think many people are willing to just shoot someone in the head. Imagine your loved one turning during the outbreak and you not knowing what it is. Would you just shoot them or try to get them help? Again, I can see the it going crazy quick.

I'm saying it couldn't reach that critical mass where the infrastructure would go down in the first place, though. You'd need a lot of walkers before that happened, and there just isn't a mechanism to get them up to that critical mass.

I could try to get into a mathematical model but I don't want to go full frontal nerd right now. But let's say that only half of incidents of attack and infection get reported to the authorities. I think that's low, but let's say that's the case. By the time you get up to 1,000 walkers nationwide, you have 500 incidents of first responders interacting with walkers, and almost all of those incidents will eventually involve the police, because society is still functioning and that's what you do with violence.

Roughly 500 police interactions is easily enough to put the essential data into the hands of authorities, and way too much interaction to keep it out of the media as we see in the show. At the point we see police interacting with walkers in the show, they would have had days worth of information fed to them about this condition based on hundreds of incidents.

It just doesn't work as depicted. Don't get me wrong - I enjoy superhero flicks although I know that they can't just turn themselves around in mid flight like that. It's not ruining my enjoyment of the show but I secretly hoped there would be a part of the story that covers it - like mass deaths early on from initial contact. That could be coming as an explanation, but again that wouldn't have stayed out of the media and the first responders wouldn't be so clueless.

I'll also say that this is something the Planet of the Apes remake guys did well - I expected to have to suspend a lot of disbelief that the tiny ape armies dominated mankind, but they pretty well took care of that by wiping most of humanity off the board.