Anchor Bay doing BD-Rs - Blu-ray Forum

zeze · 08-04-2016, 05:10 PM

So it looks like Anchor Bay are now doing BD-Rs. Viral was just released this week and according to Amazon it is a BD-R. Hopefully other major studios don't take this route as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Viral-Blu-ray...ords=viral+dvd

TripleHBK · 08-04-2016, 05:14 PM

I see this eventually being the direction physical media may take several years from now. Unless something changes with how discs are created and the costs/required orders come down, this could be a potential future we face. I'm 50/50 on this. On one hand, if it wasn't for the BD-R it may never have gotten a US release, so I'm ok with this if it means everything is released on a physical product with cover, menu, special features, etc. On the other hand it seems ridiculous that studios couldn't print the minimum 1000 units (or preferably more) and then rely on the BD-R route for subsequent "pressings" if more were needed for films like this were purchase totals won't likely be very high.

scorpiontail60 · 08-04-2016, 05:29 PM

If this means we get more niche releases on BD that aren't going to sell well then who gives a shit if it's a burned or pressed disc? It's something we wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

The disc is just a means to an end of getting a digital copy of the movie ripped to my file server's hard drive anyway. It's pointless how high quality the disc is as long as my computer's Blu-ray drive is capable of reading all of the data off it once. Actually watching a movie off a disc? How... primitive.

The Great Owl · 08-04-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

Actually watching a movie off a disc? How... primitive.

PowellPressburger · 08-04-2016, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

If this means we get more niche releases on BD that aren't going to sell well then who gives a shit?

The disc is just a means to an end of getting a digital copy of the movie ripped to my file server's hard drive anyway. It's pointless how high quality the disc is as long as my computer's Blu-ray drive is capable of reading all of the data off it once.

the disc is NEVER EVER EVER a means to an end to get a digital copy for me.

but I agree I don't see any major films hitting a BD-R disc. Sadly I think they will have poor sales for just about any BD-R they release. Can only imagine how bad the quality would be.

saltysam · 08-04-2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

the disc is NEVER EVER EVER a means to an end to get a digital copy for me.

but I agree I don't see any major films hitting a BD-R disc. Sadly I think they will have poor sales for just about any BD-R they release. Can only imagine how bad the quality would be.

quality i'm sure will be fine. longevity of the disc is a different issue however.

TripleHBK · 08-04-2016, 06:30 PM

BD-R's are a viable choice and quality won't be a concern whatsoever with the presentation of the film. Compatibility could become an issue for some folks (Xbox One) and longevity could be different (or it may be the same, we really don't know), unless you flip the disc over you'll never know the difference in that regard. My concern would come from the likelihood that failure rates could go up, but that's purely speculation on my part. If it get's niche films to market in "complete" packages it's better than the alternative... no physical release.

DetroitSportsFan · 08-04-2016, 06:32 PM

If they stick to making films like this BD-R, most of us won't have anything to worry about.

Musicguy · 08-04-2016, 07:19 PM

DVDs are different than Blu-rays. To put a film without any clean up on to a DVD is one thing - and burn on demand. To go through the process of having a Blu-ray master done is another - and that is where the costs lie. Plus a manufactured disc will last longer - the cost savings only hurts the consumer in the long run

movieben1138 · 08-04-2016, 07:22 PM

I accidentally bought a BDr once and immediately returned it. I can't get behind this.

NoirFan · 08-04-2016, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

If they stick to making films like this BD-R, most of us won't have anything to worry about.

Agreed. Anchor Bay haven't been Anchor Bay for many, many years.

pmil · 08-04-2016, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by saltysam

quality i'm sure will be fine. longevity of the disc is a different issue however.

Consumers can create their own "pressed" discs by using MDiscs. MDisc is the most archival medium in existence. Look it up. I use them for my photos and my important files and documents. Amazing technology that unfortunately few people know about. The only problem is that that would be too expensive for most people. The 50GB discs are over $9 each when bought in 25 packs. Ouch.

That said, since BD-Rs do not use a dye like DVD recordable, they are expected to last up to 150 years. They also have the same scratch resistant coating. I don't expect to live another 50 years so it would be OK with me **IF** the choice was that or no movie or Tv show at all.

HD Goofnut · 08-04-2016, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpiontail60

If this means we get more niche releases on BD that aren't going to sell well then who gives a shit if it's a burned or pressed disc? It's something we wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

The disc is just a means to an end of getting a digital copy of the movie ripped to my file server's hard drive anyway. It's pointless how high quality the disc is as long as my computer's Blu-ray drive is capable of reading all of the data off it once. Actually watching a movie off a disc? How... primitive.

