Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Krizzle1

I dont think you understand how downloading works, you can download high picture quality movies with the high end audio tracks. These downloads are often around the actual size of the bluray almost a 1:1 copy, but yeah you can download a remaster of a film which has audio that sounds like its been ran through a potato

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Would we have companies going out of there way to give us the best PQ or will be stuck with anything the download gives to us and no one accountable for a crap transfer because no one gives a dam about PQ?

My point is that supporting Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray (high-end physical media) will continue to urge companies like Apple to increase the quality of their iTunes copies or Vudu to invest in including more restored versions of movies and increasing bitrates over time. Streaming will be forced to keep up with physical media until they're ultimately equal in theory. At that point studios could go digital-only. Will that ever happen? Who knows. But it's not going the opposite direction.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Rocket Richard has already stated he is not interested in PQ and many who seen the demise of PDP for LCD said exactly the same, so that choice was eventually removed from us.

Why do you keep mentioning I am not interested in PQ?? I’m assuming you are talking about Picture Quality, then of course I am.

And any demise of product is simply due to better technology improving it and leaving it in the dust.

Are you perhaps also on the VHSForum complaining that the VCR was also removed from you??

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

My point is that supporting Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray (high-end physical media) will continue to urge companies like Apple to increase the quality of their iTunes copies or Vudu to invest in including more restored versions of movies and increasing bitrates over time. Streaming will be forced to keep up with physical media until they're ultimately equal in theory. At that point studios could go digital-only. Will that ever happen? Who knows. But it's not going the opposite direction.

Once the competion is removed and we are left with a majority of viewers like Rocket Richard what then?

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Why do you keep mentioning I am not interested in PQ?? I’m assuming you are talking about Picture Quality, then of course I am.

And any demise of product is simply due to better technology improving it and leaving it in the dust.

Are you perhaps also on the VHSForum complaining that the VCR was also removed from you??

You stated you were not?

Streaming is not a step up.

[Rocket Richard]

Yeah, I also stated grade 6 took me 12 years to complete, but I assumed you knew I was joking.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by tele1962

Once the competion is removed and we are left with a majority of viewers like Rocket Richard what then?

We're already at a point where people get to choose the quality of their digital copy. Some might choose the lower quality version, but they won't eliminate high quality versions, especially if they know there are still people out there who once collected Blu-rays. They want to make money, not piss off collectors. And then there could still be companies out there making display-worthy packaging for movies that people can line their shelves with, only there won't be movies inside them. Just booklets, cards, etc.

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

We're already at a point where people get to choose the quality of their digital copy. Some might choose the lower quality version, but they won't eliminate high quality versions, especially if they know there are still people out there who once collected Blu-rays. They want to make money, not piss off collectors. And then there could still be companies out there making display-worthy packaging for movies that people can line their shelves with, only there won't be movies inside them. Just booklets, cards, etc.

The experts and the businesses that rely on mastering etc?

I am not on about the quality of the download but the quality of the film to be downloaded who will be accountable? Will we be given a transfer with auto clean up, grain removed etc. A cut version because companies will not do the leg work to find the best elements. We will be at the mercy of what these companies want to give us.

Disney are already making an appalling mess of their classic animated transfers and will not listen to anyone regarding this situation.

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

We're already at a point where people get to choose the quality of their digital copy. Some might choose the lower quality version, but they won't eliminate high quality versions, especially if they know there are still people out there who once collected Blu-rays. They want to make money, not piss off collectors. And then there could still be companies out there making display-worthy packaging for movies that people can line their shelves with, only there won't be movies inside them. Just booklets, cards, etc.

How common is it for people to buy physical media just for the packaging and just so that it looks good on their shelf? Only reason I still buy blu-ray is because of the quality, not the packaging or that I want something to look good on my shelf. In fact I get rid of most of the cases and store all my blu-rays in binders which sit on my shelf. The only time I care about the kind of packaging is that I prefer not to have blu-rays packaged in cardboard sleeves and would look for version with different packaging, which is why I bought the steelbook version of the Back to the Future Trilogy 30th anniversary over the digibook version.

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by PCFan

How common is it for people to buy physical media just for the packaging and just so that it looks good on their shelf? Only reason I still buy blu-ray is because of the quality, not the packaging or that I want something to look good on my shelf. In fact I get rid of most of the cases and store all my blu-rays in binders which sit on my shelf. The only time I care about the kind of packaging is that I prefer not to have blu-rays packaged in cardboard sleeves and would look for version with different packaging, which is why I bought the steelbook version of the Back to the Future Trilogy 30th anniversary over the digibook version.

