The Martian 4K UHD (2015) - Page 38 - Blu-ray Forum

Opips3 · 02-18-2016, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike

Reviews! Lol see 2k upscales work!

Want dance on MARS??

MisterXDTV · 02-18-2016, 10:29 PM

Well, not a good review at all.

At the beginning "additional detail is seen in VFX (???)" then "It's noisy, well you know it's upscaled (???)"

The "noise" is not caused by the 2160p resolution, it's caused by the HDR pass that changed the contrast and color grading of the movie!

Otherwise even the standard BD upscaled to 2160p would have looked "noisy"

JJ · 02-18-2016, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dvdmike

Reviews! Lol see 2k upscales work!

Seriously, DI or not, there's a noticeable improvement over the blu-ray.

But it's all "2K DI, UPSCALE, UPSCALE!" with the folks around here. Mobs with pitchforks.

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

"So it's kinda good but it's got this and that wrong with it while this and that is better and I had to change my settings anyway"

That's basically gonna be the template for UHD reviews from here on out

I noticed the noise issue he spoke of too, but I had no issues with my black levels.

Everyone's TV seems to react to the K8500 differently, so that'll be fun

Geoff D · 02-18-2016, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ

Everyone's TV seems to react to the K8500 differently, so that'll be fun

That's what I mean, it's an absolute crapshoot at the moment! Roll them dice and see where they land...

ray0414 · 02-18-2016, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Well, not a good review at all.

At the beginning "additional detail is seen in VFX (???)" then "It's noisy, well you know it's upscaled (???)"

The "noise" is not caused by the 2160p resolution, it's caused by the HDR pass that changed the contrast and color grading of the movie!

Otherwise even the standard BD upscaled to 2160p would have looked "noisy"

There you go putting your own personal spin on a review.

He clearly said it's "highly recommended" at the end, guessing you missed that part?

1 little bad thing 2 say and all the minions come out and say "SEE I TOLD YOU ALL IT WAS A SCAM!"

Hilarious.

MisterXDTV · 02-18-2016, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

There you go putting your own personal spin on a review.

He clearly said it's "highly recommended" at the end, guessing you missed that part?

1 little bad thing 2 say and all the minions come out and say "SEE I TOLD YOU ALL IT WAS A SCAM!"

Hilarious.

It says "highly recommended" without really explaining why! I mean come on did you read it?

That review literally contradicts itself in a matter of a few lines!

PeterTHX · 02-18-2016, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

"So it's kinda good but it's got this and that wrong with it while this and that is better and I had to change my settings anyway"

That's basically gonna be the template for UHD reviews from here on out

Why the surprise? Settings for DVD calibration did not work for BD either.

4K & HDR are new tech, it's going to be a while before there's a baseline.

Geoff D · 02-18-2016, 11:14 PM

I didn't say it was a surprise, it's more that these early "pro" reviews are even more worthless than they are normally. But I've got to disagree re: BD and DVD calibration though, about the only thing that fundamentally changed (seeing as both were encoded 8-bit 4:2:0) was the colour space from 601 to 709, and how many people were going that deep with calibration 10 years ago anyway?

"It's going to be a while before there's a baseline" is the understatement of the year, as I'm not sure there'll ever be a true consensus on how this stuff all fits together. Having separate tiers of HDR10 performance with the UHDA's own specs (one for LCD, one for OLED, basically) will pretty much guarantee that.

reanimator · 02-18-2016, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ

it's all "2K DI, UPSCALE, UPSCALE!" with the folks around here. Mobs with pitchforks.

I said a while back this would become the new teal-squealing, which it has. Please take note that the most critical voices of UHD-BD are coming from the people who haven't actually seen it.

PeterTHX · 02-18-2016, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

I didn't say it was a surprise, it's more that these early "pro" reviews are even more worthless than they are normally. But I've got to disagree re: BD and DVD calibration though, about the only thing that fundamentally changed (seeing as both were encoded 8-bit 4:2:0) was the colour space from 601 to 709, and how many people were going that deep with calibration 10 years ago anyway?

Quite a few, from I'd say even more than 20 years ago. Remember Joe Kane and the LaserDisc calibration, then the DVD version?

Stuff to correct for things like "RGB drift" from front projection...sigh. I'm old.

Geoff D · 02-18-2016, 11:26 PM

By "deep calibration" I don't mean checking a few settings using a test disc, I mean spectros, colorimeters, measuring software, the whole schmeer. But then you didn't say anything about LD to DVD either so I guess we're quits on the mind reading front.

dvdmike · 02-19-2016, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ray0414

There you go putting your own personal spin on a review.

He clearly said it's "highly recommended" at the end, guessing you missed that part?

1 little bad thing 2 say and all the minions come out and say "SEE I TOLD YOU ALL IT WAS A SCAM!"

Hilarious.

Reviews are nothing but a personal spin....

