The Official Klipsch Speakers Thread

[jhawkjd]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

It's because they were mixed differently, it has nothing to do with the compression techniques used. I.e., in Top Gun, one of the BRs where TrueHD and DTS-HD MA are offered - TrueHD might sound weaker, but it is the original theater track when the movie was released. The DTS-HD MA track was remixed for the release. Say, in the DVD versions of LOTR, where the theatrical releases are Dolby, and the extendeds have DTS-ES - the mix, again, was done differently. Not how the original track itself was compressed.

I know that with lossless it isn't the technology but the sound technicians. And the Top Gun BR is a perfect example. I listened to both. The DTS track sounds like I'm there in the middle of it. The Dolby track sounds like I'm listening to cheap special effects. The fact that the Dolby track rattles the windows and doors just as well as the DTS track doesn't make it sound any better.

The same can be said of SACD and DVD-A discs. Quite a few of the Multichannel SACD recordings have been mixed better whereas the DVD-A discs I have sound unnatural. It's pretty much in how the sound was mixed.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Slec

Speaking of compromise:

I'm thinking the answer to this will be a function of what I use the speakers primarily for:
Which is more important? having the speakers pushed off the wall for better mid-range and lower end reproduction, or pushed back a few inches from the wall but even with the center channel for imaging?

My room doesn't allow for the speakers to be equidistant from the main viewing position and satisfy distance from the wall...

Any thoughts?

edit: I realize what sounds best to me is the best option. I'm trying to keep the conversation going and think this is a decent question.

Go for the imaging - let the sub handle the dirty work. This is just my opinion. The closer you get to the wall - bass will increase the further away from the side and back walls the less bass. I can have my speakers out away from the walls even if they didn't produce bass well - I have 2-15 inch subs up front.

p.s. Do those beautiful hardwood floors cause any problems for your listening? (They are very beautiful)!!!

[Slec]

Originally Posted by prerich

Go for the imaging - let the sub handle the dirty work. This is just my opinion. The closer you get to the wall - bass will increase the further away from the side and back walls the less bass. I can have my speakers out away from the walls even if they didn't produce bass well - I have 2-15 inch subs up front.

p.s. Do those beautiful hardwood floors cause any problems for your listening? (They are very beautiful)!!!

I've been messing with the positioning quite a bit. The low end was a bit muddy with everything in line, and I kept blaming my sub (blame = moving it around). Finally I set the sub in place where it sounded best and brought the speakers off the wall a foot. Voila, muddiness gone, nice tight bass. I have the fronts setup at full band, so maybe I just need to put a crossover point on them.
Which brings up another one of those random things I can't shake. I HAVE to have overlap between my sub and speakers. To me it makes for a much more fluid/seamless transition of sound. (sub at 80Hz, fronts won't be crossed higher than 60Hz). Anyone else have these odd proclivities?

As for the floors, they initially caused some serious fatiguing when listening to music at high volume levels. I found by laying a rug down a good bit of that gets soaked up leaving a nice level pleasing sound. As I said in a previous post, the speakers continue to not be as bright as they break-in, and I'm finding that I don't need to bring in a rug anymore. I mostly watch movies on my setup, but love blasting music when doing housework though.

I just got the Vivaldi blu and it is absolutely gorgeous! Now if only they'd release that damn Foo Fighters disc

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Slec

I've been messing with the positioning quite a bit. The low end was a bit muddy with everything in line, and I kept blaming my sub (blame = moving it around). Finally I set the sub in place where it sounded best and brought the speakers off the wall a foot. Voila, muddiness gone, nice tight bass. I have the fronts setup at full band, so maybe I just need to put a crossover point on them.
Which brings up another one of those random things I can't shake. I HAVE to have overlap between my sub and speakers. To me it makes for a much more fluid/seamless transition of sound. (sub at 80Hz, fronts won't be crossed higher than 60Hz). Anyone else have these odd proclivities?

As for the floors, they initially caused some serious fatiguing when listening to music at high volume levels. I found by laying a rug down a good bit of that gets soaked up leaving a nice level pleasing sound. As I said in a previous post, the speakers continue to not be as bright as they break-in, and I'm finding that I don't need to bring in a rug anymore. I mostly watch movies on my setup, but love blasting music when doing housework though.

I just got the Vivaldi blu and it is absolutely gorgeous! Now if only they'd release that damn Foo Fighters disc

That's something that I failed to mention - although you lose bass - your bass becomes more accurate and tight when you bring the out from the walls. Now, have you experimented with toe-in yet? The right amount of toe-in will open up the image and soundstage of your speakers (at least in the sweet spot) !!!

[Slec]

Originally Posted by prerich

That's something that I failed to mention - although you lose bass - your bass becomes more accurate and tight when you bring the out from the walls. Now, have you experimented with toe-in yet? The right amount of toe-in will open up the image and soundstage of your speakers (at least in the sweet spot) !!!

i've thought about playing with it more than they are currently setup. The room actually does allow for a sweet spot, but I prefer to sit in an off center seat against the wall so I can lay down on the sofa and watch tv/movies. If I set the toe-in properly it diminishes the sound where I normally sit. What I wouldn't give for a bigger and dedicated theater room.

[Uniquely]

I've had my Klipsch F-2's, S1's, C1's & sub10 for about a month and a half now. I had been looking at an SVS set forever, but decided I wanted towers so I went with the Klipsch's.

