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[dyne]

Pachter at it again playing Captain Obvious. I mean really, how the hell do you make a career spouting off the obvious like he does (or on the flip side being so completely wrong)? Can I be paid to say people need air to breathe or that water is wet?

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/05/0...stern-support/

“[With] the NX, I think you are going to see very low third-party support outside of Japan unless the thing is a hit.

[Havok83]

thats a catch 22 bc without third party support it wont be a hit

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by dyne

Pachter at it again playing Captain Obvious. I mean really, how the hell do you make a career spouting off the obvious like he does (or on the flip side being so completely wrong)? Can I be paid to say people need air to breathe or that water is wet?

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/05/0...stern-support/

Well at least this will be one of his rare predictions to come true.

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

Well at least this will be one of his rare predictions to come true.

His prediction doesn't really make sense.

Wii was a massive hit and 3rd party support was terri-bad.
https://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the...wall-of-shame/
3rd parties instead supported the PS3 no matter what, even right from the start although it sold like crap not for a few months, but for years.

Wii U at least has managed to get all sorts of proper indie support, which are 3rd parties too. Nintendo changed all sorts of things, even before the Wii U launched - I guess they anticipated those great "unprecedented partnerships" with the bigger publishers. For example on other consoles developers have to pay basically a crazy amount of cash, when they want to push out an update. No idea if that's still the case for PS4+Xbox, but it sure was and still is the case for PS3 + 360. Nintendo changed that to 0 bucks. Yeah, it's free for devs to push out updates on Wii U. And I guess also on 3DS. That's also why all sorts of stupid bugs are never fixed on PS3. Because it simply costs an arm and a leg.

It seems NX will be able to run all sorts of mobile games too. And I assume with buttons, which means all sorts of games will play best on it.

Think about how silly it is that for example Rockstar couldn't be bothered to for example port their PS2 GTAs onto Wii (their engine was already running on Wii, used by Bully), but mobile phones were good enough for it ... without buttons. lol This way the NX will be able to run those games too.

Originally Posted by Havok83

thats a catch 22 bc without third party support it wont be a hit

Yeah, think about Wii without the superb and fantastic 3rd party support. Oh wait...

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by jimidini

His prediction doesn't really make sense.

Wii was a massive hit and 3rd party support was terri-bad.
https://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the...wall-of-shame/
3rd parties instead supported the PS3 no matter what, even right from the start although it sold like crap not for a few months, but for years.

The PS3 had alot going against it early in last gen. Games were the least of its troubles. Without those games it would have done alot worse. For what its worth, they were able to turn things around.

Wii U at least has managed to get all sorts of proper indie support, which are 3rd parties too. Nintendo changed all sorts of things, even before the Wii U launched - I guess they anticipated those great "unprecedented partnerships" with the bigger publishers. For example on other consoles developers have to pay basically a crazy amount of cash, when they want to push out an update. No idea if that's still the case for PS4+Xbox, but it sure was and still is the case for PS3 + 360. Nintendo changed that to 0 bucks. Yeah, it's free for devs to push out updates on Wii U. And I guess also on 3DS. That's also why all sorts of stupid bugs are never fixed on PS3. Because it simply costs an arm and a leg.

I think the publishers would rather pay MS and Sony to push out updates on the platforms where their games actually sell and make money, than have free updates on the Wii U, where no one buys their software

Yeah, think about Wii without the superb and fantastic 3rd party support. Oh wait...

Everyone knows the Wii's sales were an anomly. It drew in a ton of nontraditional gamers that were wow'd by the motion controls but didnt support the system. Many got their fix with Wii Sports and/or Wii Fit and didnt bother to actually buy games

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by jimidini

His prediction doesn't really make sense.

Wii was a massive hit and 3rd party support was terri-bad.
https://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the...wall-of-shame/
3rd parties instead supported the PS3 no matter what, even right from the start although it sold like crap not for a few months, but for years.

