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Old 12-18-2016, 06:14 PM   #61
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I watched ANH yesterday and RO provides so much more context to what's just gone on. Not that it was ever really needed, but it's amazing how things like the Emperor dissolving the Senate carry so much more weight now: he's not just done it because of the powahhhh of the Death Star being able to keep the local systems in line (which the scene already explains perfectly well), he's also done it as a riposte to the Rebels for them having the brazen cheek to attack an Imperial installation and steal the Death Star plans. That undercurrent was always there, sure, but the mentions of the Senate by both sides in RO hammer home that it was more trouble than it was worth so the Emperor does away with it just as soon as he can.
I too put on Star Wars yesterday (original 77 version so no ANH) and even the opening crawl has more impact now as we have seen these spies in action and the aforementioned battle, certainly cast the film in a different light, always found that scene where the Imperial officers are discussing how well equipped and dangerous the rebel fleet is a bit OTT considering the battle at the end but after witnessing what they did to those ISDs in RO I don't blame them for being worried
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Old 12-18-2016, 07:15 PM   #62
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Old 12-18-2016, 07:19 PM   #63
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Rogue One is the ultimate prequel, basically.
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Old 12-19-2016, 08:18 AM   #64
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I enjoyed Rogue One, very good film. Yes, pretty choppy first half. Oh, the 3D added nothing... IMO...

[Show spoiler]

I was too busy pondering various elements (Is that a moisture farm? Why? It looks plenty wet there. Is that a Wampa? On a desert moon? Is Cassian Andor wearing Han Solo's Hoth jacket? Guess it must be cold there... Why all the Shadow Stormtroopers? ) then I gave up and sat back and enjoyed it.

The stuff I loved:

Reflections on windows, vapor trails of ship wings, the fact that the vehicles were all very matter of fact and just 'there', Oh, and the gorgeous lighting / shadow effects - someone obviously had a lot of fun. 'Guardians of the Whills' gave me goosebumps.

Stuff I wasn't keen on:

Grand Moff Tarkin's voice, Peter Cushing was tall I agree but was he really that tall? In slippers? Did he keep getting taller?

The music. Aside from a couple of key scenes it was always 'Almost, but not quite right'. If you aren't going with the original score stop referencing it so much.



So, yeah. Good stuff. I may go again over Christmas (to see it in 2D this time). I do like The Force Awakens more (it had more heart) but this was still pretty bloody good. Star Wars: The Tin Man Edition

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Old 12-19-2016, 11:28 AM   #65
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Might be my first UHD release - if there's one planned?
Disney don't do UHD
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Old 12-19-2016, 11:45 AM   #66
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Disney don't do UHD
Right on cue this popped up on Twitter:

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/s...017-re-release
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Old 12-19-2016, 11:47 AM   #67
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The rumor is Disney will be announcing their first 4K releases at CES next month. Rogue One had a 4K DI too unlike TFA which only had a 2K DI so it's very possible we'll see a 4K release.
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Old 12-19-2016, 11:59 AM   #68
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Right on cue this popped up on Twitter:

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/s...017-re-release
Interesting, and sounds somewhat promising. But I'll take it with a grain of salt with the amount of times we've heard rumours of something like this.

Would be interesting to see, however, wether Disney or Fox would be behind a UHD release of the original film, considering Fox has a lifetime perpetuity over the film.
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Old 12-19-2016, 12:34 PM   #69
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The rumor is Disney will be announcing their first 4K releases at CES next month. Rogue One had a 4K DI too unlike TFA which only had a 2K DI so it's very possible we'll see a 4K release.
Is it sure? According to IMDB TFA had a 4K DI.
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Is it sure? According to IMDB TFA had a 4K DI.
TFA was scanned from the 35mm negative at 4K and finished in 2K. Rogue One was filmed digitally at 6.5K and finished in 4K.
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Old 12-19-2016, 06:45 PM   #71
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Right on cue this popped up on Twitter:

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/movies/s...017-re-release
After watching Rogue One I really want to see the unaltered trilogy on blu ray
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I would rather see a UHD Star Wars than a UHD A New Hope.
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I would rather see a UHD Star Wars than a UHD A New Hope.
You probably want to keep an eye on this project then

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Old 12-20-2016, 11:36 AM   #74
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I watched Rogue One yesterday, and to be perfectly honest I was bored for most of it's duration. The characters and plot were mediocre at best, and despite it looking very pretty, I didn't find it engaging on any level. It did pick up a bit in the last act, and the space battle was quite spectacular, but like so many films that have come before spectacle doesn't always equate to a good movie.