I bought them at Circuit City because they had a pretty decent special on them, and the upgrade bug had been nagging me for so long..... and the money was just sitting in savings while I debated with myself about what to get..... so dammit I went one Sat afternoon and bought them. The display models sounded AWFUL in their listening room as he blared some ancient war scene as loud as it would go... but I really wasn't expecting to hear their true potential anyway in a Circuit City listening room of course.

I got them home and set them up and I did not like them. Yes... they were 50 times better than what I was used to..... but they didn't have the sound I'd been imagining in my head all those months. They were harsh and fatiguing at high volumes, and I was even more dissappointed with how music sounded.

I got to say that after learning how to set my speaker levels on my receiver, and play with the positioning, and most importantly just letting the speakers have time to age and mellow a bit..... I'm really falling in love with them!

[Clapton101]

I cant wait to be able to start setting mine up. I ordere the RF-82, RC-62, RS-52 and RW-12d all came in but the towers they said they are back ordered sucks. but at least they will be in next week, hopefully? Does it take quite a while to get them set just right?

[allstar780]

Originally Posted by Clapton101

I cant wait to be able to start setting mine up. I ordere the RF-82, RC-62, RS-52 and RW-12d all came in but the towers they said they are back ordered sucks. but at least they will be in next week, hopefully? Does it take quite a while to get them set just right?

I did like 4 hours of fine tuning of my system, which is probably far more than most people on here lol... just make sure if you're hooking up through a receiver with audyssey calibration you run that, but also make sure the speakers are positioned well... and I'd recommend letting them break in before the calibration... run them for 50-100 hours on music or pink noise

[prerich]

Originally Posted by allstar780

I did like 4 hours of fine tuning of my system, which is probably far more than most people on here lol... just make sure if you're hooking up through a receiver with audyssey calibration you run that, but also make sure the speakers are positioned well... and I'd recommend letting them break in before the calibration... run them for 50-100 hours on music or pink noise

Excellent advice -

[TENSE]

Originally Posted by allstar780

I did like 4 hours of fine tuning of my system, which is probably far more than most people on here lol... just make sure if you're hooking up through a receiver with audyssey calibration you run that, but also make sure the speakers are positioned well... and I'd recommend letting them break in before the calibration... run them for 50-100 hours on music or pink noise

hey whats pink noise?

[allstar780]

Originally Posted by TENSE

hey whats pink noise?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_...1.2Ff.29_noise

thats the scientific explanation... basically its wider-band white noise (my understanding anyways... who cares what it is, i know what i use it for lol)

[TENSE]

Originally Posted by allstar780

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_...1.2Ff.29_noise

thats the scientific explanation... basically its wider-band white noise (my understanding anyways... who cares what it is, i know what i use it for lol)

great link alstar!

[prerich]

For those of you that know nothing about the heritage line, but would like to try it, Vanns has an amazing deal through Amazon - Heresy III's at 1000.00 a pair http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-Heresy...3988254&sr=1-1. (Although I prefer the Original Heresy - they go deeper - the new ones however are more sensitive - 98db). The bass shouldn't matter because you guys usually crossover at 80hz anyway.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by TENSE

hey whats pink noise?

White noise has the same distribution of power for all frequencies, so there is the same amount of power between 0 and 500Hz, 500Hz and 1,000Hz or 20,000Hz and 20,500Hz.

Pink noise has the same distribution of power for each octave, so the power between 0.5Hz and 1Hz is the same as between 5,000Hz and 10,000Hz.

In case, you don't know what an Octave is, assume one note has a frequency of 200Hz, the note an octave above it is at 400Hz, and the note an octave below is at 100Hz. The ratio of frequencies of two octaves is 2:1. Another examlple: 50Hz is one octave below 100Hz, and 400Hz is two octaves above 100Hz.

[hotbeef]

sorry, i haven't read through the whole thing but i got the thx ultra 2 sytem with the two subs

[prerich]

Originally Posted by hotbeef

sorry, i haven't read through the whole thing but i got the thx ultra 2 sytem with the two subs

Very nice system (take some pics and put it over in the Home Theater Pictures section). How does that system perform on music? I've heard it before (about 2004 in Chesapeake, VA at a cool audio shop called Domes Audio Video Enviorments) listened to "Master and the Commander" very dynamic - didn't get a chance to listen to music on it (too busy listening to the Totems, Kefs, ML's and Paradigms that they had in the store). I was wondering - does it reproduce music well? I have three Heresy I's upfront (I also have dual subs). One thing that I do like about your system is that the front three speakers are identical

P.S. Welcome to the board!!!!!

[ixlegitballinxl]

my local craigslist has a pair of klipsch cornwalls from the 80's for $800 lol

thought of this thread when i saw them.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by ixlegitballinxl

my local craigslist has a pair of klipsch cornwalls from the 80's for $800 lol

thought of this thread when i saw them.

Very respectable speakers K-Horns without the corner placement really - hence the designation corn-wall (k-horns with a C that can be placed against or parallel to a wall). If they put them on Ebay they will sell them at that price or greater. In Atlanta I saw a pair of Belles for $200.00 (each speaker) . Trying to see if he still has them!

[TENSE]

hey does any one know how loud i have play my speakers if they are brand new? i know you have to atleast play them for 50-100 hours and not to loud. but how loud is to loud? i have a pair of klipsch rf-82's by the way!

[prerich]

Originally Posted by TENSE

hey does any one know how loud i have play my speakers if they are brand new? i know you have to atleast play them for 50-100 hours and not to loud. but how loud is to loud? i have a pair of klipsch rf-82's by the way!

How long have you had them TENSE? They may be broken-in by now.