Game developers developing backwards

[BluManta]

Originally Posted by ikcizokm

Coming from someone who used to work in the gaming industry--and has friends who work for Tiburon Studios (makes of Madden NFL), id, Activision, Blizzard and Maxis--I can tell you that WickyWoo isn't completely off the mark here.

From a performance standpoint, X360 and PS3 are about equal. Same for graphics (go read the Gamespot article about how the X360 trumps the PS3 visuals). But this is a combination of factors here, because how a game looks or performs depends as much on hardware as it does on programming and optimization. I'm sure PS3, due to the hardware, might be able to best the X360 in many categories, but the developer interest isn't there. And quite honestly, until Sony flushes the bugs out of, and drastically improves, their online services, it'll remain that way. Multiplayer MAKES a game these days, and there just isn't a Halo or Gears of War or C&C3 equivalent for PS3... yet.

Personally I think there's only room in the American economy for 2 of the 3 consoles, so someone will have to give. I wouldn't mind if the Wii is Nintendo's last console and they license their properties out for cross-platform development in the future, because they've fallen so far behind in terms of quality, selection and innovation. Sony and MS can share the market, but Sony needs to be careful because, as I stated, MS has a HUGELY popular online appeal that'll only get strong with PC integration on Xbox Live.

Just my $0.02, from a former insiders perspective.

I do agree with you and its kinda what i'm trying to say. The ps3 can beat the 360 but its very hard to make it do that. where as the 360 is easy to make a good game for. PS3 developers have to try alot harder to make a game equal to a game that was easy to make on a 360. But a game that would beat the 360 will be extreamly hard.
Multiplayer online is the future of gameing. Its fun and make consoles extreamly social. You dont have to go out to make friends. Also everybody loves to play with/against a real person and not a computer. Its really fun.
No doubt Xbox live kicks PSN's ass at the moment. Mostly because you can join chats anytime you like. You dont have to quit the game. And you can look at messages or send new ones without exiting a game. I know resistance have gone halfway but it would be great if you could do it from the ps button anytime.
I remember hearing that its up to the developers to make this possible. Its not. Its up to sony. Developers cant develop for the PS button or XMB. It has to be done in an update.

Anyhoo, Sony have some work to do aswell as developers. And I am sure it will be fixed in the future.

[WickyWoo]

From reading that article, I think you may be slightly confused as it does not mention anything regarding the SPE and PPE. The PPE and SPEs (as far as I have read on the net) support multiple programming languges and the same can be used for both. The part where they differ is that the code to be run on the SPEs must be written seperate from the main PPE programming

You're probably right that that's what I'm misremembering

In either case, I still highly recommend the Carmack video. It's fascinating

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...plindex=5sMdBA

[Ender]

Originally Posted by BluManta

Multiplayer online is the future of gameing.

I hope not, that will be the end of gaming for me. I would much rather immerse myself in a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil than listen to little kids screaming obscenities in whatever generic FPS is popular at the moment.

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by Ender

I hope not, that will be the end of gaming for me. I would much rather immerse myself in a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil than listen to little kids screaming obscenities in whatever generic FPS is popular at the moment.

Yup, online games haven't matured nearly as much as the best single player experiences. However great your internet connection may be.. other people can still have or even cause connection problems and spoil your enjoyment.

[BluManta]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Yup, online games haven't matured nearly as much as the best single player experiences. However great your internet connection may be.. other people can still have or even cause connection problems and spoil your enjoyment.

Thanx, you kinda backed me up. I said the future. Story Co-op games will be better then a single player story game. Just Imagine GTA with Co-op. Or Resi Evil Co-op. Actually Resi Evil is more of a single player game. Is more scary on your own lol. Still, co-op would be cool.

[Shin-Ra]

FFXIII in last years E3 battle trailer already looks better than the FFVIII ballroom dance (both the FFVIII FMV and PS2 tech demo versions).

And if you can find a clear enough video of the PS2 tech demo, it's really not as impressive as you may remember it being.

[Azza]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

FFXIII in last years E3 battle trailer already looks better than the FFVIII ballroom dance (both the FFVIII FMV and PS2 tech demo versions).

I work at a square enix building in UK, couple months ago the employees such as my self got to see some the battle system in action, Its pretty unbelievable i could'nt even believe it was all in real time. This E3 your get to see what im talking about, if they show the same footage.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by Azza

I work at a square enix building in UK, couple months ago the employees such as my self got to see some the battle system in action, Its pretty unbelievable i could'nt even believe it was all in real time. This E3 your get to see what im talking about, if they show the same footage.

It's pretty cool that you work at Square Enix. I can't wait to see the E3 coverage of this!

[aaronwt]

Originally Posted by Ender

I hope not, that will be the end of gaming for me. I would much rather immerse myself in a Final Fantasy or Resident Evil than listen to little kids screaming obscenities in whatever generic FPS is popular at the moment.

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Try www.pregamelobby.com
If it wasn't for the people from this site I wouldn't play online very much. It's more adult oriented or at least sensible people oriented where you don't get some kid screaming obscenities in the Mic. And it's just for fun. If you aren't very good at a game, no big deal.

[RichiPuppy]

Look at ps2 games when it came out and what they look like today, there is alot of room left in what the cell can do. Don't forget that ff8 was a 480i game on the psone, it was probably 30fps if they were lucky, I am pretty sure it could render the ball room scene, the computers of that time were alot slower then they are today, a cell processor like the PS3 has would be a programmer's dream back then.

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by aaronwt

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Try www.pregamelobby.com
If it wasn't for the people from this site I wouldn't play online very much. It's more adult oriented or at least sensible people oriented where you don't get some kid screaming obscenities in the Mic. And it's just for fun. If you aren't very good at a game, no big deal.

Thanks for that link, aaronwt. It's tough finding a good crowd to play with these days, on any platform.