Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bigjim25

Definately prefer physical copies. Digital does no good at all when the internet is down or the power is out!

Originally Posted by squatting hen

Well...can't really do much with physical copies either when the power is out except play Frisbee.

Good Point, but if your Internet and Power is always down you have a problem. With Solid Internet and Power, Digital HD gives you Movies Now. I watched Passengers last night, and really liked it. The Disc people have a long wait, and even longer till it sells for $5.

[CouchTater]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My views of Digital/Streaming are very negative. Take the latest news from Netflix for example? They want to introduce interactive tv and film as early as next year. Instead of movies and tv being a passive experience they want us clicking our remote at major plot turns to decide what happens next or god knows when. It makes me want to throw up. They are trying to destroy film.

That has nothing to do with the media type, though. There were/are some DVDs that did this.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Good Point, but if your Internet and Power is always down you have a problem. With Solid Internet and Power, Digital HD gives you Movies Now. I watched Passengers last night, and really liked it. The Disc people have a long wait, and even longer till it sells for $5.

They have to wait 6 more days the horror (though preorders could probably get it sooner )

As for paying $5 for the bd the movie cost 15 for digital 25 for uhd digital 26 for 4k +3d+bd+digital and 20 for just the bd+digital. It seems like the physical bundles still offer the greatest value even day one for this random example. It probably will be $5 by black friday but I bet it will be even longer before studios offer the digital version alone for under $5 because of lack of competition.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CouchTater

That has nothing to do with the media type, though. There were/are some DVDs that did this.

It has everything to do with the media. The want interactive tv so they can shove interactive ads down our throats, have us vote for stuff and allow us to shop from our tv. Oh, and all the social media crap that goes along with that. All that stuff is achievable via the internet/Digital. Once they start experimenting, there will be no let up. Film should be viewed as a art form not some Millenials 'tweet of the day'.

OMG!!!!!! Rick is dead! I am going to change that! Rick is not dead, Michonne is dead! Anyone else go with Michonne? oh my god, I'm so excited. I might kill off Negan tomorrow! I will tweet you to tell you in advance in case you don't like it. I was like 'Nooooooooooooooo, Rick is alive'! And my friend was like 'I don't like the character' and I was like, 'why?' And she was like 'I don't know'! And I was like, 'I know, right? And she was like 'all those people who killed Maggie have got no chill!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by CouchTater

That has nothing to do with the media type, though. There were/are some DVDs that did this.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It has everything to do with the media. The want interactive tv so they can shove interactive ads down our throats, have us vote for stuff and allow us to shop from our tv. Oh, and all the social media crap that goes along with that. All that stuff is achievable via the internet/Digital. Once they start experimenting, there will be no let up. Film should be viewed as a art form not some Millenials 'tweet of the day'.

What CouchTater was trying to tell you is that Interactivity happen on Discs too, it's not just isolated to Digital. Then according to your Article it goes back many years. I don't have Netflix, but I'm sure it all has to do with Marketing to pump up Subscriptions.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What CouchTater was trying to tell you is that Interactivity happen on Discs too, it's not just isolated to Digital. Then according to your Article it goes back many years. I don't have Netflix, but I'm sure it all has to do with Marketing to pump up Subscriptions.

I know what he was trying to tell me. We are talking a full scale onslaught here though not a few directors cuts or branched extra scenes on a disc. It's the holy grail for advertisers and the industry at large.
Disc doesn't allow for that two way interaction that the Internet and connected devices will have so it's hardly the same thing.

[StatenMan18]

Physical no questions asked, even if your internet is ok who's to say if the digital retailers have they're own problems. A file can be erased but if your holding something physical in your hand it's not going anywhere. Just my two cents

[Wasgo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We are talking a full scale onslaught here though not a few directors cuts or branched extra scenes on a disc.

Are we? Based on what? Nobody else has stated they intend to use it. It's costly having to film twice as many scenes for the same number of viewers. It's a novelty.

Originally Posted by =Steedeel

It's the holy grail for advertisers and the industry at large.