Mobe1969 · 08-04-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zeze

So it looks like Anchor Bay are now doing BD-Rs. Viral was just released this week and according to Amazon it is a BD-R. Hopefully other major studios don't take this route as well.

https://www.amazon.com/Viral-Blu-ray...ords=viral+dvd

I noticed that. I thought I was dreaming. I was wanting that movie, but I'm not interested in decaying dye based blu rays. Or am I just paranoid, burnt by DVD press on demands?

cakefactory · 08-04-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pmil

That said, since BD-Rs do not use a dye like DVD recordable, they are expected to last up to 150 years. They also have the same scratch resistant coating. I don't expect to live another 50 years so it would be OK with me **IF** the choice was that or no movie or Tv show at all.

Good info, if that is true then I don't care if it's a BD-R. I was opposed to DVD-Rs cause of the stories I'd heard about them ceasing working in like 10 years. I just assumed the same was true of BD-Rs.

GasmaskAvenger · 08-04-2016, 08:54 PM

BD-Rs do seem way more durable than DVD-Rs, so there's nothing to worry about.

That said, most BD-R releases are dedicated to real junk or have transfers that are rather junk. However, I don't think that's necessarily the case with these Anchor Bay BD-Rs.

therock666 · 08-04-2016, 09:10 PM

their upcoming august 23rd release of Clown should be a real Blu-ray disc

MifuneFan · 08-04-2016, 09:12 PM

We're relying on Amazon now? The site that's chock full of erroneous technical info? Is there any actual proof that it's a BD-R?

McCrutchy · 08-04-2016, 09:24 PM

I can't get behind these, either. I've noticed more and more creeping into the site, and it's really starting to tick me off. If I wanted to buy BD-R discs, I can buy them in bundles and make them at home. This kind of media is totally pointless for selling commercial product on, and I wish the BDA would remove it from the equation for commercial releases entirely. I've tried to reconcile it in my head, and I simply can't. I buy the argument that I might not be able to tell the difference without looking, but that isn't the reason I own physical media in the first place.

The ridiculous quotas for replicating also need to take a hike, too. This is clearly the only reason that commercial product is ever sold on duplicated discs in the first place. Never mind the fact that cases, jackets, and even lossless audio codecs and even sometimes subtitling has been bought and paid for, irrespective of whether the actual product is burned or not. If major studios are so desperate to duplicate 500 discs, then they should be replicating 250, selling out, and replicating 250 again, not "forced" to replicate 1000 from the start.

Even moreso than DVD-R, BD-R is clearly not any kind of savior format, either, so the argument that certain titles wouldn't be on "Blu-ray" if not for BD-Rs doesn't really hold water, especially on such a universal format. Instead, it seems to be a convenient way for a few labels to control stock on titles, which turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy when stock moves online-only, and at a snail's pace, due, in part, to being a BD-R in the first place.

Besides which, if duplicated discs work so well, they would have taken over home video long ago, irrespective of large-scale quantities.

I just hope that we never, ever see this on UHD BD. I want to know that if I buy something sold as a UHD BD, I receive a replicated disc, every time. Let these coasters die with 1080p Blu-ray, please.

HD Goofnut · 08-04-2016, 09:27 PM

If it makes any of you feel any better I have BD-Rs that are still working perfectly after 6 years.

08-04-2016, 05:10 PM	#1
zeze Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 4K collection:604 Blu-ray collection:7678 DVD collection:123 Trading Score:297	Anchor Bay doing BD-Rs So it looks like Anchor Bay are now doing BD-Rs. Viral was just released this week and according to Amazon it is a BD-R. Hopefully other major studios don't take this route as well. https://www.amazon.com/Viral-Blu-ray...ords=viral+dvd

08-04-2016, 05:14 PM	#2
TripleHBK Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Aug 2012 Location:Lincoln, NE Home Theater Gallery:52 4K collection:249 Blu-ray collection:3653 DVD collection:742 Blu-ray reviews: 17 Trading Score:47	I see this eventually being the direction physical media may take several years from now. Unless something changes with how discs are created and the costs/required orders come down, this could be a potential future we face. I'm 50/50 on this. On one hand, if it wasn't for the BD-R it may never have gotten a US release, so I'm ok with this if it means everything is released on a physical product with cover, menu, special features, etc. On the other hand it seems ridiculous that studios couldn't print the minimum 1000 units (or preferably more) and then rely on the BD-R route for subsequent "pressings" if more were needed for films like this were purchase totals won't likely be very high.

08-04-2016, 05:29 PM	#3
scorpiontail60 Banned Member since:Aug 2011 Blu-ray reviews:1	If this means we get more niche releases on BD that aren't going to sell well then who gives a shit if it's a burned or pressed disc? It's something we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. The disc is just a means to an end of getting a digital copy of the movie ripped to my file server's hard drive anyway. It's pointless how high quality the disc is as long as my computer's Blu-ray drive is capable of reading all of the data off it once. Actually watching a movie off a disc? How... primitive.

