Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[BMox81]

Originally Posted by huskerbear

That's the thing though, most people don't feel they are giving up much quality going digital.

Most people are happy to watch the latest and greatest in even poorer quality if it means they get to watch it for free via Kodi, let alone iTunes or Vudu.

I think that this whole issue has run it's course now. (I say that and the thread is 144 pages.... )

Regardless of anyone's stance, both physical and digital can live together and will continue to live together for many years to come.

I like both formats and will continue to support both.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by huskerbear

That's the thing though, most people don't feel they are giving up much quality going digital.

Yes but they would be wrong. Audio quality alone before we even get started with video.

[BMox81]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes but they would be wrong. Audio quality alone before we even get started with video.

Your own standards might not be the same, but you can't say that they are wrong. Not if the person's own criteria is met.

Surely you must get tired of saying the same thing in this thread no?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BMox81

Your own standards might not be the same, but you can't say that they are wrong. Not if the person's own criteria is met.

Surely you must get tired of saying the same thing in this thread no?

If their their own situation demands lesser quality, fair enough. That's not the issue. The issue is people clearly stating there is little difference. That is simply a mistruth.

Finally, do I get fed up of defending Blu-Ray? Nope. There has been a growing trend of members joining in the last year telling us long term disc collectors how great Digital is and how it is the future. I'm not having it, sorry.

[SarahS]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My concern is film itself. The industry seems intent on ******* it up for those that love it. I just think Digital is an enabler. Like the interactive tv example I talked about. My fear is that interactive tv and film will replace linear versions. It would be a total nightmare as I don't want to interact with my movies, I just want to watch them. However, some serious money is being invested in this area and film directors and companies alike are getting involved (MGM for one)
It's experiments like this, that will end up screwing us over.
At a time when we should be celebrating 4K and the advancements in tech, I actually can't help but fear the shite that is around the corner.

Ok but time and progress march on.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If their their own situation demands lesser quality, fair enough. That's not the issue. The issue is people clearly stating there is little difference. That is simply a mistruth.

Finally, do I get fed up of defending Blu-Ray? Nope. There has been a growing trend of members joining in the last year telling us long term disc collectors how great Digital is and how it is the future. I'm not having it, sorry.

better start accepting it. It is the wave of the future it seems.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes but they would be wrong. Audio quality alone before we even get started with video.

Hardly any difference in Video and I have a 140 inch Projection system. Audio some difference but still sound very good on my system.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by SarahS

Ok but time and progress march on.



better start accepting it. It is the wave of the future it seems.




Hardly any difference in Video and I have a 140 inch Projection system. Audio some difference but still sound very good on my system.

Time, yes? Progress, not so much

I'm not accepting anything. Like I said, ITunes music downloads were the future. Now, sales are falling off a cliff. Meanwhile CD and Vinyl are still here.

Sorry I don't do 'good enough' I care enough about film and home cinema to want the very best.

By the way, you, IMO, are a perfect example of what I am talking about. New members, giving it large about Digital. This a Blu-Ray forum. Not going to take that crap from you or anyone else.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Time, yes? Progress, not so much

I'm not accepting anything. Like I said, ITunes music downloads were the future. Now, sales are falling off a cliff. Meanwhile CD and Vinyl are still here.

Sorry I don't do 'good enough' I care enough about film and home cinema to want the very best.

By the way, you, IMO, are a perfect example of what I am talking about. New members, giving it large about Digital. This a Blu-Ray forum. Not going to take that crap from you or anyone else.

You don't have to accept digital as the future. It may not be the definitive future. Nobody knows that.

You don't have to settle for good enough. (Btw, have you upgraded to UHD and Atmos yet?)

You don't need to attack new members for defending digital in the Digital Movies forum, though. Debate, sure. But you act like people aren't allowed to prefer digital.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by SarahS

better start accepting it. It is the wave of the future it seems.

If we accept and support digital because we think it's inevitable that makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Physical media will only die out if everyone stops supporting it.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

If we accept and support digital because we think it's inevitable that makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy. Physical media will only die out if everyone stops supporting it.

That's very true. I wouldn't make the argument that people should support digital because it's inevitable (or have I? I don't remember). I don't see any problem with people supporting their favorite format(s). I'm still not all-in with digital. Not everything is available on digital. Not everything on digital includes special features. Not everything on digital has a choice of 3D. If you like a wide variety of movies new & old, like special features and obsess over movies like I do, you probably support both digital and physical. That's just the reality of things.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

You don't have to accept digital as the future. It may not be the definitive future. Nobody knows that.

You don't have to settle for good enough. (Btw, have you upgraded to UHD and Atmos yet?)

You don't need to attack new members for defending digital in the Digital Movies forum, though. Debate, sure. But you act like people aren't allowed to prefer digital.

