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Old 05-29-2016, 07:05 PM   #41
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When does the embargo end?
Tomorrow.

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3D strength estimations are relative to a visual source's weakest intent and visual components strongest detail resolving capability.
Indeed they are.

I really don't like to get sucked into rating depth and layering, even more so when I'm watching a film for the first time. I either notice the 3D (as I did with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Out Of The Shadows) or I find my brain rendering it forgettable (e.g. large chunks of The Amazing Spider-Man).

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Old 05-29-2016, 07:34 PM   #42
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When it comes to depth one man's medium is another man's strong and I am rarely disciplined enough to make mental notes about layering but I do notice pop-outs, and there were just about enough of those to keep me happy throughout. In any case, if the first was was your favourite theatrical experience of 2014 you really should see this one, whether it's medium or strong to your eyes.

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Thanks. I know you have a preference for strong 3D, so your view of Turtles 2 3D gives me hope compared to what I saw in the 3D trailer, where they may have dialed the 3D down. Plus I'm a fan of the Turtles so I'll check it out either way.

Medium 3D I like. It's mild 3D I'm not a fan of except for distance scenery where it's appropriate. Strong 3D is the best though for the most exciting 3D, promoting 3D and gaining more 3D fans when the stereographers are planning and preparing the film's 3D.

No big deal, though comparing 3D and estimating the range is easier if I just remember the strongest 3D films I've seen (Pacific Rim 3D, Turtle's Tale 2, underwater in Creature from the Black Lagoon as a few fast examples) and then compare that visual memory of the 3D with what I'm watching on screen, but also flipping up my glasses to check out the levels of separation of the double image, depending on the layer being affected the most: Pop out, foreground, midground and background.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:17 AM   #43
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Thanks. I know you have a preference for strong 3D, so your view of Turtles 2 3D gives me hope compared to what I saw in the 3D trailer, where they may have dialed the 3D down.
As much as I enjoyed it, I would have preferred the 3D stronger, though I did appreciate the pop-outs and indeed the film itself. I've seen far worse conversions and it did feel stronger than the original though it's probably broadly the same in terms of depth and layering. Anyway now the embargo is off I can go into more detail.

Bebop and Rocksteady have plenty of quality screentime but I was most impressed by Krang, who looked excellent in 3D. Megan Fox gets to dress as a schoolgirl so that's a plus, her and Will Arnett also seemed like they had less screen time than in the original, the Turtles were rightly the stars.

Shredder was the disappointment this time out, I would have preferred him not to remain unmasked for most of the movie, it made him feel more generic.

There's a lot of time spent up high - on top of buildings and in the air - so the 3D has something more to work with. I did feel like the film was treading water a bit in the middle but then the best action scene of the film kicked in and boy did that look good in 3D. The downside to upping the action of course is the overfamiliar overbusyness that you can get with big budget action films, particularly during the finale. But that's a minor complaint, when the end credits kicked in I had a big smile on my face.
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Sounds great 13thman. Thanks.

I did notice in the trailers that Shredder wasn't wearing his helmet mask as he always does in the original cartoon series, though in the first movie, he wore it most of the time aside from his introduction scenes. Good to hear Krang looked believable in 3D, along with the big action scenes. Will definitely check it out next weekend when it arrives here.
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Like expected, critics are tearing this apart.
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This movie like Transformers will be critic proof. I must admit though I don't understand how some movies are critic proof and some aren't. I would have thought BvS was critic proof but it suffered a hell of a drop off and never reached that magic $1B
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"The upcoming Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows will have a one-week run in IMAX 3D theaters kicking off on June 2, 2016. The action film will be digitally remastered into the IMAX format, according to the announcement by Paramount Pictures, Nickelodeon Movies and IMAX Corporation."

http://www.showbizjunkies.com/news/t...-imax-release/

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Old 06-01-2016, 12:35 AM   #48
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Like expected, critics are tearing this apart.
As expected, considering the first one got 22% of 100% critics not liking it on Rottentomatoes.com, which reflects the fact that they're more than likely not fans of the Turtles. I enjoyed the first one and hope this offers equal entertainment.