The other thing that really bothered me was the
[Show spoiler]CGI Tarkin and Leia. Tarkin was almost passable, but his voice wasn't remotely like Peter Cushing's, and Leia was totally ridiculous - what the hell were they thinking!.


Despite it's flaws, The Force Awakens is a much better film IMO.
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I watched Rogue One yesterday, and to be perfectly honest I was bored for most of it's duration. The characters and plot were mediocre at best, and despite it looking very pretty, I didn't find it engaging on any level. It did pick up a bit in the last act, and the space battle was quite spectacular, but like so many films that have come before spectacle doesn't always equate to a good movie.

The other thing that really bothered me was the
[Show spoiler]CGI Tarkin and Leia. Tarkin was almost passable, but his voice wasn't remotely like Peter Cushing's, and Leia was totally ridiculous - what the hell were they thinking!.


Despite it's flaws, The Force Awakens is a much better film IMO.
I also much preferred The Force Awakens, the characters in Rogue One just did not connect with me.
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:08 PM   #76
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I watched Rogue One yesterday, and to be perfectly honest I was bored for most of it's duration. The characters and plot were mediocre at best, and despite it looking very pretty, I didn't find it engaging on any level. It did pick up a bit in the last act, and the space battle was quite spectacular, but like so many films that have come before spectacle doesn't always equate to a good movie.

The other thing that really bothered me was the
[Show spoiler]CGI Tarkin and Leia. Tarkin was almost passable, but his voice wasn't remotely like Peter Cushing's, and Leia was totally ridiculous - what the hell were they thinking!.


Despite it's flaws, The Force Awakens is a much better film IMO.
From friends who've seen it I've only been hearing bad things about this movie with words and phrases such as a bit dull, poor pacing, too derivative, no sense of jeopody (
[Show spoiler]90%+ of viewers already presumed everybody dies as they're not in episode 4
), uninteresting characters and yet another (this time boring rather than annoying) nominally female lead who without changing the script could easily have been played by a male actor. A couple of folk also banded about overtly PC casting, which by JJ Abrams own admission happened on the Force Awakens, but I won't comment on this having not yet seen the movie.

After the Force Awakens all this pretty much confirms my suspicions about the Disney Star Wars universe and I've really no interest in seeing this movie, at least until someone uploads a blu-ray rip to my fave bit torrent site.

Some people claim the prequels shit all over the Star Wars legacy but at least they had imagination, some originality and while on the whole bad movies they were Lucas' babies and Lucas' vision. The Disney Star Wars movies are simply cash cows, but who saw that coming, eh?
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I watched Rogue One yesterday, and to be perfectly honest I was bored for most of it's duration. The characters and plot were mediocre at best, and despite it looking very pretty, I didn't find it engaging on any level. It did pick up a bit in the last act, and the space battle was quite spectacular, but like so many films that have come before spectacle doesn't always equate to a good movie.

The other thing that really bothered me was the
[Show spoiler]CGI Tarkin and Leia. Tarkin was almost passable, but his voice wasn't remotely like Peter Cushing's, and Leia was totally ridiculous - what the hell were they thinking!.


Despite it's flaws, The Force Awakens is a much better film IMO.
I saw Rogue One last night, and have to agree with this, I'm sad to say.

Whilst I can completely see what they were trying to do with this one, it ultimately feels unfocused. When it does start to feel more confident, it immediately seems to reset that sentiment by cutting to something else. I dunno if that was pressure from the producers to make a 'tighter' film, but to me it screams impatience.

It tried to keep going at a pace it didn't need to. If it wanted to be an old school war movie, it should've stuck to that and let most scenes play out and breathe a bit until it got to the action. After all, Gareth Edwards' first two films both seemed to recognise this, and the most memorable moments of both Monsters and Godzilla were when it was being patient, observant and visually intuitive. Here Edwards occasionally manages some of those things, but almost by accident and only for a split-second, throwing the moment away with a cut to something else.

Whilst I admit I can't fault the technical filmmaking, the choice to include
[Show spoiler]CGI Peter Cushing
was an extremely dubious one -
[Show spoiler]whilst I could buy seeing Darth Vader, there was little need to explicitly show Grand Moff Tarkin in any other capacity than a hologram. Vader could have been the enforcer of Tarkin's orders (via The Emperor) if they really needed Krennic to be a subordinate to someone (they could've given him a different angle if they needed to). A simple solution is to have someone under Tarkin played by another British character actor - someone like Peter Capaldi would do the job perfectly.


