Aladdin (1992) (Diamond Edition)

[moviecriticsonline]

I grew up with Aladdin, so this purchase was an easy decision. One of the best Disney movies ever made.

[The_Iceflash]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

I remember that the artifacts (EE/down-conversion??) were noticeable after I first spotted them. So, to me, they do take away from the experience but I imagine that there are people that would never notice it.

Of course it does.

Like clockwork you come around and complain about petty crap that is somehow supposed to be major and enough to "take away from the experience". Really?!

I get the feeling you get a joy out of finding problems.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

Edge enhancement, aliasing and artifacts on a CAPS film so popular? Yeah, these are big problems comparatively and rolling your eyes isn't gonna rectify those.

Excuse my ignorance, but can someone please explain the following terms to me:
Edge Enhancement
Aliasing
Artifacting
Banding
CAPS film
Thank you!

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by The_Iceflash

I get the feeling you get a joy out of finding problems.

Yeah dude, you sure got me.

[PVictor]

Originally Posted by The_Iceflash

Of course it does.

Like clockwork you come around and complain about petty crap that is somehow supposed to be major and enough to "take away from the experience". [i]Really?![/b]

I get the feeling you get a joy out of finding problems.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Leon's just pointing out actual facts about the transfer that he thinks (again, his opinion) takes away from his experience of watching the movie.

You don't need to agree with him as you also don't need to be rude and sarcastic about it.

We're all huge Disney fans here, and this is a forum, for Pete's sake.
You're happy with the transfer, then that's great for you. I'm also happy with it!

But he thinks the transfer could be better and I see no reason to make him feel bad about it.
Just chill, man.

[Justadoo444]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Excuse my ignorance, but can someone please explain the following terms to me:
Edge Enhancement
Aliasing
Artifacting
Banding
CAPS film
Thank you!

CAPS Film: A Disney movie done with the CAPS System (The animation style seen in everything "The Rescuers Down Under" to "Home on the Range").
Artifacting: The presence of artifacts a la compressed JPEG images. Look at the edges of the flamingoes in the included screenshot.
Aliasing: Lines that are jagged/"saw toothed" when viewed pixel-by-pixel. Look at the screenshots for "Home on the Range" for examples.
Banding: When gradient colors don't blend, but change abruptly. Look at the very top-middle of the included screenshot.
Edge Enhancement: Edge contrast/artificially added sharpness.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by PVictor

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Leon's just pointing out actual facts about the transfer that he thinks (again, his opinion) takes away from his experience of watching the movie.

You don't need to agree with him as you also don't need to be rude and sarcastic about it.

We're all huge Disney fans here, and this is a forum, for Pete's sake.
You're happy with the transfer, then that's great for you. I'm also happy with it!

But he thinks the transfer could be better and I see no reason to make him feel bad about it.
Just chill, man.

So this guy is allowed to have an opinion that the Aladdin transfer has "big" problems but nobody is allowed to question his opinion of what constitutes a "big" problem?

[Ernest Rister]

Fantasia is coming back to cinemas for the 75th anniversary in November. Just trying to share some good news. Most theaters only presenting three showings. Two on Sunday, one on Tuesday, looks limited to U.S. and Canada. Footage of the modern Philadelphia Orchestra was shot a few weeks ago.

[mgmoya]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Fantasia is coming back to cinemas for the 75th anniversary in November. Just trying to share some good news. Most theaters only presenting three showings. Two on Sunday, one on Tuesday, looks limited to U.S. and Canada. Footage of the modern Philadelphia Orchestra was shot a few weeks ago.

I never saw "Fantasia" before, but this Saturday I enjoyed this film in my private cinema room, it was a great orchestral and visual experience, a really amazing piece of art.

It's a shame that in Chilean cinemas never have special showings like this.




Greetings from Chile.

[movielover1069]

Originally Posted by Justadoo444

CAPS Film: A Disney movie done with the CAPS System (The animation style seen in everything "The Rescuers Down Under" to "Home on the Range").
Artifacting: The presence of artifacts a la compressed JPEG images. Look at the edges of the flamingoes in the included screenshot.
Aliasing: Lines that are jagged/"saw toothed" when viewed pixel-by-pixel. Look at the screenshots for "Home on the Range" for examples.
Banding: When gradient colors don't blend, but change abruptly. Look at the very top-middle of the included screenshot.
Edge Enhancement: Edge contrast/artificially added sharpness.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks, I really appreciate your response! Are those things easy to see or do you have to scrutinize every single frame of every single scene in order to see them?