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This movie like Transformers will be critic proof. I must admit though I don't understand how some movies are critic proof and some aren't. I would have thought BvS was critic proof but it suffered a hell of a drop off and never reached that magic $1B
There will always be those who base their viewings on critic reviews first for movies/genres they may not be big fans of.

Critics should say at the beginning of their review, if they're a fan or not of the genre of the movie. That would give audiences much better perspective of their reviews. Some do, most don't. Many of them are paid to see movies/genres they're not fans of, then tear it apart.

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"The upcoming Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows will have a one-week run in IMAX 3D theaters kicking off on June 2, 2016. The action film will be digitally remastered into the IMAX format, according to the announcement by Paramount Pictures, Nickelodeon Movies and IMAX Corporation."

http://www.showbizjunkies.com/news/t...-imax-release/

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"The upcoming Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows will have a one-week run in IMAX 3D theaters kicking off on June 2, 2016. The action film will be digitally remastered into the IMAX format, according to the announcement by Paramount Pictures, Nickelodeon Movies and IMAX Corporation."

http://www.showbizjunkies.com/news/t...-imax-release/

cool, looks like i'm gonna see it in IMAX 3D then.
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This movie like Transformers will be critic proof. I must admit though I don't understand how some movies are critic proof and some aren't. I would have thought BvS was critic proof but it suffered a hell of a drop off and never reached that magic $1B
Good question... it's tempting to say it's down to audience reaction/word of mouth, as Batman v Superman got a "B" CinemaScore from opening day target audiences. That sounds decent but it's actually pretty poor for a major FX/Superhero tentpole. And, ironically, the same score as the 2014 Ninja Turtles (and Catwoman, and Green Lantern).

But BvS is actually doing significantly worse than even the CinemaScore would suggest; per CS the average domestic cume of a "B" movie is 2.9x its opening weekend, which for BvS would be $481 million (which is clearly not happening with it now out of wide release at just $329 million). It could be because there was a massive level of hype, inflating the initial opening take, or because it's less family-friendly than something like Turtles or even a Marvel flick and thus has a smaller potential audience. Or it could be that people who saw it after opening day just liked it less than most of TMNT's audience liked that.

Interestingly the 2.9x multiplier was right on the money for Turtles. Green Lantern (2.2x) and Catwoman (2.4x) also fell short. Even if BvS ends at $340 million it'll actually have had significantly less holding power than both (2.04x).

Sorry if I'm rambling, I've got a thing for statistics >.>
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Very interesting UFAlien, thanks for your thoughts. The Transformers movies keep on rolling regardless of reviews, yet a flawed but solid movie like BvS really got put through the ringer.
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Just saw this. 3D is very similar to the first film's. Fairly deep and some fun popouts. I agree - the whole sequence in Brazil, which begins with the airplane bit from the trailers and ends with the river bit also from the trailers, is the highlight of the 3D and the movie. The tank projectile was the best pop-out of the flick; some other fun ones include Raph's head and stuck-out-tongue and a grenade. Spotted a handful of conversion errors but nothing really too egregious.

The movie itself is, I think, the best in the series since The Secret of the Ooze. Entertaining, light-hearted, action packed, and stupid, but in a fun and silly way. This time around the Turtles are the main characters for sure, with April and Casey being supporting roles and Will Arnett's cameraman having a very small but important role. The Foot clan are actually ninjas instead of generic thugs too, with swords instead of machine guns. Shredder is cool while onscreen but doesn't get much payoff, and Krang's not onscreen much. But Bebop and Rocksteady are fun and get plenty of focus.

As to the "soft reboot" thing - it makes reference to the first film but only semi-loosely. As mentioned, the Foot Clan is suddenly very different with no explanation. Shredder and Karai are both played by totally different actors. And no mention is made of Eric Sacks, but it's also never explicitly stated Shredder worked alone, so it's more an omission than a contradiction. If you can accept recasting and the idea that Shredder made the Foot more Japanese without Eric's influence, it works fine as a straight sequel.

