Still not convinced

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Dirk504

For what it's worth, I plan to jump into the 4k market as soon as my house is finished getting built in a few months. With that said, Blu Ray will still be the go to choice for my media room because I prefer a projected 120 inch screen over a 4k TV half the size. When 4k projectors are affordable, I'm all in though.

Also, I've seen 4k movies and they look really good, but the big advantage is when you're watching them on an OLED TV. Outside of that, it's decent, but not as noticeable as DVD--> Blu Ray. But then again, I have a really good Plasma that's picture is amazing. Someone with a 1080p LCD/LED TV might be blown away by watching 4k movies on anything that's not OLED.

Good stuff don't let the nay sayers say you can't see the difference even on a B&W only CRT from the 70's!!

Time to watch some Smurfs.

[larrs]

Originally Posted by Derb

Good stuff don't let the nay sayers say you can't see the difference even on a B&W only CRT from the 70's!!

Time to watch some Smurfs.

[pawel86ck]

Anyway yes it all looks MUCH more real and authentic than does the accompanying BD. Hope this is what you were looking for.

That's what I wanted to hear, thank you.

But judging quality based on contrast/colour/brightness is so subjective as to be ridiculous. Those settings can be changed dramatically on a regular telly simply with half a dozen random button pushes.

Have you ever tried to use phone in bright sunlight? This is good example, because phone with bright LCD screen will look dimmed if you use your phone in direct sunlight.

TV reviewer who shot that Mad Max HDR comparison picture also wrote, that in real life TV on the right was bright and whole picture looked very good. It only looks dimmed in comparsion to HDR HDTV, dont you understand?

Those settings can be changed dramatically on a regular telly simply with half a dozen random button pushes.

Technically speaking, picture settings can be changed, but if you do that to BT709 material, it will always look fake and unnatural.

HDR is not some dynamic mode eqvivalent, as you clearly trying to say, and you cant replicate that bright look look on BT709 material. With HDR technology only certain details will be bright, while other details can remain dimmed and dark as in real life.

But in all BT709 materials peak white must be set at 100 nits max, so very time when you will boost backlight settings too much in your HDTV (because for example you will like to see really bright picture), entire picture will look fake and unnatural, because everything will be bright and vivid (not just certain areas).

So far I have read quite few Mad Max UHD impressions, and most people like that presentation. One reviewer even wrote, that it's hard to watch old BD after seeing UHD version, for him that difference was so huge. And BTW. people like you can still watch old BD version if you dont like how HDR changed original theatrical look (UHD version still use 2K materials, so you will not see big resolution improvement anyway)

[doctor_who]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Bottom line:

As of today, a properly calibrated display to rec 709 with Blu-ray is a more accurate way to watch the movie than it is with UHD BD. Again, it's because of standards. There are no standards for UHD and HDR. It is impossible to see how the disc is meant to be - and again, how they even mastered these discs is a huge question as we are seeing how some of the Lionsgate titles have incorrect black levels. It's ridiculous really.

DVD is the right way to watch a movie! It looks more like the film-maker intended! Blu-ray looks so fake!!!

Signed,
People who didn't switch from DVD to blu-ray when it started up.

Sound familiar?

[42041]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

DVD is the right way to watch a movie! It looks more like the film-maker intended! Blu-ray looks so fake!!!

Signed,
People who didn't switch from DVD to blu-ray when it started up.

Sound familiar?

No?

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

DVD is the right way to watch a movie! It looks more like the film-maker intended! Blu-ray looks so fake!!!

Said no one ever.....

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

DVD is the right way to watch a movie! It looks more like the film-maker intended! Blu-ray looks so fake!!!

Signed,
People who didn't switch from DVD to blu-ray when it started up.

Sound familiar?

It may be familiar, but it's wholly irrelevant. This is not a matter of emotionally-biased opinion (or defense of purchase decisions); it's a simple and absolute fact about a technical standard (or the lack thereof).

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Dirk504

For what it's worth, I plan to jump into the 4k market as soon as my house is finished getting built in a few months. With that said, Blu Ray will still be the go to choice for my media room because I prefer a projected 120 inch screen over a 4k TV half the size. When 4k projectors are affordable, I'm all in though.

Also, I've seen 4k movies and they look really good, but the big advantage is when you're watching them on an OLED TV. Outside of that, it's decent, but not as noticeable as DVD--> Blu Ray. But then again, I have a really good Plasma that's picture is amazing. Someone with a 1080p LCD/LED TV might be blown away by watching 4k movies on anything that's not OLED.

Good point.

[pawel86ck]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

DVD is the right way to watch a movie! It looks more like the film-maker intended! Blu-ray looks so fake!!!

Signed,
People who didn't switch from DVD to blu-ray when it started up.

Sound familiar?

When I watched "Aliens" Bluray for the first time I was amazed, but one guy wrote me that he still prefer DVD version. He explained, that BD verison is too detailed, and so all CGI sequences looks obviously fake and unnatural compared to DVD version.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by pawel86ck

When I watched "Aliens" Bluray for the first time I was amazed, but one guy wrote me that he still prefer DVD version. He explained, that BD verison is too detailed, and so all CGI sequences looks unnatural compared to DVD version.

