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NeoTechni · 07-05-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BluManta

You know what. The rate 33% is high but I can say 95% of the people I have spoken to, has had to get there 360 replaced. Maybe the rate is higher?

But that's the problem. These examples are looking at a very small number.

Sure 95% of the ppl you've spoken to have had issues, but to say 95% of all people have, based on that number would be a HUGE mistake

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoTechni

Not really. Much like a survery taken from a small selection of people, or one person winning the lottery, this is not fact. It's an estimate based on statistical extrapolation, not fact. There is a difference.

33% is so high, it's not beleivable. Recalls happen way before that

No, really, its a fact. Its not a survey based on random people, its a survey based on the amount of 360 consoles sold, and the amount that have been returned. It all shops around the world. And don't you think MS would have said something by now???

Dadds · 07-05-2007, 08:33 PM

A small store near my house (gamecrazy) gets 2 bad ones back a day. Its a fact and I see the problem first hand across the board. Its a problem with something on the motherboard. The motherboard on the elites is different and doesnt have the same problem.

darkpoet25 · 07-05-2007, 08:43 PM

I find it funny. I work at a Wal-Mart and I've yet to see any PS3's or Wii's in our claims area, but we average at least one 360 a week. And to think I work with 360 fanboys. All I hear about is how crappy the PS3 is, yet we hardly ever have any in stock, but we have plenty of 360's. I just laughing at them when they tell me the PS3 is crap. Morons.

BorrowedTime · 07-05-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoTechni

33% is so high, it's not beleivable. Recalls happen way before that

Recalls might happen way before that on most Consumer Products, but I can see why not on the 360. If a car you bought has a defect, it will be recalled due to safety reasons. Another similar model might be offered as a replacement, or the same model from a different year, or you may get your money back, but the auto manufacturer will likely still get your money in some way, shape or form, since you'll still want a car. That may be an extreme example, but the point is most products that are recalled, often offer a replacement of a similar product, a rebate on your next purchase with your money back, etc.

What does MS have to offer if they recall the 360? The old Xbox? A rebate on the 720 a few years away? A rebate on a redesigned 360 that may take a year to work the bugs out? They would lose the console war right then and there if they did a recall.

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 08:55 PM

Yeah! Thats true! WTF! Why would ms do a recall! Thats just dumb LMAO! Why do you think MS has stayed quiet? Infact where is ms at the mo???

BorrowedTime · 07-05-2007, 09:00 PM

addendum to my previous post... damn ps3 buffer, lol.

I also forgot to mention the potential multi-million dollar lawsuits that would follow from game developers for the millions in lost revenue and game development due to exclusivity agreements on a console that would effectively no longer exist. I think it would be cheaper for MS to eat the replacement costs, than to do a product recall.

What I don't understand is why people continue to throw good money after bad on a product that may or may not last for the next 6 months. One would expect that such poor performance records would erode consumer confidence to the point where they would say "Enough. I've had it with the 360!" The only thing I can think of is the rabid anti-Sony sentiment that seems to push much of the x-box community into continuing to supporting such a poorly made machine.

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 09:06 PM

But does that not also make you wonder why Devs still develop 4 it? What are they doing too?

NeoTechni · 07-05-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BluManta

No, really, its a fact. Its not a survey based on random people, its a survey based on the amount of 360 consoles sold, and the amount that have been returned. It all shops around the world. And don't you think MS would have said something by now???

No, it's a survey based on a number significantly less than 100% of 360s sold. Which means they extrapolated statistics, and estimates are not facts. They are educated guesses.

BorrowedTime · 07-05-2007, 09:13 PM

Well, developers aren't crazy. How many 360's are there in consumers homes? As long as those machines are still there when the games come out so they can be purchased, they won't care if the 360 the user is playing on is their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... or 20th. The fact remains that 360 is the leading next gen console in sales... for the moment. So as long as it's in homes, developers will make games for it.

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoTechni

No, it's a survey based on a number significantly less than 100% of 360s sold. Which means they extrapolated statistics, and estimates are not facts. They are educated guesses.

No really! They are done on the over all 360's sold and returned.

NeoTechni · 07-05-2007, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BluManta

No really! They are done on the over all 360's sold and returned.

For specific retailers, not all of them. So long as you're missing datam you can not accept the statistic as fact. You can say it's an estimate though and I won't argue. But I had a college course with a professor who taught statistics and probability so I'm forced to disagree with you.

With missing data, there is a (high) chance that the figure is too high, or even too low. You do not know for sure.

While I admit 360s failure rate is abnormally high, 33% is not a fact.

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 09:27 PM

No! It is really counted by all the 360s sold and returned! Ok, I may have been wrong with the fact part but I ment its official.

Dadds · 07-05-2007, 09:32 PM

100% of everyone I know that owns one has had it break on them. I am currently in college for Video Game Design and Development. Im going to say it is around 45 including my friends.

MrEastSide · 07-05-2007, 09:37 PM

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Any Xbox 360 customer who experiences a general hardware failure indicated by three flashing red lights will now be covered by a three year warranty from date of purchase. All other existing Xbox 360 warranty policies remain in place.