08-04-2016, 06:30 PM	#7
TripleHBK Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Aug 2012 Location:Lincoln, NE Home Theater Gallery:52 4K collection:249 Blu-ray collection:3653 DVD collection:742 Blu-ray reviews: 17 Trading Score:47	BD-R's are a viable choice and quality won't be a concern whatsoever with the presentation of the film. Compatibility could become an issue for some folks (Xbox One) and longevity could be different (or it may be the same, we really don't know), unless you flip the disc over you'll never know the difference in that regard. My concern would come from the likelihood that failure rates could go up, but that's purely speculation on my part. If it get's niche films to market in "complete" packages it's better than the alternative... no physical release.

08-04-2016, 06:32 PM	#8
DetroitSportsFan Hot Deals Moderator Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Michigan 4K collection:439 Blu-ray collection:2226 Trading Score:93	If they stick to making films like this BD-R, most of us won't have anything to worry about.

08-04-2016, 07:19 PM	#9
Musicguy Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2010 Blu-ray collection:640 DVD collection:148	DVDs are different than Blu-rays. To put a film without any clean up on to a DVD is one thing - and burn on demand. To go through the process of having a Blu-ray master done is another - and that is where the costs lie. Plus a manufactured disc will last longer - the cost savings only hurts the consumer in the long run

08-04-2016, 07:22 PM	#10
movieben1138 Power Member Member since:Jan 2012 Location:Saint Louis, MO 4K collection:1143 Blu-ray collection:11702 DVD collection:2441 Trading Score:1004	I accidentally bought a BDr once and immediately returned it. I can't get behind this.

08-04-2016, 08:54 PM	#16
GasmaskAvenger Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Jul 2014 Location:Fresno, California, USA 4K collection:1121 Blu-ray collection:5000 DVD collection:656 Trading Score:33	BD-Rs do seem way more durable than DVD-Rs, so there's nothing to worry about. That said, most BD-R releases are dedicated to real junk or have transfers that are rather junk. However, I don't think that's necessarily the case with these Anchor Bay BD-Rs.

08-04-2016, 09:10 PM	#17
therock666 Power Member Member since:Aug 2010 4K collection:111 Blu-ray collection:3093 DVD collection:2178 Digital collection:2	their upcoming august 23rd release of Clown should be a real Blu-ray disc

08-04-2016, 09:12 PM	#18
MifuneFan Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:New York City 4K collection:28 Blu-ray collection:1145 Trading Score:69	We're relying on Amazon now? The site that's chock full of erroneous technical info? Is there any actual proof that it's a BD-R?

08-04-2016, 09:24 PM	#19
McCrutchy Contributor Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:East Coast, USA Home Theater Gallery:2 4K collection:1269 Blu-ray collection:6781 DVD collection:253 Blu-ray reviews: 5 Trading Score:17	I can't get behind these, either. I've noticed more and more creeping into the site, and it's really starting to tick me off. If I wanted to buy BD-R discs, I can buy them in bundles and make them at home. This kind of media is totally pointless for selling commercial product on, and I wish the BDA would remove it from the equation for commercial releases entirely. I've tried to reconcile it in my head, and I simply can't. I buy the argument that I might not be able to tell the difference without looking, but that isn't the reason I own physical media in the first place. The ridiculous quotas for replicating also need to take a hike, too. This is clearly the only reason that commercial product is ever sold on duplicated discs in the first place. Never mind the fact that cases, jackets, and even lossless audio codecs and even sometimes subtitling has been bought and paid for, irrespective of whether the actual product is burned or not. If major studios are so desperate to duplicate 500 discs, then they should be replicating 250, selling out, and replicating 250 again, not "forced" to replicate 1000 from the start. Even moreso than DVD-R, BD-R is clearly not any kind of savior format, either, so the argument that certain titles wouldn't be on "Blu-ray" if not for BD-Rs doesn't really hold water, especially on such a universal format. Instead, it seems to be a convenient way for a few labels to control stock on titles, which turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy when stock moves online-only, and at a snail's pace, due, in part, to being a BD-R in the first place. Besides which, if duplicated discs work so well, they would have taken over home video long ago, irrespective of large-scale quantities. I just hope that we never, ever see this on UHD BD. I want to know that if I buy something sold as a UHD BD, I receive a replicated disc, every time. Let these coasters die with 1080p Blu-ray, please.

08-04-2016, 09:27 PM	#20
HD Goofnut Blu-ray King Top contributor Member since:May 2010 Location:Far, Far Away Home Theater Gallery:114 4K collection:743 Blu-ray collection:2371 DVD collection:128 MA collection:751 Digital collection:1093 Prime collection:598 Blu-ray reviews:133 Trading Score:39	If it makes any of you feel any better I have BD-Rs that are still working perfectly after 6 years.

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