It's more common than you think, most steelbook collectors don't open them. I have the T-800 Terminator head, The Hogwart Castle Harry Potter collection, the Owl ship Watchmen, The t-Rex JP and many many more cool boxset and to be honest I didn't bought any of those for the movie, in fact I can't name one that I didn't already had the movie beside JP and JW.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

My point is that supporting Blu-ray and UHD Blu-ray (high-end physical media) will continue to urge companies like Apple to increase the quality of their iTunes copies or Vudu to invest in including more restored versions of movies and increasing bitrates over time. Streaming will be forced to keep up with physical media until they're ultimately equal in theory. At that point studios could go digital-only. Will that ever happen? Who knows. But it's not going the opposite direction.

What about that 'pay by screen size' element? Don't you see that as a troublesome development?

[master gandhi]

Of course there will have to be trends carried over to digital from the physical media world. Remastered versions could pop up that require double dips. Special features are added to several movies on iTunes, so that can still exist.

So remastered movies with bonus features don't have to be a thing of the past. I truly hope that never happens. Films must be preserved in their highest possible quality, and digital doesn't have to take that away.

And special features help boost sales, whether people watch them or not. That's why they slap stickers on the cover of a DVD/Blu-ray boasting its extras, and why iTunes tells you about the iTunes Extras on the movies they sell. It gets people to buy instead of just rent.

And just as tiger_qc said, it's pretty common that people buy movies sometimes just for the packaging. That's why studios re-re-release movies in every type of packaging imaginable with various cover art even. Retailer-exclusives are sometimes (mostly) about just packaging.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by tele1962

The experts and the businesses that rely on mastering etc?

Disney are already making an appalling mess of their classic animated transfers and will not listen to anyone regarding this situation.

Then that is what you will get on Blu-ray, and they will not listen to anyone.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by tele1962

In which way

Grain reproduction, color and contrast range, chroma resolution etc. pp.

it comes very close if done correctly and in some cases will look better than it ever has.

Who defines "close"? And why is Blu-ray "close" and, say, a Netflix UHD stream isn't?

Where and not for PQ they aint.

Sure they are. For example Sony's UHD downloads.

I will try one more time, if we go down the download root what then happens to the restoration and remaster of film material as it is like taking a high end remasterd audio track and being made to listening to it on a telephone.

Film restoration didn't start with Blu-ray and it won't end with Blu-ray.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What about that 'pay by screen size' element? Don't you see that as a troublesome development?

Yes. In your world SteepHeels!

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by knight17

Just a note for the digital enthusiasts - Let us say that a blu ray takes up about 40gb (for a 50gb dual layer disc) for the movie (including audio and video), you do realise that this will be compressed to around 3-5 gb for streaming or downloading, right?

You can already watch stuff on Netflix and other sites in 4K. Are you telling me that same show is going to look better on a Blu-ray disc ?

The future is already here, and digital steaming/downloading PQ will only get better, right?

[tiger_qc]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

You can already watch stuff on Netflix and other sites in 4K. Are you telling me that same show is going to look better on a Blu-ray disc ?

The future is already here, and digital steaming/downloading PQ will only get better, right?

On Blu-ray you OWN the show, shows on Netflix aren't there forever, I watched Nip/Tuck on Netflix about a year ago it's not there anymore.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Tonight I'm catching up on NCIS New Orleans and the last episode was buffering every 2 or 3 minutes. The tv is hooked with Ethernet and the internet was fine. Something was up with that episode on CBS All Access. Gee you have to love constant buffering. Luckily the next episode is running better.

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[alchav21]

Originally Posted by tele1962

You stated you were not?

Streaming is not a step up.

You guys don't think it's a Step Up, but we HD Digitals think it's the Next Step!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Originally Posted by knight17:
Just a note for the digital enthusiasts - Let us say that a blu ray takes up about 40gb (for a 50gb dual layer disc) for the movie (including audio and video), you do realise that this will be compressed to around 3-5 gb for streaming or downloading, right?


You can already watch stuff on Netflix and other sites in 4K. Are you telling me that same show is going to look better on a Blu-ray disc ?

The future is already here, and digital steaming/downloading PQ will only get better, right?

That has to do with BitRate, and to get Blu-ray quality HD Digital you need more Bandwidth. Vudu HDX is closing this gap, and the BitRate increases according to your Bandwidth. That's why I say with a Fiber Infrastructure it's possible to have the same BitRate as any Blu-ray or UHD Blu-ray Disc.