4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[XJF]

Originally Posted by ray0414

anybody have a link for the UHD alliance presser for tonight at CES?

Negative, Ghost Rider. I've found nothing, not even a live blog. Given that it's a Media event, I doubt it will be streamed.

[Paul.R.S]

Yes, sir, as expected/hoped for (at least by me) Fury Road.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hig...nnounced-37278

[raygendreau]

Samsung Electronics Receives UHD Alliance Premium Certification for its 2016 SUHD TVs

http://news.samsung.com/global/samsu...s-2016-suhd-tv

[raygendreau]

http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+R.../11188301.html

Image Resolution: 3840x2160
Color Bit Depth: 10-bit signal
Color Palette (Wide Color Gamut) Signal Input: BT.2020 color representation
Display Reproduction: More than 90% of P3 colors

High Dynamic Range SMPTE ST2084 EOTF
A combination of peak brightness and black level either: More than 1000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05 nits black levelOR
More than 540 nits peak brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

[raygendreau]

See UHD Alliance Premium Logo:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...0104006605/en/

[Robert Zohn]

Good find ^. I'd suggest also checking http://www.uhdalliance.org/news-and-events/ and CNET later tonight or tomorrow morning.

From what I can understand from StreetInsider.com LG's 2016 OLED displays will be granted the UHD Alliance's "Premium" logo.

I'm in-flight to Vegas and we'll see a lot of talk and confirmation on what the UHD Alliance standards are in each category and which TVs fit into each UHD category.

-Robert

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Yes, sir, as expected/hoped for (at least by me) Fury Road.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hig...nnounced-37278

?? That press release (with Fury Road) was posted here December 29 and is being discussed in two separate threads here. You just noticed it? It's in the very first line of the first post in "Warner Announces 35 Ultra HD Blu-ray for 2016".

[Richard Paul]

I think the UHD Alliance certification is a moderately easy goal which makes sense considering that several CE companies had to agree to it. I think the emphasis on brightness is a bit disappointing but it is good that a baseline has been made.

[Vashetti]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But bear in mind my edit about the polariser: unless you were buying a 65" or above then you wouldn't even be getting the much vaunted "1080p passive 3D" that Sony were claiming their 4K TVs did. I actually got £150 compensation out of them for flat out lying about the spec of the 55X9005A.

Potentially stupid question:

Is that just for those Sony TVs, or can you only get Passive 1080p 3D on a 4K TV if the screen size is 65" and up?

[raygendreau]

"That doesn't necessarily mean that devices without it won't be up to snuff (Vizio is notably missing from the list, but it is using Dolby's HDR tech, and Dolby is on the list). Still, nearly all of the industry's heavyweights are on board, and it will be interesting to see how many of the new-for-2016 products unveiled tomorrow hit the mark. LG quickly announced that its 2016 OLED 4K lineup "exceeds" the specification, and we'll see what else it has in store tomorrow morning during its press conference."

http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/04/u...remium-4k-tvs/

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

?? That press release (with Fury Road) was posted here December 29 and is being discussed in two separate threads here. You just noticed it? It's in the very first line of the first post in "Warner Announces 35 Ultra HD Blu-ray for 2016".

My plates are pretty full even when it's not the Holiday/Awards season: I don't/didn't scan the latest threads before posting on a topic in my preferred place/thread that I've already been in for quite a while. I saw the Bits' Facebook post about it whilst scampering to catch up on Fb from being out of town, came here and posted . . . and figured someone would give me a hard time after I noticed the date.

[raygendreau]

"Hardware, content launches: More than a dozen TVs have already been certified as meeting the TV-performance requirements, Basse said. All of LG’s 2016 OLED TVs will meet all alliance performance criteria, some of them having already been certified, an LG spokesman told TWICE. The TVs will be available starting in the spring. Panasonic is expected Tuesday to announce TVs meeting the requirements.

At least 100 movie titles will be available on physical 4K Blu-ray discs in 2016 from multiple studios, added Mike Dunn, president of 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment. Certified 4K discs from Fox will be available to coincide with the launch of Samsung’s first 4K Blu-ray player in the coming months, he noted.

For its part, Warner Brothers Entertainment will offer 35 certified 4K discs by the end of the year, said Sanders. Warner this year will offer a total of 60 certified titles in physical and digital formats combined, with some titles available in both 4K Blu-ray and 4K digital formats, he added. About a dozen 4K digital titles already available from Fox through Vudu meet alliance requirements.

