Chaplin's Essanay Comedies (1915-1916) - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

dbear · 11-12-2015, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

It was the same with the Mutuals. Cineteca Bologna did the restorations of those films too. There is no real difference in image or sound quality of the films themselves between the Flicker Alley, Spanish or UK releases (except that somehow Flicker Alley mastered several of them out of sync to their soundtracks). The primary differences relate to supplements and music scores.

DVDBeaver claims the transfers for "The Rink" and "Easy Street" are different on the Spanish and UK BFI releases. Evidently the restorations for those two were not done in time when the Spanish set was released. Guess we'll have to wait and see for the Essanays (tho for me I'm holding out for the BFI release, just for what I expect to be marginally superior encoding by Lyris

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RipleyLV426 · 11-13-2015, 03:05 PM

3 days and it's still in California!! Media Mail=

Never will I order from them again...this new way of shipping with stamps.com is terrible! Preorders should be more of a priority than this, especially for those supporting the company directly. At this rate it says I'll have it by the 20th!! That's almost 2 weeks to ship a pre-ordered movie!

EVERYONE LIES · 11-13-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RipleyLV426

3 days and it's still in California!! Media Mail=

Never will I order from them again...this new way of shipping with stamps.com is terrible! Preorders should be more of a priority than this, especially for those supporting the company directly. At this rate it says I'll have it by the 20th!! That's almost 2 weeks to ship a pre-ordered movie!

I'm right there with ya. Info was sent to USPS on the 10th, there was no movement until today. It took 3 days to go from L.A. to Bell Gardens which is in L.A. County.

bigshot · 11-13-2015, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dbear

DVDBeaver claims the transfers for "The Rink" and "Easy Street" are different on the Spanish and UK BFI releases.

I have both of those disks and the difference to me appears to be just different black level settings... mastering differences, not restoration. Cineteca Bologna did the original scans and restoration, then they did a screening where they recorded the live soundtracks to the picture. That was what was released in Spain. Flicker Alley did some adjustments to CB's version (throwing some of the sound out of sync in the process). BFI conformed the old Carl Davis scores to match the CB prints. I'm pretty sure they all use the same basic film print and transfer.

RipleyLV426 · 11-13-2015, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERYONE LIES

I'm right there with ya. Info was sent to USPS on the 10th, there was no movement until today. It took 3 days to go from L.A. to Bell Gardens which is in L.A. County.

That is precisely the same "non-movement" I share.

dbear · 11-14-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

I have both of those disks and the difference to me appears to be just different black level settings... mastering differences, not restoration. Cineteca Bologna did the original scans and restoration, then they did a screening where they recorded the live soundtracks to the picture. That was what was released in Spain. Flicker Alley did some adjustments to CB's version (throwing some of the sound out of sync in the process). BFI conformed the old Carl Davis scores to match the CB prints. I'm pretty sure they all use the same basic film print and transfer.

I admittedly only have the BFI set and not the Spanish set. I was basing my observations on the comparisons caps of The Rink over at DVDBeaver. If they're supposedly from the same restoration but with different black levels, why do the corresponding BFI shots for The Rink show more scratches and less cropping? I agree they may have been derived from the same print but if it's just down to mastering differences, why did some shorts (based on the comparison shots of The Floorwalker) end up looking virtually identical with the BFI set (albeit with slightly inferior encoding)?

Returning to the Essanays, here's what one of the collaborators of the restoration project had to say on Nitrateville from a post in January with regard to Spanish vs Flicker Alley sets:

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My suggestion is to wait for the Flicker Alley release. [The Spanish] edition was somewhat rushed to meet the requirements of the European distributor, ARTE, and its versions of POLICE and (especially) A NIGHT OUT are well below the standard of the planned American release, although that is not likely to happen before summer.

David Shepard

RipleyLV426 · 11-17-2015, 02:56 PM

No shipping update since the 13th on mine from Flicker....ridiculous...at this point one thinks it's lost ..,gonna complain to them again that this new way they are doing things is terrible for customers.

jacksparrow900 · 11-17-2015, 04:04 PM

The BFI and Flicker Alley release of the Mutuals are the same transfers. The spainish blu ray was rushed to be release because they would lose copyright on those films. Also the spainish blu ray of the The Rink is from a sound reissue where the BFI and Flicker Alley is from a better print that is uncropped with more work done by David Shepard.

EVERYONE LIES · 11-17-2015, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RipleyLV426

No shipping update since the 13th on mine from Flicker....ridiculous...at this point one thinks it's lost ..,gonna complain to them again that this new way they are doing things is terrible for customers.

That sucks, mine is out for delivery. Hopefully it will be at my house when I get home from work.

RipleyLV426 · 11-17-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EVERYONE LIES

That sucks, mine is out for delivery. Hopefully it will be at my house when I get home from work.

That's good to know. You should have it waiting for you then I'm sure

They emailed back and said again that the holiday delayed it (it's only one day, sheesh) and that media mail takes up to 9 days. But my issue was that they shoulda shipped the preorders earlier as a benefit to those who support them.

Oh, well, beating a dead horse at this point with them. They gave me a 10% discount code which i will most likely never use. Would rather have had them credit me the shipping I paid.

