Worst Star Wars/LOTR/Matrix/Transformers/Batman dialog

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Hmm, he merged with one agent and destroyed him; therefore, that leads you to assume he can do the exact same thing to every agent. Hmm, he beat up Smith in the first Matrix and destroyed him; yet, Neo couldn't do the same thing to the very same Smith in Revolutions. Wonder why that is?

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't.

In fact, the only reason (that is based in reason) that I can think of that Neo 'wouldn't' be able to do the same thing in 2/3, is that the Smith program was no longer connected to the Matrix. "Free", as Smith put it, a rouge program. So, maybe Neo would not have been able to modify a program not directly called by the Matrix (similar to the Trainman, Keymaker, Oracle, or the Merovingian). Smith was beyond the control of the Matrix/Source/Machines, whatever, so Neo no longer had a way to get freaky with Smith's code.

The only hole in THAT theory is that Smith could overwrite others (Seraph, the Oracle, and everybody else in the Matrix).

Scenarios:
A) Smith can overwrite others, Neo can overwrite Smith but didn't. Leaves the possibility of a two-way interface open.

B) Smith can overwrite others, Neo Can't. Uses a one-way interface to overwrite another program's code, but other programs can't overwrite him. Not Bloody Likely IMO.

I just can't buy the idea that Neo couldn't do it. I just think he felt that was a useless way to try to stop Smith (especially the dozens of Smiths in the Burly Brawl), and just flat-out DIDN'T.

[sam89]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't.

In fact, the only reason (that is based in reason) that I can think of that Neo 'wouldn't' be able to do the same thing in 2/3, is that the Smith program was no longer connected to the Matrix. "Free", as Smith put it, a rouge program. So, maybe Neo would not have been able to modify a program not directly called by the Matrix (similar to the Trainman, Keymaker, Oracle, or the Merovingian). Smith was beyond the control of the Matrix/Source/Machines, whatever, so Neo no longer had a way to get freaky with Smith's code.

The only hole in THAT theory is that Smith could overwrite others (Seraph, the Oracle, and everybody else in the Matrix).

Scenarios:
A) Smith can overwrite others, Neo can overwrite Smith but didn't. Leaves the possibility of a two-way interface open.

B) Smith can overwrite others, Neo Can't. Uses a one-way interface to overwrite another program's code, but other programs can't overwrite him. Not Bloody Likely IMO.

I just can't buy the idea that Neo couldn't do it. I just think he felt that was a useless way to try to stop Smith (especially the dozens of Smiths in the Burly Brawl), and just flat-out DIDN'T.

The simple answer is that Neo didn't delete Smith at the end of the first Matrix, he just destroyed his shell. The only place a program can be deleted is at the Source. And considering that the last time that he jumped into someone, they came back as a multiplying virus, I don't think he would be in a rush to try it again

[doctorsteve]

Originally Posted by sam89

The simple answer is that Neo didn't delete Smith at the end of the first Matrix, he just destroyed his shell. The only place a program can be deleted is at the Source. And considering that the last time that he jumped into someone, they came back as a multiplying virus, I don't think he would be in a rush to try it again

(Nodding) just as The Oracle's shell changed after her program was altered by the source after she chose to help Neo (this was explained by the Wachowskis after Gloria died and they had to recast the part). I remember reading that this was explained in further detail in Last Flight of the Osiris.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by doctorsteve

Just because he didn't, doesn't mean he couldn't.

In fact, the only reason (that is based in reason) that I can think of that Neo 'wouldn't' be able to do the same thing in 2/3, is that the Smith program was no longer connected to the Matrix. "Free", as Smith put it, a rouge program. So, maybe Neo would not have been able to modify a program not directly called by the Matrix (similar to the Trainman, Keymaker, Oracle, or the Merovingian). Smith was beyond the control of the Matrix/Source/Machines, whatever, so Neo no longer had a way to get freaky with Smith's code.

The only hole in THAT theory is that Smith could overwrite others (Seraph, the Oracle, and everybody else in the Matrix).

Scenarios:
A) Smith can overwrite others, Neo can overwrite Smith but didn't. Leaves the possibility of a two-way interface open.

B) Smith can overwrite others, Neo Can't. Uses a one-way interface to overwrite another program's code, but other programs can't overwrite him. Not Bloody Likely IMO.

I just can't buy the idea that Neo couldn't do it. I just think he felt that was a useless way to try to stop Smith (especially the dozens of Smiths in the Burly Brawl), and just flat-out DIDN'T.

Yeah, he couldnt because Smith was no longer controlled. Smith simply "infected" the other programs to clone himself.

The other agents were still controlled, which is why IMO there is no valid reason for the continued "fighting".