Again, based on what? Your assertions are always based on your presumptions that everything is leading towards the end, which is also your evidence that everything is leading towards the end. It's circular reasoning.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by StatenMan18

Physical no questions asked, even if your internet is ok who's to say if the digital retailers have they're own problems. A file can be erased but if your holding something physical in your hand it's not going anywhere. Just my two cents

You're right, but how long are you willing to wait for that Physical Disc? Some of these Physical Disc Lovers claim to want to preserve Disc, but don't want to pay full price. Because the material for a Disc doesn't cost over a Dollar, they rationalize that $5 is plenty to pay for a Physical Movie. Lot's of things could happen to Physical or Digital, but it all depends on your priorities. With Digital HD my biggest plus is Movies Now, and I predict first run Movies in Theaters will come out at the same time.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right, but how long are you willing to wait for that Physical Disc? Some of these Physical Disc Lovers claim to want to preserve Disc, but don't want to pay full price. Because the material for a Disc doesn't cost over a Dollar, they rationalize that $5 is plenty to pay for a Physical Movie. Lot's of things could happen to Physical or Digital, but it all depends on your priorities. With Digital HD my biggest plus is Movies Now, and I predict first run Movies in Theaters will come out at the same time.

I do rationalize and can wait quite a while for physical media. Just understand I can do the same rationalization for digital media only whatever price I would pay for physical media I'll pay for digital media after dividing it by 4 or 5.

Digital media has around 1/5th the value of the physical bundles as far as my own utility goes. If I am only willing to pay $5 for a bd then it would have to be priced at under $1 before I would be interested in buying it in most cases.

I doubt many movies will come out before or while a movies in the theater. Theaters throw a holy fit whenever this is brought up which is why bds have a hiatus before they come to the market and the same rational holds for digital films. Theirs no real difference releasing a bd or digital file while a film is still in theaters as far as the theaters are concerned.

[PCFan]

I'm slowing way down on blu-ray purchases and going more digital streaming. I have limited space in my bedroom for physical media. I'm at around 311 blu-rays and if it were not for the boxed sets I own, I would not have as big a collection of blu-rays as I do now because of space. I also sold some blu-rays I didn't care for owning anymore. I'm also tired of getting occasional damaged blu-ray cases with damaged art inserts on blu-rays that I buy brand new, especially if it's a blu-ray I want to keep in my collection and not resell. Digital is less hassle for me and cheaper, cheaper because their are people selling their HD-UV codes for $3 most of the time, less hassle because I don't have to deal with occasional damaged cases, discs, and discs that skip.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by PCFan

I'm slowing way down on blu-ray purchases and going more digital streaming. I have limited space in my bedroom for physical media. I'm at around 311 blu-rays and if it were not for the boxed sets I own, I would not have as big a collection of blu-rays as I do now because of space. I also sold some blu-rays I didn't care for owning anymore. I'm also tired of getting occasional damaged blu-ray cases with damaged art inserts on blu-rays that I buy brand new, especially if it's a blu-ray I want to keep in my collection and not resell. Digital is less hassle for me and cheaper, cheaper because their are people selling their HD-UV codes for $3 most of the time, less hassle because I don't have to deal with occasional damaged cases, discs, and discs that skip.

I've never understood the mentality of people who complain about damaged cases or cover art but are fine with supporting digital. Digital doesn't have a case or cover art at all, why is that better than damaged cases and cover art?

Personally I don't care much about the cases or cover art that most of my Blu-rays (or any other physical media) come with because I keep everything in more efficient cases. Cases that only hold 1 disc are absurd. The only reason I keep the cover art at all is for potential resale value.

[PCFan]

But what if the art insert comes damaged as well? A replacement case is not going to solve that. It's just the principle though. If I buy something brand new, I don't want it to look used or come damaged even if the disc is fine, especially if I paid full retail price. The case and art insert is part of the physical product. I wonder how much resale value is lost with a damaged art insert vs a non-damaged art insert, assuming if you would be reselling directly to a person, and not to a used movie store.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by PCFan

But what if the art insert comes damaged as well? A replacement case is not going to solve that. It's just the principle though. If I buy something brand new, I don't want it to look used or come damaged even if the disc is fine, especially if I paid full retail price. The case and art insert is part of the physical product. I wonder how much resale value is lost with a damaged art insert vs a non-damaged art insert, assuming if you would be reselling directly to a person, and not to a used movie store.