Wii U at least has managed to get all sorts of proper indie support, which are 3rd parties too. Nintendo changed all sorts of things, even before the Wii U launched - I guess they anticipated those great "unprecedented partnerships" with the bigger publishers. For example on other consoles developers have to pay basically a crazy amount of cash, when they want to push out an update. No idea if that's still the case for PS4+Xbox, but it sure was and still is the case for PS3 + 360. Nintendo changed that to 0 bucks. Yeah, it's free for devs to push out updates on Wii U. And I guess also on 3DS. That's also why all sorts of stupid bugs are never fixed on PS3. Because it simply costs an arm and a leg.

It seems NX will be able to run all sorts of mobile games too. And I assume with buttons, which means all sorts of games will play best on it.

Think about how silly it is that for example Rockstar couldn't be bothered to for example port their PS2 GTAs onto Wii (their engine was already running on Wii, used by Bully), but mobile phones were good enough for it ... without buttons. lol This way the NX will be able to run those games too.

Yeah, think about Wii without the superb and fantastic 3rd party support. Oh wait...

The Wii had shit for third party support unless you consider well selling crap like Carnival Games as "quality" third party support. Nearly every top-notch third party game that generation never saw the light of day on the Wii.

[Talal86]

the wii is the exception, not the rule. it was a hit because of the technology not the games, a big percentage of the user base only owned wii sport (or a game similar to that)

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Talal86

the wii is the exception, not the rule. it was a hit because of the gimmick not the games, a big percentage of the user base only owned wii sport (or a game similar to that)

FYP

[D00mM4r1n3]

Originally Posted by jimidini

His prediction doesn't really make sense.

Wii was a massive hit and 3rd party support was terri-bad.
https://pietriots.com/2010/12/17/the...wall-of-shame/
3rd parties instead supported the PS3 no matter what, even right from the start although it sold like crap not for a few months, but for years.

Wii = 1771 games
PS3 = 811 games

Wii was not lacking 3rd party support, it was lacking quality in its 3rd party support. Gamers complained about lack of 3rd party games with the Gamecube and Nintendo reacted by lowering their quality standards by allowing tons of crappy indie games to be released on disc. PS3 almost bankrupted Sony.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by D00mM4r1n3

Wii = 1771 games
PS3 = 811 games

Wii was not lacking 3rd party support, it was lacking quality in its 3rd party support. Gamers complained about lack of 3rd party games with the Gamecube and Nintendo reacted by lowering their quality standards by allowing tons of crappy indie games to be released on disc. PS3 almost bankrupted Sony.

No it didn't. Sony's problems were largely due to it's other flailing divisions. The gaming division didn't play a big role in Sony's dark times as a company. In fact if you look at the historical value of the company it bottomed out in late 2012 when the PS3 was doing fine, not in the early days after the console was struggling.

The PS4 is completely dominating this generation but even that console hasn't really improved Sony's performance all that much due to it's other poorly performing product lines.

[Havok83]

Yea, the gaming division all but saved Sony. It's been their most profitable one for years, even before the PS4 came out. Without the PS3, they'd be in a far worse place today

[Dynamo of Eternia]

More rumors that the NX won't have a traditional disc drive (ala CD, DVD, BD), but instead will utilize higher capacity carts/cards similar to the 3DS.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/more-...ndo-nx/0166530

This could potentially be a really good thing IMO. The cost of flash memory has gone down a lot over the years. They can easily have cards that meet or exceed the capacity of the BDs used by the PS4 and Xbone.

This would likely allow the games to be read directly off of the cards rather than needing to be installed, so that the issues of hard drive space that are a concern with the PS4 and Xbone won't be an issue.

Also depending on how they handle this, it would be awesome if they could allow dlc for the game to be saved directly to the card rather than in some kind of separate system memory. And if they were to allow it to be tied to that copy of the game rather than the console, it could make playing the game on another console (if something bad happens to the one someone already has to start with) much, much easier.

It would also make it easier playing the games on a console at someone else's house, etc.