Criteria: The alliance set criteria for content mastering as well as content-distribution methods, such as 4K Blu-ray discs, 4K streaming and downloads, and other distribution methods that could include pay-TV providers and broadcast TV. “The attributes are agnostic no matter how the content is distributed,” one alliance member told TWICE. The requirements apply regardless of distribution method, although “there can be differences in quality based on throughput,” he added"

http://www.twice.com/news/tv/uhd-all...perience/59955

[jono3000]

Originally Posted by Vashetti

Potentially stupid question:

Is that just for those Sony TVs, or can you only get Passive 1080p 3D on a 4K TV if the screen size is 65" and up?

I purchased my LG 4K Passive 3D 55" set partially on the basis that it could resolve 1080p as per a review on HDTVTest, as a 3D fan that swayed it for me over the Sony.

[eriaur]

Sony 4K OLED (LG panel,passive 3D) @CES?

[eriaur]

A REPORT FROM THE UHD ALLIANCE’S MONDAY NIGHT PRESS EVENT
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/010516_0100

As for those discs, Sanders noted that Warner will begin delivering titles over the Spring and Summer of this year, with the biggest push planned for the holidays. Dunn agreed with this, adding that (between all the content providers) there were likely to be more than 100 titles delivered in the 4th quarter of 2016. Fox plans to release all of their upcoming theatrical slate on UHD BD, supplemented by key catalog titles. Sony too plans on digging deep into their catalog, with Singh naming The Guns of Navarone and The Bridge on the River Kwai as among titles to watch for.

One thing the various studios reps could not discuss at this event was specific launch windows and price points for Ultra HD Blu-ray, though they do expect to make those announcements very soon. I did learn from Fox reps however that all of their Ultra HD Blu-ray titles will include HDR and will come packaged with a regular Blu-ray copy of the film as well as a Digital HD option. Warner Bros. reps also told me that their price point for Ultra HD Blu-ray releases would be “premium” but comparable to Blu-ray 3D. They also plan to include regular Blu-ray and Digital HD copies of the film as options in the package.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Vashetti

Potentially stupid question:

Is that just for those Sony TVs, or can you only get Passive 1080p 3D on a 4K TV if the screen size is 65" and up?

I dunno about other manufacturers. Trouble is it's hard to really gauge it from reviews as they all use different tests, when this half-res passive 4K thing first came to light someone came up with a test pattern to check whether the lines were being thrown away, so that then became the 'go to' test for checking passive 3D on 4K.

Only it doesn't measure actual resolution, so if the 3D output has still been low-pass filtered then it will still seem kosher according to that one passive test. Without something like the luma multibursts on Spears & Munsil v2 (which has genuine 3D test screens) you can't gauge if you're still losing resolution or not.

I can usually tell by eye though as I seem to be very sensitive to the polarising filter that's attached to the screen. The pitch of the 1080 filter is virtually invisible to me, but a 540 filter looks like there's great big scan lines on the screen.

[Desk.]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Warner Bros. reps also told me that their price point for Ultra HD Blu-ray releases would be “premium” but comparable to Blu-ray 3D.

Premium but comparable to Blu-Ray 3D?

Wow - this is certainly much better than I was hoping, and I'd certainly be on board to pay this sort of money to get 4K HDR content on large disk capacity.

Desk

[XJF]

A REPORT FROM THE UHD ALLIANCE’S MONDAY NIGHT PRESS EVENT
One thing the various studios reps could not discuss at this event was specific launch windows and price points for Ultra HD Blu-ray, though they do expect to make those announcements very soon.

Very soon? Like, tonight at SONY's Presser soon.

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

So I hope, but is there any evidence of this. my BD drive is brand new I only got it this past August so it should be compatible.

If your drive can read BDXL disks it's a Version 2 drive and can read UHD blu-ray. When individual manufacturers complied with the 2010 BDXL whitepaper is not known so as a guess, anything produced after 2012 should be a version 2 drive. That gives all manufacturers a couple of years to upgrade their specs.

The following are multiple cites that support the same.

