Will Plasma owners transition to OLED?

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by IanC

I went from a Panasonic Plasma to an LG 55EA9800 OLED............to a mid range Sony LED HDTV and I don't regret doing so. The OLED could deliver stunning pictures and amazing black levels, but I found it's flaws outweighed the enjoyment factor. Motion blur was really bad and weak greyscale would result in DSE.

I was really spoiled with plasma technology and the OLED simply didn't feel like a huge step up. Plus, it was terrible for gaming, which I half expected but not to the level it actually performed. I would lose hours constantly fine tuning the settings and never being happy. It's the price you pay with early adoption, I'm well aware it was a first gen LG model and the tech is constantly being improved. I will happily reconsider OLED in a couple of years. I took a substantial loss when I sold it, but the Sony LED I now use provides a great picture, smooth motion and took limited effort to tweak out of the box.

Are you confused over LED and OLED being different?

Absolutely nobody, but you...

Says OLED is "bad for gaming". (screen tearing was noticeable on early sets at 30hz. But...even 60hz cheapo LCD have screen tearing)

(if you hadn't noticed...LG has incorporated native 120hz into several models, maybe all of them now)

[IanC]

Originally Posted by schan1269

Are you confused over LED and OLED being different?

Absolutely nobody, but you...

Says OLED is "bad for gaming". (screen tearing was noticeable on early sets at 30hz. But...even 60hz cheapo LCD have screen tearing)

(if you hadn't noticed...LG has incorporated native 120hz into several models, maybe all of them now)

Not confused at all. The gist of my post was simply that I got more satisfaction from a mid range LED TV (where I would expect flaws to be more prominent) than a high end OLED that promised the 'best viewing experience possible'. Please bear in mind, I am only referring to this model, not all OLED TV or OLED tech in general. The latest LG 4K models are holding their own, hence why I will be revisiting in a couple of years. I'm still huge believer in OLED.

I'm curious as to your 'absolutely nobody' statement, given several reviews for the EA9800 stated it would not be the preferred choice for gamers due to poor response times. OLED should of course knock this out of the park, but (on this set) it didn't. I simply found gaming a frustrating experience, something which has been echoed on the user forums. The 9800 relied an awful lot on Motion Interpolation to achieve what the advertising claimed it could do, but getting the balance right usually resulted in some sort of trade off, and I for one do not like MI technology.

[onyx527]

I'm in the same boat as others. My Samsung plasma still looks perfect. If we had to replace it today I really don't know what I'd get. I am not interested in LCDs, and OLED is still too new. I also didn't know they had motion problems before reading that here. Is that really the case?? They were supposed to have slightly better motion than plasma.

Hopefully they mature soon and things get fixed up. I seriously could not do an LCD.

[DGilberts]

Originally Posted by onyx527

I'm in the same boat as others. My Samsung plasma still looks perfect. If we had to replace it today I really don't know what I'd get. I am not interested in LCDs, and OLED is still too new. I also didn't know they had motion problems before reading that here. Is that really the case?? They were supposed to have slightly better motion than plasma.

Hopefully they mature soon and things get fixed up. I seriously could not do an LCD.

I'd buy a second hand plasma for sure.

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by onyx527

I'm in the same boat as others. My Samsung plasma still looks perfect. If we had to replace it today I really don't know what I'd get. I am not interested in LCDs, and OLED is still too new. I also didn't know they had motion problems before reading that here. Is that really the case?? They were supposed to have slightly better motion than plasma.

Hopefully they mature soon and things get fixed up. I seriously could not do an LCD.

Samsung and LG have made a lot of money by not underestimating stupid people.

Both add in undefeatable motion smoothing...cause...that is what stupid people want.

[Supaclyde]

My 42" Panasonic plasma turns 6 years old this month. Still going strong. I'll shed a few tears when it dies.

[Dirk504]

I have an awesome Samsung 58 inch plasma that is still performing at a very high level. Blu Ray's look better than LCD's I see in store. Still I will be in the market for a TV sometime next year when we buy a house. I plan on buying the 65 inch LG OLED TV. Do the pictures really get worse over the years? I saw one at the store and was blown away. Even the 1080p OLED TV was amazing.

[Auditor55]

Without Plasma owners transitioning to OLED, sooner rather than later, I don't see how that technology makes it. The masses are content with LED and they will reject OLED as unnecessary.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Without Plasma owners transitioning to OLED, sooner rather than later, I don't see how that technology makes it. The masses are content with LED and they will reject OLED as unnecessary.

The price point for OLED is what confuses me. If they can't produce them at a realistic price, no way there will me mass adoption any time soon.


I have the Kuro and a 79" Sony LED. Best picture? Kuro, of course. The Sony is an amazing movie/sports experience, but I'd rather have that than an OLED price point on a smaller television. If OLED doesn't catch on, very soon, it will be all about the money, not the picture.

[Visionist]

Originally Posted by antennahead

Same here. "When" an 80" OLED that doesn't cost as much as a used car is available with matured tech, my 65" ZT60 will move to the bedroom. Is that overkill? A 65" bedroom TV?

Not at all, not at all...



I'll be getting an OLED when: A) Multiple 4K 75+ inchers are available for £4000 or less. B) The best performer of the lot is undisputed. C) The always online 4K disk player fiasco is either gone or at least nullified. D) Enough of my favourite films start releasing on 4K disc (The Dark Knight Trilogy will really have me by the teeth at that point- 4K IMAX!) E) I figure out ho I'm gonna incorporate ATMOS into the bedroom setup.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by sperezmore

Plasma owner for years now

But.....