[Sinbad75]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

There's no blue in the logo though.



By the way, my grandfather was in the Navy in World War II.

Also, did you know that the Navy were the unsung heroes of the Civil War? The Navy prevented ships giving supplies to the South. The South would have a lot more guns, if not for the Navy. It's sad that they aren't mentioned in Civil War history books.

FYI, the above is the Naval Academy's crest, not its logo. The Blue and Gold I mentioned earlier are the Academy's colors, and make up the title of the school's Alma Mata song "Navy Blue and Gold."

As far as the Navy not being mentioned in history books for their part in the Civil War, better check a few more sources. The Union's blockade of Southern ports cut the Confederacy's most vital supply line, and combat between such fabled ships as the CSS Alabama (a notorious commerce raider) and the USS Kersarge, and the first ironclads (The CSS Virginia and the USS Monitor) are certainly historic. Admiral Farragut won the strategically important battle of Mobile Bay, uttering his famous words "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead," and Union naval forces controlled the entire Mississippi river, effectively cutting the Confederacy in half, enabling Grant's historic victories in the west that brought him to Lincoln's attention and eventual command of all Union Armies. Believe me, the Navy was there!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Justadoo444

CAPS Film: A Disney movie done with the CAPS System (The animation style seen in everything "The Rescuers Down Under" to "Home on the Range").
Artifacting: The presence of artifacts a la compressed JPEG images. Look at the edges of the flamingoes in the included screenshot.
Aliasing: Lines that are jagged/"saw toothed" when viewed pixel-by-pixel. Look at the screenshots for "Home on the Range" for examples.
Banding: When gradient colors don't blend, but change abruptly. Look at the very top-middle of the included screenshot.
Edge Enhancement: Edge contrast/artificially added sharpness.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

CAPS (Computer Animation Production System), is their digital ink & paint system, compositing characters on backgrounds, integrating digital elements (like they flying carpet) and output as the final product as a 2K digital file. It isn't really an animation style. It was a tool to put everything together.

[RebelPrince1986]

Originally Posted by movielover1069

Thanks, I really appreciate your response! Are those things easy to see or do you have to scrutinize every single frame of every single scene in order to see them?

Just like with digital images on your computer monitor, some are worse than others. A lot of times it depends on screen size, sometimes it just depends on how closely the image is being scrutinized, but it's very much a case by case basis.

Banding can often be very dramatic because it can potentially take up very large areas of the screen and if you know what it is that you're seeing it can become a distraction.

Aliasing has never bothered me much, but I don't have a gigantic screen, so it doesn't stand out as much as it would on a much larger screen. If you own Monsters, Inc. toss it in and keep an eye on Sulley's shoulder hair... That's one instance of aliasing that did capture my attention and is somewhat distracting at times.

Blocking is another one that grates on my nerves when it pops up... You can see a TON of it in Tarzan and Treasure Planet. Look at Tarzan's mother, her fur often looks as if it's crawling because the blocking is so bad.

For the most part, if you don't go looking for problems you probably won't be too bothered by them or even notice them. I try to go into Blu-rays with the mindset that if it looks good to me, great! It doesn't really matter what issues other people are able to find. If you don't notice it, don't make a point to track it down because it will only degrade your movie watching experience by wasting time trying to find mistakes that in the grand scheme of things are often minuscule.

Titanic is a really good example. There is a TEEEEEEENY blip in the audio in the very early seconds of the film. I never would have noticed it had I not read the pages and pages of people complaining about it on this thread, but now every time I watch it I notice that little blip in the audio. It doesn't detract from the viewing experience in anyway, but I know it's there thanks to people whining on and on about it.

[The_Iceflash]

Originally Posted by PVictor

But he thinks the transfer could be better and I see no reason to make him feel bad about it.
Just chill, man.

He likes to find the problems and imperfections in each Disney Blu-ray. Like clockwork he shows up to tell us what's wrong with it. It's almost like he's happy and proud of himself in finding these problems and boasts about them.

[Justadoo444]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

CAPS (Computer Animation Production System), is their digital ink & paint system, compositing characters on backgrounds, integrating digital elements (like they flying carpet) and output as the final product as a 2K digital file. It isn't really an animation style. It was a tool to put everything together.