For any customer who has previously paid for repair expenses related to the three flashing lights error message on the Xbox 360 console, Microsoft will retroactively reimburse them.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/sy...antyupdate.htm

Well, I can say that is more than SONY ever did for me when my launch PS2 got the dreaded disc read error. After about 3 months of use. All I heard from SONY was "Sorry, go buy another one"

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 09:38 PM

Thing is my xbox is the only one I know of that hasn't died yet. But I've had it since christmas.

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrEastSide

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/sy...antyupdate.htm

Well, I can say that is more than SONY ever did for me when my launch PS2 got the dreaded disc read error. After about 3 months of use. All I heard from SONY was "Sorry, go buy another one"

But the PS2 had a 1 year warrenty.

MrEastSide · 07-05-2007, 09:41 PM

I'm pretty sure I called them after about 4 months and was told I was out of luck.

BluManta · 07-05-2007, 09:42 PM

Oh. Gutted LMAO! You were entitled to either a new PS2, a refurbished PS2 or yours repaired.

NeoTechni · 07-05-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BluManta

No! It is really counted by all the 360s sold and returned!

No, it's not. It's only counting specific retailers. And it's not even 100% guaranteed that it's the truth for that retailer. The source wasn't exactly official

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07-05-2007, 08:33 PM	#23
Dadds Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South NJ Blu-ray reviews:3	A small store near my house (gamecrazy) gets 2 bad ones back a day. Its a fact and I see the problem first hand across the board. Its a problem with something on the motherboard. The motherboard on the elites is different and doesnt have the same problem.

07-05-2007, 08:43 PM	#24
darkpoet25 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Indianapolis, IN Home Theater Gallery:45 4K collection:50 Blu-ray collection:297 Blu-ray reviews: 4	I find it funny. I work at a Wal-Mart and I've yet to see any PS3's or Wii's in our claims area, but we average at least one 360 a week. And to think I work with 360 fanboys. All I hear about is how crappy the PS3 is, yet we hardly ever have any in stock, but we have plenty of 360's. I just laughing at them when they tell me the PS3 is crap. Morons.

07-05-2007, 08:55 PM	#26
BluManta Banned Member since:Feb 2007 Location:LONDON, FELTHAM PSN ID: LDUK	Yeah! Thats true! WTF! Why would ms do a recall! Thats just dumb LMAO! Why do you think MS has stayed quiet? Infact where is ms at the mo???

07-05-2007, 09:00 PM	#27
BorrowedTime Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Calgary, Alberta, Canada	addendum to my previous post... damn ps3 buffer, lol. I also forgot to mention the potential multi-million dollar lawsuits that would follow from game developers for the millions in lost revenue and game development due to exclusivity agreements on a console that would effectively no longer exist. I think it would be cheaper for MS to eat the replacement costs, than to do a product recall. What I don't understand is why people continue to throw good money after bad on a product that may or may not last for the next 6 months. One would expect that such poor performance records would erode consumer confidence to the point where they would say "Enough. I've had it with the 360!" The only thing I can think of is the rabid anti-Sony sentiment that seems to push much of the x-box community into continuing to supporting such a poorly made machine.

07-05-2007, 09:06 PM	#28
BluManta Banned Member since:Feb 2007 Location:LONDON, FELTHAM PSN ID: LDUK	But does that not also make you wonder why Devs still develop 4 it? What are they doing too?

07-05-2007, 09:13 PM	#30
BorrowedTime Senior Member Member since:May 2007 Location:Calgary, Alberta, Canada	Well, developers aren't crazy. How many 360's are there in consumers homes? As long as those machines are still there when the games come out so they can be purchased, they won't care if the 360 the user is playing on is their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, ... or 20th. The fact remains that 360 is the leading next gen console in sales... for the moment. So as long as it's in homes, developers will make games for it.

07-05-2007, 09:27 PM	#33
BluManta Banned Member since:Feb 2007 Location:LONDON, FELTHAM PSN ID: LDUK	No! It is really counted by all the 360s sold and returned! Ok, I may have been wrong with the fact part but I ment its official.

07-05-2007, 09:32 PM	#34
Dadds Special Member Member since:Jun 2007 Location:South NJ Blu-ray reviews:3	100% of everyone I know that owns one has had it break on them. I am currently in college for Video Game Design and Development. Im going to say it is around 45 including my friends.

07-05-2007, 09:38 PM	#36
BluManta Banned Member since:Feb 2007 Location:LONDON, FELTHAM PSN ID: LDUK	Thing is my xbox is the only one I know of that hasn't died yet. But I've had it since christmas.

07-05-2007, 09:41 PM	#38
MrEastSide Banned Member since:Jul 2007	I'm pretty sure I called them after about 4 months and was told I was out of luck.

07-05-2007, 09:42 PM	#39
BluManta Banned Member since:Feb 2007 Location:LONDON, FELTHAM PSN ID: LDUK	Oh. Gutted LMAO! You were entitled to either a new PS2, a refurbished PS2 or yours repaired.

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