My wish,

75" - 85" OLED

Hopefully one day.

Regards,

My thoughts exactly.
Proud Kuro 5090 owner, but a bigger screen would be great.

[Midnight Rambler]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Without Plasma owners transitioning to OLED, sooner rather than later, I don't see how that technology makes it. The masses are content with LED and they will reject OLED as unnecessary.

I think you may be right, considering the "masses" still are content with DVD, esp. price-wise. I don't foresee $1000 (or less) OLED's any time soon.

[DGilberts]

I was coming round, getting excited and up for buying an OLED. Until I found out the life of the panels was so short. The Panasonic OLED has a 30,000 hour life panel, so I'm told. Will be a few more years before I'm jumping in then.

[joie]

Originally Posted by DGilberts

I was coming round, getting excited and up for buying an OLED. Until I found out the life of the panels was so short. The Panasonic OLED has a 30,000 hour life panel, so I'm told. Will be a few more years before I'm jumping in then.

You'd have to watch it like a fulltime job (2000 hours/year) for 15 years to get to 30000 hours.

[DGilberts]

Originally Posted by joie

You'd have to watch it like a fulltime job (2000 hours/year) for 15 years to get to 30000 hours.

My current tv has a lifetime of 100,000.00 hours.
30,000 hours is the complete life of the panel, but nobody really knows for sure whether it will reach that or not. The main consideration is by half the life of the panel when you will see a drastic decrease in the brightness. So realistically you are looking at 15.000 hours or 5-6 years of high quality viewing(if you watch your tv as a full time job). Is this really worth a £4000-£8000 investment?

A few years time will be the time to look at a new set up, i feel. Panel-Life, Motion, HDR 10 vs Dolby Vision etc etc should all be addressed by then.

[BiggNewt]

I gave up on trying to find a better picture at a bigger size than my Panny Plasma. I just went with a Sony HW40ES Projector at 110" and split time between the two. Until OLED's come drastically down in price per inch, or new UHD TVs become highly supported, I can't see me upgrading to anything else for quite a while.

[singhcr]

I too have a Panasonic VT60- it is an excellent TV especially when calibrated.

I have seen some OLED display models and was very impressed: the fundamental problem with LCD technology is the back light which no longer exists for OLED. OLED holds the promise of being the ultimate panel display with the ability to display colors and intensities well beyond even what our beloved plasmas can do.

The plasma TV is the pinnacle of 1080p SDR technology in my opinion. Soon we will be getting into 4K HDR content with wider color gamuts (hopefully REC 2020) and OLED is the logical successor. As much as I love my VT60, it's nice to look forward to a new technology for a change instead of having to lament about why it isn't an improvement quality wise over what we already had (i.e. CD vs. vinyl, digital cameras over film). I'm excited!

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I too have a Panasonic VT60- it is an excellent TV especially when calibrated.

I have seen some OLED display models and was very impressed: the fundamental problem with LCD technology is the back light which no longer exists for OLED. OLED holds the promise of being the ultimate panel display with the ability to display colors and intensities well beyond even what our beloved plasmas can do.

The plasma TV is the pinnacle of 1080p SDR technology in my opinion. Soon we will be getting into 4K HDR content with wider color gamuts (hopefully REC 2020) and OLED is the logical successor. As much as I love my VT60, it's nice to look forward to a new technology for a change instead of having to lament about why it isn't an improvement quality wise over what we already had (i.e. CD vs. vinyl, digital cameras over film). I'm excited!

Indeed it is just sad that 3 years after the panny plasmas and f8500 came out we have nothing to compete against them yet. We have the promise, but it isn't yet to be seen. Motion in particular remains an issue.

[Moonlight Shadow]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Indeed it is just sad that 3 years after the panny plasmas and f8500 came out we have nothing to compete against them yet. We have the promise, but it isn't yet to be seen. Motion in particular remains an issue.

My LG OLED blows away my old f8500. It's not even in the same league. Motion handling was better on the Samsung but I strongly dislike the false contouring on Panasonic plasmas.
OLED TVs are not perfect but to suggest that they aren't as good as the latest Samsung and Panasonic plasmas is just wrong. I've had all three at home and given the choice I'd take the OLED any time. Oh wait...there isn't any choice because plasma is dead.
I certainly agree though that motion handling should be improved by LG. Even more important they should get rid of the terrible pinkish anti-glare coating that ruins black and white movies and scenes with lots of white in the image.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Moonlight Shadow

My LG OLED blows away my old f8500. It's not even in the same league. Motion handling was better on the Samsung but I strongly dislike the false contouring on Panasonic plasmas.
OLED TVs are not perfect but to suggest that they aren't as good as the latest Samsung and Panasonic plasmas is just wrong. I've had all three at home and given the choice I'd take the OLED any time. Oh wait...there isn't any choice because plasma is dead.
I certainly agree though that motion handling should be improved by LG. Even more important they should get rid of the terrible pinkish anti-glare coating that ruins black and white movies and scenes with lots of white in the image.

I haven't seen every OLED but what I have seen the motion was enough to kill it for myself. It has also been a while since I have seen the f8500, my thoughts are really more directly related to the final panny plasmas.

I am excited for the future but we have to get there first. Or at least I have to see it myself before I get excited for it, so far that hasn't happened though being just a fan of a quality video presentation means I don't get to see everything out there by any means.