Mine updated just now and it's in Chicago, doubt I'll get it till tomorrow though, seeing as how it took three days to leave the origin state of CA for them!

bigshot · 11-17-2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksparrow900

The BFI and Flicker Alley release of the Mutuals are the same transfers. The spainish blu ray was rushed to be release because they would lose copyright on those films. Also the spainish blu ray of the The Rink is from a sound reissue where the BFI and Flicker Alley is from a better print that is uncropped with more work done by David Shepard.

Ah... When I compared the Spanish disk to the Flicker Alley one, I was focusing mostly on the titles that were out of sync on the Flicker Alley release. I must not have directly compared The Rink.

pedromvu · 11-17-2015, 08:46 PM

review up at beaver:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...es_blu-ray.htm

jjbluecaps · 11-17-2015, 09:01 PM

My was shipped today. Crossing fingers since I live in Brazil.
I'll do a unboxing video when it arrive.

pedromvu · 11-17-2015, 11:03 PM

Anybody know why this is being referenced as the third Chaplin restoration from Flicker Alley?

I see there is a set from his Keystone films, but it seems to be pretty old and only on DVD.

bigshot · 11-18-2015, 01:39 AM

The Flicker Alley Keystone set on DVD is fantastic. It isn't old at all... two or three years.

KG204 · 11-18-2015, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bigshot

The Flicker Alley Keystone set on DVD is fantastic. It isn't old at all... two or three years.

I am hoping there will be a blu ray release next year for that. I plan on picking up Mutual and this March next year.

KG204 · 11-18-2015, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pedromvu

Anybody know why this is being referenced as the third Chaplin restoration from Flicker Alley?

I see there is a set from his Keystone films, but it seems to be pretty old and only on DVD.

It is the third restoration. Keystone was the first one, but they didnt give it a blu ray release.

They started the restorations since early 2000s

pedromvu · 11-18-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KG204

It is the third restoration. Keystone was the first one, but they didnt give it a blu ray release.

They started the restorations since early 2000s

Oh ok, thanks, hopefully they release it on blu-ray next.

RipleyLV426 · 11-18-2015, 05:10 PM

Mine's out for delivery FINALLY from Flicker.

Glad to hear the transfers are up to par. At least we are getting quality restoration for all his work, that's all one can ask for, and that's what these classics deserve.

Happily diving into some of these tonight

jacksparrow900 · 11-20-2015, 05:57 PM

It came in and it looks good next to the other releases.

11-13-2015, 03:05 PM	#22
RipleyLV426 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Naperville, IL Home Theater Gallery:7 4K collection:153 Blu-ray collection:806 Blu-ray reviews: 4 Trading Score:110	3 days and it's still in California!! Media Mail= Never will I order from them again...this new way of shipping with stamps.com is terrible! Preorders should be more of a priority than this, especially for those supporting the company directly. At this rate it says I'll have it by the 20th!! That's almost 2 weeks to ship a pre-ordered movie!

11-17-2015, 02:56 PM	#27
RipleyLV426 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Naperville, IL Home Theater Gallery:7 4K collection:153 Blu-ray collection:806 Blu-ray reviews: 4 Trading Score:110	No shipping update since the 13th on mine from Flicker....ridiculous...at this point one thinks it's lost ..,gonna complain to them again that this new way they are doing things is terrible for customers.

11-17-2015, 04:04 PM	#28
jacksparrow900 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2012 4K collection:193 Blu-ray collection:1355 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:1	The BFI and Flicker Alley release of the Mutuals are the same transfers. The spainish blu ray was rushed to be release because they would lose copyright on those films. Also the spainish blu ray of the The Rink is from a sound reissue where the BFI and Flicker Alley is from a better print that is uncropped with more work done by David Shepard.

11-17-2015, 08:46 PM	#32
pedromvu Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2010 Location:Mexico 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:1222 DVD collection:35 MA collection:8 Digital collection:12 iTunes collection:12 Trading Score:52	review up at beaver: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...es_blu-ray.htm

11-17-2015, 09:01 PM	#33
jjbluecaps Junior Member Member since:Aug 2014	My was shipped today. Crossing fingers since I live in Brazil. I'll do a unboxing video when it arrive.

11-17-2015, 11:03 PM	#34
pedromvu Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2010 Location:Mexico 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:1222 DVD collection:35 MA collection:8 Digital collection:12 iTunes collection:12 Trading Score:52	Anybody know why this is being referenced as the third Chaplin restoration from Flicker Alley? I see there is a set from his Keystone films, but it seems to be pretty old and only on DVD.

11-18-2015, 01:39 AM	#35
bigshot Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2010 Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:82 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:3	The Flicker Alley Keystone set on DVD is fantastic. It isn't old at all... two or three years.

11-18-2015, 05:10 PM	#39
RipleyLV426 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Naperville, IL Home Theater Gallery:7 4K collection:153 Blu-ray collection:806 Blu-ray reviews: 4 Trading Score:110	Mine's out for delivery FINALLY from Flicker. Glad to hear the transfers are up to par. At least we are getting quality restoration for all his work, that's all one can ask for, and that's what these classics deserve. Happily diving into some of these tonight

11-20-2015, 05:57 PM	#40
jacksparrow900 Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Jul 2012 4K collection:193 Blu-ray collection:1355 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:1	It came in and it looks good next to the other releases.

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