Disney and DTS MA

[Woody]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

well.... that's debateable

LOL

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Woody

It makes no difference in AQ, personally I am intrigued by the "business side" of it.

As am I actually. Like what made Disney all of a sudden switch to DTS-HD MA. Obviously not quality, as they're all the same.

[Anti-SD]

PCM and DTS-HD MA are my favourite HD Tracks so either way I'm pleased Disney is using one or the other for most of their movies.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Anti-SD

PCM and DTS-HD MA are my favourite HD Tracks so either way I'm pleased Disney is using one or the other for most of their movies.

How can you have a favorite? DTS-HD MA = Dolby TrueHD = PCM... If they all sound the same, why have a favorite?

[SBrooks1]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

How can you have a favorite? DTS-HD MA = Dolby TrueHD = PCM... If they all sound the same, why have a favorite?

They may all be lossless but there's no mistaking that NO they don't all sound the same.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by SBrooks1

They may all be lossless but there's no mistaking that NO they don't all sound the same.

When the mixes and levels are identical they *do* sound the same.

It seems it depends which post house they are using decides on the codec. La Casa uses DTS-HD MA. Others use TrueHD or PCM.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by sonicbox

That's incorrect: there are no additional license fees for use on media.

The money maker for DTS and Dolby is only the playback side. That's where license fees come into play.

Really? The studios don't have to pay anything to DTS/Dolby? But how come they have to pay for THX certification?

I agree about the playback side though, but I only pay once when I bought my PS3/receiver, so that's OK.

I thought the DTS thing is why Fox titles are expensive.

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

How can you have a favorite? DTS-HD MA = Dolby TrueHD = PCM... If they all sound the same, why have a favorite?

They're all lossless, so all the details are the same. That's what lossless is all about, details, bit-by-bit from the studio masters.

However, all tracks could be different in term of loudness dB, EQ, sound imaging, ambience, etc that makes them different. The PCM is just what the movie's sound engineer has done in the studio. But DTS/Dolby could apply their own standards when the PCM was sent to them to encode.

On Fifth Element Remastered, both PCM and Dolby TrueHD are on the disc, I can hear the difference between both. You can also compare both releases of Casino Royale, even the reviewer on this site said it's different.

The Fifth Element (Remastered) Review by Ben Wlliams
Casino Royale: Collector's Edition Review by Greg Maltz

[saprano]

Originally Posted by aiman04

They're all lossless, so all the details are the same. That's what lossless is all about, details, bit-by-bit from the studio masters.

However, all tracks could be different in term of loudness dB, EQ, sound imaging, ambience, etc that makes them different. The PCM is just what the movie's sound engineer has done in the studio. But DTS/Dolby could apply their own standards when the PCM was sent to them to encode.

On Fifth Element Remastered, both PCM and Dolby TrueHD are on the disc, I can hear the difference between both. You can also compare both releases of Casino Royale, even the reviewer on this site said it's different.

The Fifth Element (Remastered) Review by Ben Wlliams
Casino Royale: Collector's Edition Review by Greg Maltz

Oh my your post was music to my ears, finaly someone who understands why we hear a difference, and why alot of people like dts, and pcm.

[Woody]

Uggghhhhh.

No offense, but you hear a difference because you want to.

If TDK was recorded at the same level as a DTS MA track it would sound the same as the existing THD track (pending no dialnorm on the THD).

[zweet77]

Originally Posted by GoYanks

It's like watching a movie on an airplane and your ears haven't popped. Then, they pop and everything sounds crystal clear. That's the difference between lossy and lossless.

That's one of the best descriptions of the sound difference I have heard I think I'll start using that

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Woody

Uggghhhhh.

No offense, but you hear a difference because you want to.

If TDK was recorded at the same level as a DTS MA track it would sound the same as the existing THD track (pending no dialnorm on the THD).

Oh wow im not hearing things, my dts and PCM movies sound better than the TrueHD ones...period! i guess me and the other millions of people who feel the same are crazy.

[Anti-SD]

Originally Posted by aiman04

They're all lossless, so all the details are the same. That's what lossless is all about, details, bit-by-bit from the studio masters.

However, all tracks could be different in term of loudness dB, EQ, sound imaging, ambience, etc that makes them different. The PCM is just what the movie's sound engineer has done in the studio. But DTS/Dolby could apply their own standards when the PCM was sent to them to encode.

On Fifth Element Remastered, both PCM and Dolby TrueHD are on the disc, I can hear the difference between both. You can also compare both releases of Casino Royale, even the reviewer on this site said it's different.

The Fifth Element (Remastered) Review by Ben Wlliams
Casino Royale: Collector's Edition Review by Greg Maltz

Originally Posted by saprano

Oh wow im not hearing things, my dts and PCM movies sound better than the TrueHD ones...period! i guess me and the other millions of people who feel the same are crazy.

