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[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I don't think it's necessary to do the whole "Spidey battles with the symbiote before it latches onto Brock" thing all over again. Give things a new spin. Brock's a small-time criminal who comes across the symbiote and uses it for ill gains before some bigger threat emerges in the form of Carnage and with Spidey out helping save the world from bigger dangers, Venom is the only game in town to save NYC. Something like that. I'm all for them trying something new and adapting these character/source material for the big screen, rather than simply take stories we already know and regurgitate them all over again. Just gonna keep an open mind, it's easy to be dismissive (especially with Sony lol) but the idea of getting Spidey standalones, Spidey with the Avengers, and movies about Spidey villains is all kinds of tantalizing.

Then how would you explain why Venom has Spider-Man's powers?

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

Then how would you explain why Venom has Spider-Man's powers?

The symbiote connects with/kinda controls the mind of whoever it's latched onto. Brock is jealous of the fame and attention Spidey gets, and because Spidey may have stopped him during a crime or something. When the symbiote finds him, it taps into Brock's jealousy/hatred of Spidey and gives him similar powers. Boom, done. Took two minutes lol. It's not the canon origin story but it's different and can still work as a standalone movie without a need for Spidey.

I'd still like for Spidey to be involved, but reading that first sentence of the OP's last paragraph doesn't give me much confidence, plus Disney/Marvel will want nothing to do with an R-rated movie. I think they can still have a fully CG Spidey that shows up on news footage or in the distance somewhere, things like that. But making a decent Venom movie without Spidey isn't impossible. And I'm sure Sony is putting a little more thought into this than I just did.

At least I hope they are...

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The symbiote connects with/kinda controls the mind of whoever it's latched onto. Brock is jealous of the fame and attention Spidey gets, and because Spidey may have stopped him during a crime or something. When the symbiote finds him, it taps into Brock's jealousy/hatred of Spidey and gives him similar powers. Boom, done. Took two minutes lol. It's not the canon origin story but it's different and can still work as a standalone movie without a need for Spidey.

I'd still like for Spidey to be involved, but reading that first sentence of the OP's last paragraph doesn't give me much confidence, plus Disney/Marvel will want nothing to do with an R-rated movie. I think they can still have a fully CG Spidey that shows up on news footage or in the distance somewhere, things like that. But making a decent Venom movie without Spidey isn't impossible. And I'm sure Sony is putting a little more thought into this than I just did.

At least I hope they are...

lol, you're just proving my point that they are rushing things. Venom getting Spidey powers without any physical contact? Yeah... introducing the symbiote in The Avengers: Infinity War is a far better idea than this mess.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

lol, you're just proving my point that they are rushing things. Venom getting Spidey powers without any physical contact? Yeah... introducing the symbiote in The Avengers: Infinity War is a far better idea than this mess.

Only if you want venom in the MCU, I don't.

[Mike1981]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

lol, you're just proving my point that they are rushing things. Venom getting Spidey powers without any physical contact? Yeah... introducing the symbiote in The Avengers: Infinity War is a far better idea than this mess.

They don't need to explain everything. Just start with Venom already up and running.

Cramming more into Infinity War is a terrible idea.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by CyberpunkCentral

lol, you're just proving my point that they are rushing things. Venom getting Spidey powers without any physical contact? Yeah... introducing the symbiote in The Avengers: Infinity War is a far better idea than this mess.

Fair enough. Like I said, MCU symbiote would've been better but in lieu of that, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see where they go. R-rated Venom is already encouraging, I remember reading some comic a while ago that basically turned the symbiote into the Thing and had it run amok in some Arctic facility (read it like 10 years ago, hazy memory of it). Good bit of violence. I'd like to see something like that (not inspired by the Thing, but that type of violence and gore) on the big screen.

[CyberpunkCentral]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

Only if you want venom in the MCU, I don't.

I want Venom with Spider-Man. That's what I want. People talk as if Venom is similar to characters like Deadpool and Wolverine. Difference is, you don't need the X-Men to make movies out of those two characters. Venom, however, is heavily tied to Spider-Man. You can't just simply ignore that.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Fair enough. Like I said, MCU symbiote would've been better but in lieu of that, I'm willing to keep an open mind and see where they go. R-rated Venom is already encouraging, I remember reading some comic a while ago that basically turned the symbiote into the Thing and had it run amok in some Arctic facility (read it like 10 years ago, hazy memory of it). Good bit of violence. I'd like to see something like that (not inspired by the Thing, but that type of violence and gore) on the big screen.