Also some cute references to the cartoon, Transformers, and even Vanilla Ice.
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Thanks UFAlien. Sounds great and it's good to hear you enjoyed it and the 3D.
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Saw this last night as well, really enjoyed it. I'd say the 3D was a bit better than the first but about the same. Me and my friend thought that the film itself was better than the first. So worth seeing for sure.
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Wow, the 3D was awesome in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows 3D and matches the strong 3D of Pacific Rim's strong 3D hybrid conversion. Prime Focus World was listed in the end credits, aside from the CGI stereographer of the film's CGI assets. Mostly strong 3D whenever the turtles were onscreen which was 90% of the movie compared to the last one. When offscreen, the 3D hits the medium, high medium range unless it was a CGI character onscreen, then it's back up to strong 3D.

I definitely agree that the airplane scene and water rapids look very strong in 3D. This team clearly cares about offering a great 3D experience. The 3D trailer had me worried, but as soon as the movie started, with the scene on the top of the building in NYC, the strong 3D put my mind to rest immediately.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows 3D
Theater: Cinemark XD 3D (comparable to Imax 3D)
3D Layers: 10/10. Strong 3D most of the time, some medium 3D. A+
3D Pop Out Count: 8/10. The jet scene has the most pop outs. Great.
3D Framing: 8/10. Most shots framed nicely for 3D with lots of layers to enjoy.
3D Conversion: 8/10. Live action segments look good in 3D. I didn't notice any big errors of the 3D conversion. Matches the CGI nicely most times.
3D Native CGI: 10/10. Animated, CGI characters with clearly strong 3D.
Theater's 3D Projection: Great and calibrated perfectly from Cinemark XD.
Total 3D Score: 10/10. This is the live action CGI 3D theatrical film to beat this year. A+ for the 3D.

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Monster Trucks 3D: January 2017 release. 3D is mild to medium at best. I'll probably pass but the driving monster segments look fun.


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Saw this last night as well, really enjoyed it. I'd say the 3D was a bit better than the first but about the same. Me and my friend thought that the film itself was better than the first. So worth seeing for sure.
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I saw this on Friday in imax 3d. Let me tell you...this was the best 3d I've seen this year! Had great depth and a handful of pop-outs! The movie itself was just as good as the first. I actually thought it was a little better. It was a nice touch to have this in imax!
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The worldwide box office is going to have to carry the weight this time during the crowded box office summer. Last time, Turtles 3D released in August if I remember. This one was put right in the herd of big summer movies, so it's a tougher sell. From what I see, it's not playing everywhere yet.

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Distributor: Paramount Release Date: June 3, 2016
Genre: Action / Adventure Runtime: 1 hrs. 52 min.
MPAA Rating: PG-13 Production Budget: $135 million
Domestic: $35,250,000 50.9%
+ Foreign: $34,000,000 49.1%
= Worldwide: $69,250,000
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...d=tmnt2016.htm
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Distributor: Paramount Release Date: August 8, 2014
Genre: Action / Adventure Runtime: 1 hrs. 41 min.
MPAA Rating: PG-13 Production Budget: $125 million
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $191,204,754 38.8%
+ Foreign: $302,128,830 61.2%
= Worldwide: $493,333,584
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...d=tmnt2013.htm
$65,575,105 for week 1 on the first movie. August was less crowded in 2014 compared to June 3rd's 2016 release of part 2 with $35,250,000.
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Yeah quite a drop off for the sequel on opening weekend. Wonder if we'll get a third. I'll wait for 3D blu ray for this one.
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Sucks, the TMNT always gets the 3D right. The movies have been so/so but the 3D is so spectacular that they are must own and must see. I really don't understand people who watch movies in 2D rather than 3D.

Alice and TMNT were very average movies that had I watched in 2D I would have been extremely disappointed but in 3D that are visually dynamic. The recent run of BvS, CA, Alice, X Men, and TMNT have been great for 3D fans, they have been getting 3D right lately.
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