Released Oct 2015 is: Mt. Fuji Commands for Multimedia Devices Version 9

Page 83 lists the BD capacities. There is no separate UHD drive, a BD-ROM version 2 drive can read TL disks which have 100 GB capacity. A BD-ROM drive is a read only drive and can read but can not write 3 layer or 4 layer XL/TL disks. ROM disks are commercial read only and are easier to read than recordable. The released 10/2015 paper has all multi-media drives listed as of that date and UHD blu-ray if it requires a different drive should be listed.

This confirms that Modern blu-ray drives can support UHD 100GB disks.

Originally Posted by https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=256623

I've been informed that PC's will not require new Blu-ray drives to playback 4k media/bluray. PC's will only need software that supports 4K (PowerDVD 14 already does this). So we have it then....

Modern Blu-ray drives can support 4K blu-ray There is a 2010 patent from Sony which confirms modern blu-ray drives can support 4k blu-ray. The patent discusses a modification to either the coming 4 layer BDXL in the 2010 blu-ray whitepaper or 3 layer 4K blu-ray disks to make them unreadable on older blu-ray drives by inverting the track information. A software change to later higher spec standard blu-ray drives makes them able to read this inverted track information.

For example, if a new version of the Blu-ray Disc that incorporates a multi-layer structure of at least three layers (hereinafter called the Ver. 2.0 disc) becomes commercially available in the future, it could happen that a user would load a Ver. 2.0 disc into a Ver. 1.0 drive.

Basically, because the Blu-ray Disc format is the same, recording and playing back a Ver. 2.0 disc on a Ver. 1.0 drive would not be absolutely impossible. However, if the Ver. 2.0 disc is achieved by using higher density and more layers, it can be assumed that the various types of specifications with which the Ver. 1.0 drive is provided would not the adequate.

Therefore, in a case where recording and playback of a Ver. 2.0 disc are done on a Ver. 1.0 drive, there is concern that recording errors and playback errors would occur with greater frequency.

So a change to the specs of a blu-ray drive would make it usable for 4K. That's what the 2010 blu-ray BD-R whitepaper was all about. They had from 2010 to do this. Sometime after 2010 modern drives could read 4 layer BDXL which means they could easily read 3 Layer commercial disks.

1) A UHD disk is three layers and higher density and BD-ROM Version 2 drives can read this. We have known that BDXL drives can read 4 layer recordable disks. This paper confirms that BD-ROM can read 4 layers much less three
2) There is no UHD drive!!!!!
3) The BD Version 2 drive was envisioned in 2010 (Patent) and incorporates the 2010 BD-R whitepaper.
4) The Panasonic-Sony firmware tweak to the drive to read the increase in the density of the disk media is from 2010 and is mentioned in the 2010 Version 2 patent.
5) A BD version 2 drive is a modern blu-ray drive and sometime after 2010 all BD drives are version 2 drives and can read version 1 and 2 Disks.
6) There is no UHD drive mentioned!!!!!

There is no UHD drive mentioned!!!!. The PS3 BD-ROM 2X speed version 1 drive can not read a BD-ROM version 2 disk whether it has HD or UHD media, two layers or three layers.... A PS4 modern blu-ray 6X speed version 2 drive can read a Version 1 HD media disk and a Version 2 HD or UHD media disk.

The HD or UHD media on the disk does not make the disk format HD or UHD, it's always a Blu-ray disk that is read by a blu-ray drive, only the media and required read rate changes; 1080P HD requires a 1X drive and UHD requires a 4X drive. A 2 layer 50GB version 2 disk can support HD or UHD and some UHD movies to reduce costs will come on what amounts to version 1 disks with inverted track information.

On January 1, 2010, Sony, in association with Panasonic, announced plans to increase the storage capacity on their Blu-ray Discs from 25 GB to 33.4 GB via a technology called i-MLSE (Maximum likelihood Sequence Estimation). The higher-capacity discs, according to Sony, will be readable on current Blu-ray Disc players with a firmware upgrade. No date has been set to include the increased space, although in 2010 Blu-ray.com reported that "it will likely happen sometime later this year."[78]

[raygendreau]

LG Live Stream Press Conference starts at 7. AM PST, not 8 AM. if anyone is interested: (That's what the count down indicates)

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4717

EDIT Count down ended at 0, now counting up. Must be at 8 AM. Sorry for the confusion. It will be available live on YouTube, as well

CES 2016 LG - Press Conference - YouTube