Any "CGI sequences" you see in the movie, Aliens, are going to look unnatural on any format.*







*there are no CGI sequences in the movie

[littlepooch21]

It's so funny to see all this arguing back and forth. Who really cares? If you like what UHD gives you then buy it, if you don't forget it. Personally I purchased a 4K tv and I had the UHD player. I liked it but decided that I preferred a larger screen so I sold my stuff off and got a 75 inch 1080p Sony 3D tv. I can live with the Blu-ray picture for the larger screen. Now if I could afford a 75 inch 4K display I would have went that route.

[pawel86ck]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Any "CGI sequences" you see in the movie, Aliens, are going to look unnatural on any format.*

*there are no CGI sequences in the movie

To be clear, I prefer BD verison, but when I first saw that movie on CRT (in SD resolution) for the first time, I also didn't noticed fake special ffects, but on BD verison it was obvious (so that guy was right)

So guys, dont bother with BD and UHD formats, when you can always watch DVD. On small CRT even that shark in jaws 3 DVD should look like real, and I belive it was Joe Alves intention (he was Jaws 3 movie director) to make that shark believable

[bruceames]

It's funny to read about being a stickler for what's meant to be seen, while these same people have no qualms about the higher resolution making special effects look fake and revealing wires or other previously hidden objects. The only difference is that in this case the HDR actually makes scenes look more real and authentic, not less. I'm very happy with the format and from what I read across various forums, so are the vast majority of others (the main exceptions being those with non-HDR TVs).

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by littlepooch21

It's so funny to see all this arguing back and forth. Who really cares?

If anyone is engaged enough to be going back and forth about it, I would guess that those people care.

Originally Posted by littlepooch21

If you like what UHD gives you then buy it, if you don't forget it.

It's not that simple. UHD has the potential to be a fantastic format that can give us more fidelity to the original movies than we've ever had before. However, right now, it's at risk of being misused in a way that actually gives us less fidelity than standard Blu-ray. I love the potential of the format, so if that potential is being wasted, "forget it" is not a reasonable solution for me. If we'd just said "forget it" when videos were only being released pan-and-scan, we wouldn't have today's fantastic situation, in which almost every release is in its correct aspect ratio.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

It's funny to read about being a stickler for what's meant to be seen, while these same people have no qualms about the higher resolution making special effects look fake and revealing wires or other previously hidden objects. The only difference is that in this case the HDR actually makes scenes look more real and authentic, not less. I'm very happy with the format and from what I read across various forums, so are the vast majority of others (the main exceptions being those with non-HDR TVs).

This is true.

For most of these movies, if someone were to watch it and not know it had hdr treatment, they wouldn't even know it. They wouldn't say anything looked faked, they'd just be amazed at how realistic it looks.

Sicario looked amazing in 4k hdr. Do I know exactly what's different? Nope, but it looked great and outdoor scenes looked amazing and detailed and super clean.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

It's funny to read about being a stickler for what's meant to be seen, while these same people have no qualms about the higher resolution making special effects look fake and revealing wires or other previously hidden objects. The only difference is that in this case the HDR actually makes scenes look more real and authentic, not less. I'm very happy with the format and from what I read across various forums, so are the vast majority of others (the main exceptions being those with non-HDR TVs).

It's not real life it's a ****ing movie

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

If anyone is engaged enough to be going back and forth about it, I would guess that those people care.



It's not that simple. UHD has the potential to be a fantastic format that can give us more fidelity to the original movies than we've ever had before. However, right now, it's at risk of being misused in a way that actually gives us less fidelity than standard Blu-ray. I love the potential of the format, so if that potential is being wasted, "forget it" is not a reasonable solution for me. If we'd just said "forget it" when videos were only being released pan-and-scan, we wouldn't have today's fantastic situation, in which almost every release is in its correct aspect ratio.

Well I've only watched about 7 movies and so far I see no abuse of HDR. Haven't seen the Lionsgate movies or Mad Max either. The ones I've seen are:

Kingsman
Hitman
Wild
San Andreas
The Peanuts Movie
Exodus: Gods and Kings
Smurfs 2

Of those, Wild and San Andreas look the most natural, only revealing HDR in the scenes with more lighting involved (which is actually most of them, but the extra brightness only affects certain areas of the scene).

The Peanuts Movie looked the most impressive, which isn't a surprise since it was graded for HDR.

If any movie was overdone I would say Smurfs 2. But they probably figured it was mainly animation and a launch movie so they wanted the colors to pop more.

Really curious about the Expendables 3, but won't be getting that for a few weeks.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

It's funny to read about being a stickler for what's meant to be seen, while these same people have no qualms about the higher resolution making special effects look fake and revealing wires or other previously hidden objects.

There's a simple, practical difference:

If you want to watch a too-resolute disc at a lower resolution, you can just set your player to output a lower resolution.

If you want to watch an SDR movie in its proper color grade from an HDR disc, you're just out of luck.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Well I've only watched about 7 movies and so far I see no abuse of HDR.

That's an interesting theory- the "looks ok to me" test.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's not real life it's a ****ing movie

Well heck, we may as well go back to mono and forget about Atmos. It's not real life anyway. What's the point in having a fire look more real if it's only a movie.