I know all of this is a huge "if," but if it does pan out this way, and if 3rd party companies support the system, I could see opting to get the games on the NX over the other two systems (both of which I already own).

[Mavrick]

It would also kill off any possibility of backwards compatibility, which a lot of people seem to really really want/need.

But Nintendo can make more money making us buy games again on VC so makes sense for them to ditch it.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

It would also kill off any possibility of backwards compatibility, which a lot of people seem to really really want/need.

But Nintendo can make more money making us buy games again on VC so makes sense for them to ditch it.

Admittedly that is the one thing that I wouldn't be thrilled about would be the lack of backwards compatibility. But if that is in exchange for the potential advantages that I outlined in my last post, I can live with it.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

More rumors that the NX won't have a traditional disc drive (ala CD, DVD, BD), but instead will utilize higher capacity carts/cards similar to the 3DS.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/more-...ndo-nx/0166530

This could potentially be a really good thing IMO. The cost of flash memory has gone down a lot over the years. They can easily have cards that meet or exceed the capacity of the BDs used by the PS4 and Xbone.

This would likely allow the games to be read directly off of the cards rather than needing to be installed, so that the issues of hard drive space that are a concern with the PS4 and Xbone won't be an issue.

Also depending on how they handle this, it would be awesome if they could allow dlc for the game to be saved directly to the card rather than in some kind of separate system memory. And if they were to allow it to be tied to that copy of the game rather than the console, it could make playing the game on another console (if something bad happens to the one someone already has to start with) much, much easier.

It would also make it easier playing the games on a console at someone else's house, etc.


I know all of this is a huge "if," but if it does pan out this way, and if 3rd party companies support the system, I could see opting to get the games on the NX over the other two systems (both of which I already own).

I can get a 32Gb flash drive for 10 dollars, a 128Gb Flash for 29 dollars and its faster then blu ray hell yes way to go Nintendo old school FTW!

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

It would also kill off any possibility of backwards compatibility, which a lot of people seem to really really want/need.

But Nintendo can make more money making us buy games again on VC so makes sense for them to ditch it.

Why cant the system have a DVD for Wii U/wii games AND a SD card slot for NX games?

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Why cant the system have a DVD for Wii U/wii games AND a SD card slot for NX games?

It could be it's highly unlikely. Every rumor and patent points to only a card reader. I doubt Nintendo will want to increase the product cost just to accomodate a zombie console.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Why cant the system have a DVD for Wii U/wii games AND a SD card slot for NX games?

What would be the point? It would be like adding an N64 slot to the Gamecube, it just wouldn't make any sense for them to include both, especially when eliminating the disc drive not only would save them a lot of money in manufacturing the console, but make people spend more money re buying their games on the VC again.

The capacity and data transfer rates are a plus, I'd still expect £40+ prices for new releases.

Like the last time this rumour came up, it makes sense if they are going to have some sort of handheld hybrid cross over that both systems use the same media, obviously discs aren't ideal for handhelds, so carts are the way to go.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Why cant the system have a DVD for Wii U/wii games AND a SD card slot for NX games?

Simple! Because Nintendo isn't going to add unnecessary cost to their console just to have backwards compatibility for a system that only has a 12 million userbase. I really think Wii U owners need to let go of hope that NX will be backwards compatible. I just don't see that happening. Nintendo needs a hard "re boot" and start from scratch, building their userbase. The best thing they can do is disassociate themselves from the Wii U as much as possible.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Simple! Because Nintendo isn't going to add unnecessary cost to their console just to have backwards compatibility for a system that only has a 12 million userbase. I really think Wii U owners need to let go of hope that NX will be backwards compatible. I just don't see that happening. Nintendo needs a hard "re boot" and start from scratch, building their userbase. The best thing they can do is disassociate themselves from the Wii U as much as possible.

It would save money, yes. But it doesn't need to disassociate itself with the Wii U necessarily. The GameCube was largely a failed console and yet the Wii initially included backwards compatibility for the GC. Worked out fine for that console. But I do agree that it almost certainly won't be BC.