It's the equivalent of joining a Playstation frorum then bleeting on about Xbox or Nintendo. This is a Blu-Ray forum.

Have I upgraded, no. I am close but I want to ensure I have all the necessary display tech so I am waiting until the standards get ironed out a little. I will 100% be upgrading. Not sure what you are trying to imply by that or are you just being a smart Alec?

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It's the equivalent of joining a Playstation frorum then bleeting on about Xbox or Nintendo. This is a Blu-Ray forum.

Have I upgraded, no. I am close but I want to ensure I have all the necessary display tech so I am waiting until the standards get ironed out a little. I will 100% be upgrading. Not sure what you are trying to imply by that or are you just being a smart Alec?

It's not inappropriate for people to talk digital on here. Many Blu-rays include digital copies. That's generally how most digital enthusiasts got into it. Plus this is the Digital Movies subforum. It's the most appropriate place for people to discuss it.

I thought that I saw you mention UHD in the past. I wanted to know if you were going to pursue that new format, and if not, why. It's the next level up from regular Blu-ray. I already own seven UHD discs. I haven't bought one lately, but I have a couple on preorder. I've yet to upgrade to a UHD player, so it's not that exciting to collect discs you can't watch. Good thing they're all combo packs with regular BDs and digital copies.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

It's not inappropriate for people to talk digital on here. Many Blu-rays include digital copies. That's generally how most digital enthusiasts got into it. Plus this is the Digital Movies subforum. It's the most appropriate place for people to discuss it.

I thought that I saw you mention UHD in the past. I wanted to know if you were going to pursue that new format, and if not, why. It's the next level up from regular Blu-ray. I already own seven UHD discs. I haven't bought one lately, but I have a couple on preorder. I've yet to upgrade to a UHD player, so it's not that exciting to collect discs you can't watch. Good thing they're all combo packs with regular BDs and digital copies.

That's fine, but it's the tone and the wording. It's just trolling IMO. Wave of the future and all that bollocks It's just bait plain and simple. Of course I will retaliate.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That's fine, but it's the tone and the wording. It's just trolling IMO. Wave of the future and all that bollocks It's just bait plain and simple. Of course I will retaliate.

Fair enough. Some of it does seem like baiting, and deserves a response. Both sides get a voice.

[p w]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

Approaching the 2 year anniversary, 3000 posts/150pages of this thread.

The Pros/cons in the OP have pretty much remained the same with only one significant addition that I can surmise and that was made fairly early on "Quality of PQ/AQ"

OP did a wonderful summary of both sides of the pro/con to begin with. Not sure there is much that has been added to either of the two sides since their original post.

[BMox81]

I just can't understand why there has to be sides in all this?

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It's the equivalent of joining a Playstation frorum then bleeting on about Xbox or Nintendo. This is a Blu-Ray forum.

Have I upgraded, no. I am close but I want to ensure I have all the necessary display tech so I am waiting until the standards get ironed out a little. I will 100% be upgrading. Not sure what you are trying to imply by that or are you just being a smart Alec?

This is a bit more than a Blu-ray forum at this point. It may have started that way, but we're well past that. People talk about movies, games, LEGO, digital, football, basketball, etc... All on this site. Hell I can't think of the last time I actually posted in the Blu-ray section of the forum haha.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by BMox81

I just can't understand why there has to be sides in all this?

physical and digital are direct substitutes for each other. If digital was just something that came with physical then we would not be so divided but as it as both sides see the other as a threat.

If digital gains to much popularity then it will devalue bds and fewer titles will make it to the format while simultaneously lowering the value of some peoples extensive collections. This is partly why dvd still sells better then blu ray if you have 1000 dvds and you accept that bd looks better then dvd then you would have an inferior collection that needs to be replaced. If you say you cant see a difference though then your collection is still just fine and you can ignore bd for your vested interests.

If physical wins out then digital distributors will go out of business and digital buyers will lose their entire collections due to the restrictive drm. The streaming market has been shown to be rather unstable as around one distributor has gone out of business each year.

Its like asking why hd dvd and bd customers both had a side. Their could be only one in the long term and the other guy gets screwed. The same thing is going to happen its just hard to tell if it will be physical, amazon video, itunes or vudu.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BMox81

I just can't understand why there has to be sides in all this?

Consequences.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by SarahS

better start accepting it. It is the wave of the future it seems.

Not on this site it's not, you're preaching to the wrong choir. You hard drive collecting folk are out numbered 50 to 1, your insignificant little sub-forum (better start accepting that) only gets a small fraction of the traffic that the Blu-ray movie sub-forums receive here.

[tobz]

Has anyone here tried Plex? Seems like you put your own collection onto a home sever and stream. Could be best of both worlds.

Edit - bloody autocorrect