Thank you.

So that is why, ClaytonMG, DTS-HDMA & PCM are my favourites.

If I'm branded 'crazy', so be it.

[Woody]

Originally Posted by saprano

Oh wow im not hearing things, my dts and PCM movies sound better than the TrueHD ones...period! i guess me and the other millions of people who feel the same are crazy.

If your DTSMA movies were compressed in Dolby THD, you wouldnt hear a difference.

Millions? Come on man. I doubt millions even have the ability to enjoy lossless, much less share your opinion.

We are no longer talking about DVD here folks.

[Cromlech]

Originally Posted by saprano

Oh wow im not hearing things, my dts and PCM movies sound better than the TrueHD ones...period!

It's only a worthwhle comparison if you are listening to the same movie in the different formats. My copy of Cars in True-HD sounds better than my copy of Kiss of the Dragon in DTS-HD MA, but what does that prove?
A good example is Spiderman 3. I can choose between PCM 5.1 and True-HD 5.1 for sound. The PCM seems louder at the same level on my surround system, but until I get a really good system, I didn't notice much in the way of difference in quality.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by saprano

Oh wow im not hearing things, my dts and PCM movies sound better than the TrueHD ones...period! i guess me and the other millions of people who feel the same are crazy.

Millions?

Seeing as the biggest selling title is Iron Man is only now approaching the one million figure (and is TrueHD) and the most likely biggest Blu title ever will be The Dark Knight (again, TrueHD) and that the majority of standalones support either native TrueHD decoding/bitstreaming and not always DTS-HD MA...

Someone cited The Fifth Element and Casino Royale...they are different masterings for the TrueHD tracks: Fifth Element is 20-bit and Casino Royale is 24-bit (and our own Greg Maltz preferred the TrueHD, read the review carefully).

[nycomet]

Originally Posted by Opips2

I can't wait this Pinocchio has DTS HD 7.1

I love it! They gave us a Pinocchio smilie!

You should have used this smilie in the following context:

I can't wait this has DTS HD 7.1

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Millions?

Someone cited The Fifth Element and Casino Royale...they are different masterings for the TrueHD tracks: Fifth Element is 20-bit and Casino Royale is 24-bit (and our own Greg Maltz preferred the TrueHD, read the review carefully).

I'm not comparing the audio between the two titles. I'm referring the comparison the reviewers made between the different audio tracks of the same title.

The Fifth Element has two tracks, one PCM and one Dolby TrueHD, the comparison is between those two tracks.

And there are two releases of Casino Royale, one with PCM and one with Dolby TrueHD. Again, the comparison was between both track of the same title.

Read my post carefully.

And, I'm not arguing if anyone can't hear the diffrence between all the audio formats. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I was just sharing info, and my very own opinion, nothing more.

[Anti-SD]

Originally Posted by Cromlech

It's only a worthwhle comparison if you are listening to the same movie in the different formats. My copy of Cars in True-HD sounds better than my copy of Kiss of the Dragon in DTS-HD MA, but what does that prove?

You mean PCM?

A good example is Spiderman 3. I can choose between PCM 5.1 and True-HD 5.1 for sound. The PCM seems louder at the same level on my surround system, but until I get a really good system, I didn't notice much in the way of difference in quality.

Yes, the PCM track on that packs more of a punch than the TrueHD. One scene I thought was a good test was when the Sandman punches the cop into the air and onto the womans car, smashing the glass. The glass breaking sounded more natural and of course louder on the PCM as opposed to the TrueHD, which just sounded drowned out.

The only TrueHD tracks Ive been really impressed with so far are "Cloverfield" and the recently released "Kung Fu Panda", which I thought was brilliant.

[ajmrowland]

Originally Posted by GoYanks

That seems to be the big thing for. I have HD audio equipment as do many people at the forum, but those who want to experience blu-ray in all its glory have to buy this equipment.

I think 1080p is great but only half the experience. So what I don't get is why only a majority of people would want HD sound. I would think everyone, once they've heard HD sound would need HD audio.

It's like watching a movie on an airplane and your ears haven't popped. Then, they pop and everything sounds crystal clear. That's the difference between lossy and lossless.

And Woody, I'm not berating you. Your comment just sparked a thought and a concern.

Whoa! Hold your horses there, bud. Most people don't even have SD surround sound systems, yet. The real solution is when the HD Home systems come down in price. I can't go with uncompressed because my receiver's a few years old(only does 2-channel pcm, 5.1 other two). I opt for TruHD/DTS for multi-channel capabilities until then.

[ajmrowland]

Originally Posted by Anti-SD

You mean PCM?

Actually, some copies released in other countries are TruHD. Mine is, and I bought it in Canada.