4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I just get disappointed when the thread gets bumped for non 4k news

mike…..no sleeping on the job

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[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

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The bad news, it still looks like most of the CE companies are going the HDR10 route, which is essentially a hodgepodge solution that can be implemented however they want rather than the standard and VERY obvious benefits that Dolby Vision brings to HDR. All because they are wary of paying the licensing fees. So right now we have worst case scenario for HDR with HDR10. It also continually looks like the benefits for projection systems is going to be nearly non-existant, especially if the content ends up being HDR10 with no metadata for remapping to lower peak display brightness capabilities.

So while I've seen what could be, and it looked pretty fantastic, from what I was told at the demonstration from the guys at Spectracal, the future of HDR presently looks a bit grim and a little wild west. Hopefully it turns out better in the long run, but it only furthered my pessimistic outlook.

HDR10 does seem like it was quickly thrown together which is why it only supports static metadata. I think that HDR10 will be a short term solution and that in a year or two something better will be released with mandatory support for dynamic metadata.

Originally Posted by Desk.

Is that 2016 set's connectivity a reasonable guarantee of future-proofing, or with the sands still shifting could I find myself soon locked out of a future HDR standard?

It might not be until 2017 before the HDR standards are finished. In the short term though the safe choice would be a TV that supports Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

HDR10 does seem like it was quickly thrown together which is why it only supports static metadata. I think that HDR10 will be a short term solution and that in a year or two something better will be released with mandatory support for dynamic metadata.

It might not be until 2017 before the HDR standards are finished. In the short term though the safe choice would be a TV that supports Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG.

While I'm all for a better product it's beginning to sound like Ultra HD Blu-ray won't be worth buying until 2020.

[Penton-Man]

Although not yet reported on thee O-fficial website…http://www.uhdalliance.org/news-and-events/ as event news,

there will be a UHD Alliance panel discussion on Monday evening, Jan. 4 with committed participant appearance by Presidents and senior executives of Sony Pictures, Walt Disney Studios, the Fox from the 20th Century and Warner Bros. at that Jan. entertainment gadget show (https://www.cesweb.org/Register-Plan/Full-Schedule) in Vegas.

[Geoff D]

Damn, with that mention of CES I realised we're not far away from 2016. Tempus fugit and all that.

[dinocrisis]

Can you tell me, where do I need to push on Imdb
To get information
About what camera was used during making this movie? Because I want to know where was originally 4k technology used and where no.
Because if the movie wasn't directed on the native 4k technology cameras, consequently it couldn't have real 4k quality
I 100% know that Tomorrowland movie was originally directed on 4k camera
Please inform me which movies are also originally directed on 4k
And why now most of the movies are not directed in 4k
In the nearest future this format
Will be widespread

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by dinocrisis

Can you tell me, where do I need to push on Imdb
To get information
About what camera was used during making this movie? Because I want to know where was originally 4k technology used and where no.
Because if the movie wasn't directed on the native 4k technology cameras, consequently it couldn't have real 4k quality
I 100% know that Tomorrowland movie was originally directed on 4k camera
Please inform me which movies are also originally directed on 4k
And why now most of the movies are not directed in 4k
In the nearest future this format
Will be widespread

Find the movie, scroll down to "Technical Specs" and then click into that section. Many movies are filmed with 2.8k cameras, and some are higher, but the Digital Intermediate end up being at 2k. Dont assume every DI will now be 4K.

[Penton-Man]

Lite, as a young whipper snapper in 1983, John Elway broke my heart …..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2776891

Who do I blame though? Thee owner - http://keepingscore.blogs.time.com/2...dead-of-night/

Anyway, before Adrian has a stroke, I’ll add a comment to your reply post to dino.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Find the movie, scroll down to "Technical Specs" and then click into that section. Many movies are filmed with 2.8k cameras, and some are higher, but the Digital Intermediate end up being at 2k. Dont assume every DI will now be 4K.

All correct , although I would submit that there is one site that has a long proven track record of being more accurate than imdb. For you see, if one were to ask a question, either a member who is a resourceful researcher or perhaps another with humble insider connections

should eventually come along to offer additional insight above and beyond what imdb may list at the time.

Also, for the nuanced,….. ‘shotonwhat’ is a relatively unknown (to consumers) resource which although not being very helpful for specifics about the finishing, sometimes does a better job at filling in the acquisition (camera and lenses) info about a particular motion picture production (esp. older movies) that imdb may have left out or not been savvy to. 'Shotonwhat' has input from crew members…..
https://magazine.shotonwhat.com/category/shotonwhat/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

(esp. older movies) that imdb may have left out or not been savvy to. 'Shotonwhat' has input from crew members…..
https://magazine.shotonwhat.com/category/shotonwhat/

As a quick example….just scroll down a little to the title Street Life.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Not difficult to do/get these days.
If Dolby were to prove it by kicking butt in such a shootout [Dolby Vision (12bit with dynamic metadata) vs. HDR10 (10bit with static metadata)] and word gets out to the AV journalistic world, perhaps those licensing fees would become more palatable to some consumer television manufacturers.