Yes, a disc with a damaged cover has a lower resale value... but it's still infinitely higher than the resale value of all your digital purchases.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right, but how long are you willing to wait for that Physical Disc? Some of these Physical Disc Lovers claim to want to preserve Disc, but don't want to pay full price. Because the material for a Disc doesn't cost over a Dollar, they rationalize that $5 is plenty to pay for a Physical Movie. Lot's of things could happen to Physical or Digital, but it all depends on your priorities. With Digital HD my biggest plus is Movies Now, and I predict first run Movies in Theaters will come out at the same time.

Theaters will always be the first option as they are too profitable to cut into that market with first run digital releases. There's no way that any studio will want to sell a major movie for $20 or $30 to a household at launch when they can show it in a theater for $10 per person per viewing and still get another $20 when they launch it on disc and digital later.

So if you're impatient theaters will always be the only option... it's not an issue of digital vs disc. Sure you can get digital a week or two before the disc release but all home viewers are going to be watching each movie 3 or 4 months after theatrical showings so another week isn't a big deal.

For the people who aren't willing to spend more than $5 per movie they'll have to wait a while for either digital or disc. And digital supporters are primarily buying subscription services like Netflix or Amazon Prime. Those people are waiting years for each title.

The majority of disc buyers may not be willing to spend $15-$20 per movie but there are still way more people that are willing to spend that on discs than on digital.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wasgo

Are we? Based on what? Nobody else has stated they intend to use it. It's costly having to film twice as many scenes for the same number of viewers. It's a novelty.



Again, based on what? Your assertions are always based on your presumptions that everything is leading towards the end, which is also your evidence that everything is leading towards the end. It's circular reasoning.

Oh cone on! You are kidding right? Two way interactions with the masses is not the holy grail? Is that what you are telling me?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PCFan

But what if the art insert comes damaged as well? A replacement case is not going to solve that. It's just the principle though. If I buy something brand new, I don't want it to look used or come damaged even if the disc is fine, especially if I paid full retail price. The case and art insert is part of the physical product. I wonder how much resale value is lost with a damaged art insert vs a non-damaged art insert, assuming if you would be reselling directly to a person, and not to a used movie store.

But you would be happy to pay full retail price for a digital copy that is inferior to a disc?

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But you would be happy to pay full retail price for a digital copy that is inferior to a disc?

No I wouldn't. I would not have near as big a digital collection as I do now if it weren't for redeeming codes, D2D, InstaWatch, and $4.99-$7.99 digital sales. It's very hard for me to justify spending over $7.99 on a digital movie. I bought a few $14.99 blu-rays but I can't justify that for a movie digitally no matter how good the movie. I would probably be only doing subscription for digital if it weren't for those things I mentioned.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by PCFan

No I wouldn't. I would not have near as big a digital collection as I do now if it weren't for redeeming codes, D2D, InstaWatch, and $4.99-$7.99 digital sales. It's very hard for me to justify spending over $7.99 on a digital movie. I bought a few $14.99 blu-rays but I can't justify that for a movie digitally no matter how good the movie. I would probably be only doing subscription for digital if it weren't for those things I mentioned.

So how would you feel if a Blu-ray you bought for less than $7.99 came with a damaged case or cover art?

There are two reasons why someone should be concerned about damaged cover art: either they're a collector or they resell their discs. Digital doesn't cater to either of those types of people so it doesn't make sense for anyone to be buying digital because they're bothered by damaged cover art.

[twobelowpar]

I will say this. If it weren't for the secondary code market, I wouldn't be nearly as into digital as I am now. If it came down to choosing to spend $15-$20 on a Bluray with no code or a movie directly from iTunes.. Bluray wins every time.