I'm trying to keep an open mind as well. I don't mind the idea of a Venom movie at all. It's the reason behind it that bothers me. This whole idea of a Spider-Man "cinematic universe" is SO forced down our throats that it's such a big turn off. Sony is like that uncle that took you to a casino when you were younger, and all you're doing is just sitting there watching him gamble and then he tells you, "aren't we having fun?". That's what Sony is like to me. They know that Venom has a loyal fan base. But they do not know the lore enough to know which direction is best for the character. They're like, derp! we don't care how tied he is with Spider-Man. Just make a Venom movie. This is what the fans want. It worked for Disney, Fox, and Warner Bros. herp to the derp. They don't know WTF fans want. Disney, Fox, and Warner Bros. doesn't make movies about side characters. Well, Gambit and Gotham City Sirens are debatable, but still. Characters like Deadpool and Wolverine are their own brands that are separated from the X-Men. Where as Venom (debatable), Silver Sable, Black Cat, Aunt May, The Sinister Six are all just Spider-Man side characters. Not characters that can start franchises.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The symbiote connects with/kinda controls the mind of whoever it's latched onto. Brock is jealous of the fame and attention Spidey gets, and because Spidey may have stopped him during a crime or something. When the symbiote finds him, it taps into Brock's jealousy/hatred of Spidey and gives him similar powers. Boom, done. Took two minutes lol. It's not the canon origin story but it's different and can still work as a standalone movie without a need for Spidey.

I'd still like for Spidey to be involved, but reading that first sentence of the OP's last paragraph doesn't give me much confidence, plus Disney/Marvel will want nothing to do with an R-rated movie. I think they can still have a fully CG Spidey that shows up on news footage or in the distance somewhere, things like that. But making a decent Venom movie without Spidey isn't impossible. And I'm sure Sony is putting a little more thought into this than I just did.

At least I hope they are...

Could even do that with a pre-title sequence or an Incredible Hulk-style credits recap. Lots of ways to get around Spidey not fully featuring in these movies, but seeing as Sony still own the character (in a movie sense) I don't see how they'd be entirely sans Spidey as long as they're not referencing the MCU. Obviously Tom Holland's not gonna be starring in every single one anyway, but a wee cameo here and there would be enough, unless it's part of their current co-op that they cannot use Spidey for side projects at all while he's in the MCU.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Could even do that with a pre-title sequence or an Incredible Hulk-style credits recap. Lots of ways to get around Spidey not fully featuring in these movies, but seeing as Sony still own the character (in a movie sense) I don't see how they'd be entirely sans Spidey as long as they're not referencing the MCU. Obviously Tom Holland's not gonna be starring in every single one anyway, but a wee cameo here and there would be enough, unless it's part of their current co-op that they cannot use Spidey for side projects at all while he's in the MCU.

That's what I'd like to get clarified, if anyone knows. Marvel/Disney would be smart to tell Sony NOT to use Spidey in any homegrown films, considering that they'd want their new-and-improved Spidey not to be tainted by appearing in any potentially subpar Sony product (and that concern would be justified lol). If the language allows for Spidey to make an appearance so long as it's not Tom Holland or so long as it's some nebulous Spidey who we never see as Peter Parker, then I think Sony has a LOT of wiggle room to do some pretty cool things. But even if it's flat-out "no Spidey at all," I'm sure there are ways to make this thing work without him.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

That's what I'd like to get clarified, if anyone knows. Marvel/Disney would be smart to tell Sony NOT to use Spidey in any homegrown films, considering that they'd want their new-and-improved Spidey not to be tainted by appearing in any potentially subpar Sony product (and that concern would be justified lol). If the language allows for Spidey to make an appearance so long as it's not Tom Holland or so long as it's some nebulous Spidey who we never see as Peter Parker, then I think Sony has a LOT of wiggle room to do some pretty cool things. But even if it's flat-out "no Spidey at all," I'm sure there are ways to make this thing work without him.

They could always get Andrew Garfield back for a few cameos lol

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

They could always get Andrew Garfield back for a few cameos lol