Stacey Spears and Tyler from Spectracal along with what looks like about 10 others are coming over to my house next Friday for some more video shenanigans. I will have the Sony 655ES projector and one of the new JVC projectors (RS600 I believe) on hand to look at 4K and some HDR content. Sony provided me with one of their media streamers along with two HDR clips and Tyler from Spectracal plans on bringing a bunch of HDR10 clips as well. Should be fun to see how HDR holds up on the projection side of things. I will also be demo'ing some Dolby Atmos for the home for the visitors.

[Richard Paul]

The DVB announced that 1080p will be allowed for UHD-1 Phase 2 and it sounds like some broadcasters are planning to use it.

Originally Posted by bailey1987

While I'm all for a better product it's beginning to sound like Ultra HD Blu-ray won't be worth buying until 2020.

Dolby Vision is one of the optional HDR formats for Ultra HD Blu-ray and while I generally dislike proprietary formats it would be a better choice than HDR10. Hopefully most of the studios that release titles on Ultra HD Blu-ray will use Dolby Vision.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Stacey Spears and Tyler from Spectracal along with what looks like about 10 others are coming over to my house next Friday for some more video shenanigans.....

You gots to feed ‘em too.

Seriously, that’s good to hear as the more data/info, the better, especially for the front projector folk here like Wendell et al…..and I like the fact that 4K (spatial rez) is getting at least some attention.

But what I was proposing to any industrious academic (ex. EPFL - http://infoscience.epfl.ch/record/20...es/article.pdf )
), or even company types who may be reading is to either shoot the imagery themselves, or acquire from a 3rd party, some ungraded content, especially that which leverages a wide dynamic range (e.g. https://hdr-2014.hdm-stuttgart.de/), in fact, come to think of it, the ungraded source material is available from the Stuttgart folk if one asks, and send one ungraded file off to someone to be graded in Dolby Vision ….send another copy (same ungraded imagery) out to a different (experienced) contractor (financially independent from Dolby) to have graded in HDR10 (10bit with static metadata) and run the final mastered content side-by-side in consumer flat panels that are capable of displaying the material.

In other words, prove the value (or not) of one solution over the other in a more scientific shootout so that all eyes can see and believe. Then let the echo chamber of the videophile internet take over to champion the superior method.

Anyway, we hope to hear thee impressions from your Friday (next) gathering.

[eriaur]

More eye candy from the team behind Art of Flight. With Dolby Vision and Atmos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9qWa0Yn6bo

[Penton-Man]

But a 4K film about….
1. a sporting activity and
2. augmented with a planned Dolby Vision grade.

With regards to the former(1), attention Adrian, and the later(2), attention mike, take one 325mg tab of Aspirin right now (unless otherwise clinically contraindicated) and have your phones ready to call 911 if you feel any funny symptoms coming on as it helps to prevent blood from clotting.

eriaur, I’ve always been fond of this commercial from Brain Farm’s portfolio of work…..must be me with the color black….http://brainfarmcinema.com/portfolio...rd-back-black/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

But a 4K film about….
1. a sporting activity and
2. augmented with a planned Dolby Vision grade.

With regards to the former(1), attention Adrian, and the later(2), attention mike, take one 325mg tab of Aspirin right now (unless otherwise clinically contraindicated) and have your phones ready to call 911 if you feel any funny symptoms coming on as it helps to prevent blood from clotting.

eriaur, I’ve always been fond of this commercial from Brain Farm’s portfolio of work…..must be me with the color black….http://brainfarmcinema.com/portfolio...rd-back-black/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

acquire....some ungraded content, especially that which leverages a wide dynamic range (e.g. https://hdr-2014.hdm-stuttgart.de/), in fact, come to think of it, the ungraded source material is available from the Stuttgart folk if one asks...

But, to be clear, one doesn’t absolutely need a two-camera mirror rig in order to provide adequate ranged source material for thee above proposed Dolby Vision vs. HDR10 shootout…..simply use one modern-day highend file-based camera and proceed as directed last July for optimal content to the colorist……
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...k#post11032472

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I'm always considerate of the health of our members.

[eriaur]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

with a planned Dolby Vision grade.

Confirmation on the Dolby Vision grade:https://twitter.com/hashtag/DolbyVision?src=hash

Another guy busy using the pulsar:

HDR Mastering
Starting August 2015

Currently in the midst of an initiative by Sony Pictures to re-master a number of titles in High Dynamic Range at UHD resolution. Using the Baselight and Trimaster BVM X-300 4k OLED, along with a Dolby Pulsar monitor, to create content in this exciting new display space for distribution across streaming platforms and perhaps an upcoming 4k Blu-ray format.
link

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

eriaur, I’ve always been fond of this commercial from Brain Farm’s portfolio of work…..must be me with the color black….http://brainfarmcinema.com/portfolio...rd-back-black/

Gorgeous! YES

[Adrian Wright]

Thanks for that info eriaur, like good HDR most enlightening. I do sometimes feel like James W. Marshall when reading this section... Lots of gravel and occasional Gold like your valued input