Xplosive · 02-19-2016, 05:14 PM

Well, this review isn't enough to buy The Martian Ultra HD BR (as it seems, the review is not really more impressed by it than The Martian 2K BR with 4K pscaling TV), but Kingsman, by their review, did a clearly better job and bests 2K BR in every way.

JJ · 02-20-2016, 08:11 PM

I'm gonna debut this movie tonight to others - well, I want to say "regular consumers" - as in, not A/V enthusiasts like me & you guys - and let you know their thoughts.

By others I mean the missus, and also my sister. See what the two of them think. They've been watching movies on my set-up for many years.

Pieter V · 02-23-2016, 06:33 PM

Blu-ray.com review

2themax · 02-23-2016, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieter V

Blu-ray.com review

I can't understand why everyone seems to think that it's a 2K mastered upscaled when it's been clearly stated that it's not...

dvdmike · 02-23-2016, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 2themax

I can't understand why everyone seems to think that it's a 2K mastered upscaled when it's been clearly stated that it's not...

We only have Fox PR to state otherwise, they were 100% right for predator getting a new master....

Leonidas King · 02-23-2016, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pieter V

Blu-ray.com review

Video a 4.5

Pieter V · 02-23-2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2themax

I can't understand why everyone seems to think that it's a 2K mastered upscaled when it's been clearly stated that it's not...

I have just PM'd him about it.

Khronikos · 02-23-2016, 06:54 PM

Seems like a nice release. But.... I have been buying almost all my good bluray transfers at 5 bucks. It's going to be a LONG road til 4K hits that point, at which I replace the transfers most in need.

This is the first gen where I feel most of my blurays hold up very well. With 4K bitrates presently in the closet I have no idea about noise especially. Wondering what transfers are going to do with extreme grain because 4K is going to show ALL of that nasty without some help, and the lesser bitrate, relevant to 50GB 1080 Blurays, is going to definitely lead to some shady tranfers IMO.

We'll see. Nice that it is getting off the ground.

02-19-2016, 05:14 PM	#753
Xplosive Junior Member Member since:Jan 2009 Blu-ray reviews:8	Well, this review isn't enough to buy The Martian Ultra HD BR (as it seems, the review is not really more impressed by it than The Martian 2K BR with 4K pscaling TV), but Kingsman, by their review, did a clearly better job and bests 2K BR in every way. Last edited by Xplosive; 02-19-2016 at 05:22 PM.

02-18-2016, 10:29 PM	#742
MisterXDTV Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2008	Well, not a good review at all. At the beginning "additional detail is seen in VFX (???)" then "It's noisy, well you know it's upscaled (???)" The "noise" is not caused by the 2160p resolution, it's caused by the HDR pass that changed the contrast and color grading of the movie! Otherwise even the standard BD upscaled to 2160p would have looked "noisy"

02-18-2016, 11:14 PM	#748
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I didn't say it was a surprise, it's more that these early "pro" reviews are even more worthless than they are normally. But I've got to disagree re: BD and DVD calibration though, about the only thing that fundamentally changed (seeing as both were encoded 8-bit 4:2:0) was the colour space from 601 to 709, and how many people were going that deep with calibration 10 years ago anyway? "It's going to be a while before there's a baseline" is the understatement of the year, as I'm not sure there'll ever be a true consensus on how this stuff all fits together. Having separate tiers of HDR10 performance with the UHDA's own specs (one for LCD, one for OLED, basically) will pretty much guarantee that.

02-18-2016, 11:26 PM	#751
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	By "deep calibration" I don't mean checking a few settings using a test disc, I mean spectros, colorimeters, measuring software, the whole schmeer. But then you didn't say anything about LD to DVD either so I guess we're quits on the mind reading front.

02-20-2016, 08:11 PM	#754
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:624 Blu-ray collection:1298 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	I'm gonna debut this movie tonight to others - well, I want to say "regular consumers" - as in, not A/V enthusiasts like me & you guys - and let you know their thoughts. By others I mean the missus, and also my sister. See what the two of them think. They've been watching movies on my set-up for many years.

02-23-2016, 06:33 PM	#755
Pieter V Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2010 Location:The Netherlands Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:14	Blu-ray.com review

02-23-2016, 06:54 PM	#760
Khronikos Banned Member since:May 2013	Seems like a nice release. But.... I have been buying almost all my good bluray transfers at 5 bucks. It's going to be a LONG road til 4K hits that point, at which I replace the transfers most in need. This is the first gen where I feel most of my blurays hold up very well. With 4K bitrates presently in the closet I have no idea about noise especially. Wondering what transfers are going to do with extreme grain because 4K is going to show ALL of that nasty without some help, and the lesser bitrate, relevant to 50GB 1080 Blurays, is going to definitely lead to some shady tranfers IMO. We'll see. Nice that it is getting off the ground.

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