However, the very end shot of
[Show spoiler]CGI Carrie Fisher
was the most unforgivable - and as someone else already said (in as many words), almost made me forgive them for the above. I can entirely see why it was done for the purposes of plot, but it did not feel right in a practical sense. In fact,
[Show spoiler]Darth Vader's appearance near the end should have been the final scene (that sequence was breathless, and excellent whilst it lasted).


This is where you can feel the presence of a 'committee' encroaching on the creative direction of a film like this. Writers and producers insisting on
[Show spoiler]the appearance of familiar faces to such an extent that they think a CGI cameo is a good way to resurrect them, when it's not. Did they not learn from Snoke's appearance in The Force Awakens? Apparently not.


Well unfortunately, to me those decisions felt both patronising and foolhardy, and ultimately marred my enjoyment of the film. As an idea it worked, but you can't have it both ways -
[Show spoiler]why not cast someone else as the same character, as they did with Mon Mothma for example? It's not impossible, and in fact far more forgivable.


On paper this has possibly the best cast of any Star Wars film, but most of my favourite actors were given such little weight to their characters - not to mention a lack of chemistry as a group, and very little for some actors to work with (especially Luna, Ahmed, Mikkelsen, Jiang...even Mendelsohn to some extent). I was also quite frustrated at the way they
[Show spoiler]killed off Whitaker's Saw Garrera
who was definitely a character that had more charisma than most others (much like Donnie Yen and Alan Tudyk's characters, who seemed to connect with the audience more than most).

So whilst the film looks great (apart from the points I mentioned), and I can't fault the performances, the script is the main problem with this one - though Felicity Jones isn't a particularly powerful actor in my opinion, so was a troublesome lead too. I can't help but feel they should've gone even smaller than they did, as this currently feels like half a Star Wars pretending to be a whole one. I actually found myself enjoying the dogfights more than the human-based drama, which isn't great when your heart is supposed to be with the people on the ground.

If you wanted to really be brave, you could've made this a full-on claustrophobic ground war, with very little actual space battles (or even a lack of vista shots). Platoon in space, if you will. Instead, we have all the thematic elements drifting back towards the original framework, but not quite making it there - despite the whole thing looking like something new and different and slightly unfamiliar. I was hoping for even more of a departure than it actually was.

I didn't hate it, but as you can tell I was at least a little disappointed. I think it may improve on a second viewing, but it's evident Abrams had a far better handle on this than Edwards - and I'm pretty certain Rian Johnson will too, but I'm still a little worried about Colin Trevorrow (after seeing what he did to the JP franchise). Lord and Miller may impress me more with their Anthology film in 2018 - I've enjoyed their comedies to date, and Alden Ehrenreich was excellent in Hail, Caesar! and should do a good job as a young Han Solo.
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After the Force Awakens all this pretty much confirms my suspicions about the Disney Star Wars universe.
TBF, this is probably the most un-Disney-like Disney movie there is.

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Some people claim the prequels shit all over the Star Wars legacy but at least they had imagination, some originality and while on the whole bad movies they were Lucas' babies and Lucas' vision. The Disney Star Wars movies are simply cash cows, but who saw that coming, eh?
By that reckoning we'd also have to place TFA in the same camp, as that wasn't Lucas's vision either. Disney threw Lucas's vision out of the window.

TFA and Rogue One are vastly superior to the PT movies. IMO of course
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I can't wait to get this on 3D Blu-Ray. The depth is some of the Best ever seen its like looking into a window where there is space battles going on. Yes it could have used more pop outs. But the depth is breathtaking
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Some people claim the prequels shit all over the Star Wars legacy but at least they had imagination, some originality and while on the whole bad movies they were Lucas' babies and Lucas' vision. The Disney Star Wars movies are simply cash cows, but who saw that coming, eh?
I doubt anyone will read this but here goes:

I would consider something with no coherent story, uninteresting characters and the worst CGI I have ever seen in 3 films that looked like they were rushed out to be the cash cow. Not the films we have seen from the variety of behind the scenes footage took a lot of work to make with practical effects, actual locations and a half-decent cast.
The films made almost entirely on a computer seem more to me like the Cash Cow.

And enough of this "George Lucas' babies" crap. Face it, he made the abomination that was the prequels AND went back and ruined the originals, refusing to release the versions fans want. It was people letting George Lucas have complete control that made the prequels the crap that they were. There's no charm, it looks too fake.

The original film pioneered special effects to tell a story. The prequels use a dodgy, incoherent story to tell special effects. The new films rekindle that magic. Whether you like it or not, the popular opinion and reviews clearly shows this to be the case.

And Disney? Guess what, it's a business. They exist to make money. But at least they provide some quality in exchange for your money. Just compare the Marvel films to DC for proof of that!
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