There's the technical way of looking at it while I chose the lazy route.

[Lnds500]

Originally Posted by The_Iceflash

He likes to find the problems and imperfections in each Disney Blu-ray. Like clockwork he shows up to tell us what's wrong with it. It's almost like he's happy and proud of himself in finding these problems and boasts about them.

You must be confusing me with someone else (my money is on film_music).

I have praised many, many, MANY Disney releases over the years.

And, for the record, I am not the only one who has noticed this problems, nor the first to report them.

[Paulo Elias]

Originally Posted by Freddy2

Just to be clear, what most are referring to as Edge Enhancement is in fact a Ringing Artifact caused by bad scaling algorithms. The original CAPS resolution is 2048x1234, so some down-scaling is necessary. But as other examples, like Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King (both CAPS), have shown, proper scaling should not introduce this ringing.
And it is definitely not in the source either. The source is CAPS and therefore there is no excuse for any flaws in the encode.
Unfortunately this encode is anything but perfect, considering the unnecessary ringing and the sloppy framing (the tiny black lines left and right).
Rather disappointing they didn't fix these mistakes, that were known for years since the European release, for this Diamond Edition.

I believe that the encoding in the Brazilian edition is the same as the US. I know studio people who worked for Disney and they usually had their material from Disney-US.

Be as it may, and according to your statement I can only assume that in my playback system no flaws in the picture were found as a result of correct upscaling algorithms, am I correct?

F.Y.I.: I use the Oppo BDP-103 as front end, which is set to upscale to UHD. In the TV set I have BFI and HDMI UHD color enabled.

I can clearly testify this: No ringing was detected, none whatsoever!

[DJ Mike]

Originally Posted by Lnds500

You must be confusing me with someone else (my money is on film_music).

I have praised many, many, MANY Disney releases over the years.

And, for the record, I am not the only one who has noticed this problems, nor the first to report them.

In fairness, Aladdin's problems aren't in the same league as the issues affecting titles like The Sword In The Stone. Still, I happen to agree it is annoying that Disney seems content to ignore technical issues like these. You'd think being an all-digital film they could make a better job of it than one with ringing/banding issues. These sorts of problems let titles like Emperor's New Groove and Atlantis down as well.

I'm guessing they have old scaled-down masters that they've previously struck from the CAPS originals for use in DVDs that they simply re-purpose to keep costs down - I certainly refuse to believe these sorts of issues are baked into the CAPS files directly!

[Dsneybuf]

I noticed the Disney Movies Anywhere iOS app lists "61 bonus features available with purchase" of Aladdin, and one of those bonus features has the same name as one of the missing chapters of A Diamond in the Rough: The Making of Aladdin. ("A Diamond in the Rough: The Making of Aladdin-The Voice Talent") Does it seem possible that Disney Movies Anywhere has the other missing chapters as well?

The 26 Diamond in the Rough chapters that did make it to the Blu-Ray
+The 6 new features
+The 4 miscellaneous featurettes also recycled from the DVD
+The 7 deleted scenes and songs
+The 3 music videos
+The 1 option to watch the "Proud of Your Boy" cover with the storyboards
+The 2 "making-of" featurettes about music videos
+The 5 songs I assume Disney included in song selection
+The trailers for all 3 movies
Equals 57 bonus features.
+The 4 Diamond in the Rough chapters omitted from the Blu-Ray
+The DMA-exclusive deleted song
Equals 61 bonus features.

[Taikero]

Originally Posted by DJ Mike

In fairness, Aladdin's problems aren't in the same league as the issues affecting titles like The Sword In The Stone. Still, I happen to agree it is annoying that Disney seems content to ignore technical issues like these. You'd think being an all-digital film they could make a better job of it than one with ringing/banding issues. These sorts of problems let titles like Emperor's New Groove and Atlantis down as well.

I'm guessing they have old scaled-down masters that they've previously struck from the CAPS originals for use in DVDs that they simply re-purpose to keep costs down - I certainly refuse to believe these sorts of issues are baked into the CAPS files directly!

I still haven't picked up Sword in the Stone because.....well, I want to take whomever approved that release out back and beat them with a bag full of Blu-rays. It looks awful from the screenshots I've seen. Such disrespect for such a great title that I cherished as a child.

Aladdin doesn't appear to be anywhere near that (UK or US release).