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Old 04-30-2017, 10:53 PM   #81681
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Clock management is terrible and he's taken Philly far but never won. I say he's overrated.
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:54 PM   #81682
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Patriots didn't pick until 83 but got their 4th highest draft grade? Browns took best player in draft and only a B? What are they smoking?
Exactly why I think draft grades are dumb.
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:07 PM   #81683
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Clock management is terrible and he's taken Philly far but never won. I say he's overrated.
Big difference between overrated and terrible. He's found a lot of success in coaching.
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:23 PM   #81684
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Big difference between overrated and terrible. He's found a lot of success in coaching.
He might be a better scout or manager than coach. Oh well, we will see when he calls it quits.
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:28 PM   #81685
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Yeah Andy Reid ain't to shabby I would say he's a good coach. Doesn't have a lot of losing seasons and I know he missed the big one but I mean a lot of coaches haven't won a super bowl. I bet a lot of teams would take andy in a heartbeat.
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Old 05-01-2017, 12:14 AM   #81686
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I heard that!!!
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:50 AM   #81687
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New story about Cutler. Supposedly he wanted to play for the Texans and they refused to return any of his calls.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:55 AM   #81688
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:34 AM   #81689
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I really don't get the Andy Reid hate. The guy is at worst an above average head coach. He came as close as you can get to winning a championship and has been a consistent winner in two cities. His job in KC speaks for itself.

Kansas City the two seasons pre-Andy-Reid: 9-23
Kansas City under Andy Reid: 43-21, 3 playoff appearances in 4 seasons. His offense also helped revitalize Alex Smith's up until then very average career.

Same deal with Philadelphia. It was a garbage franchise when he took it over and went 130-93 with him, including 9 playoff appearances in 13 seasons, 4 NFC title games and one Super Bowl appearance.
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Old 05-01-2017, 03:41 AM   #81690
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:04 PM   #81691
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Patriots didn't pick until 83 but got their 4th highest draft grade? Browns took best player in draft and only a B? What are they smoking?
When you grade the Patriots draft you have to look at the players they traded for in addition to who they drafted. Via draft pick trades they got an established #1 receiver in Brandin Cooks, Kony Ealy, Dwayne Allen, and Mike Gillislee. Those four players should all play major roles for the Patriots this season.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:11 PM   #81692
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Exactly why I think draft grades are dumb.
As are mocks.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:36 PM   #81693
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As are mocks.
True; mocks have been better in prior years. This year's was a crapshoot.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:51 PM   #81694
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F cutler because he had the talent but no heart!
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:02 PM   #81695
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When you grade the Patriots draft you have to look at the players they traded for in addition to who they drafted. Via draft pick trades they got an established #1 receiver in Brandin Cooks, Kony Ealy, Dwayne Allen, and Mike Gillislee. Those four players should all play major roles for the Patriots this season.
Weren't Allen and Gillislee free agent signings? You don't count players that were traded for in draft grades. You look at the value of the drafted players where they were taken. They had late picks but got decent value out of them, hence the A grade.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:02 PM   #81696
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Draft grades are fun to read but thats it. A lot of places gave us a B in 2014 and that was Mack and Carr. They'd go 1 and 2 if you redid that draft today. Every other time if we get an A the players end up busts (McClain) or vice versa. Grade this shit in 2020

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Old 05-01-2017, 02:38 PM   #81697
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Draft grades are fun to read but thats it. A lot of places gave us a B in 2014 and that was Mack and Carr. They'd go 1 and 2 if you redid that draft today. Every other time if we get an A the players end up busts (McClain) or vice versa. Grade this shit in 2020
Both analysts and fans alike were extremely skeptical of Carr, for good reason. I really did think he'd be a bust.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:40 PM   #81698
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Draft grades are fun to read but thats it. A lot of places gave us a B in 2014 and that was Mack and Carr. They'd go 1 and 2 if you redid that draft today. Every other time if we get an A the players end up busts (McClain) or vice versa. Grade this shit in 2020
This. I remember years ago the Steelers got an A+ grade in a draft because the only need they had at the time was receiver. They drafted Limus Sweed and I don't think that guy ever saw the field.
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Old 05-01-2017, 04:24 PM   #81699
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Weren't Allen and Gillislee free agent signings? You don't count players that were traded for in draft grades. You look at the value of the drafted players where they were taken. They had late picks but got decent value out of them, hence the A grade.
The Patriots signed Gillislee as a restricted free agent and when the Bills didn't match the Bills got the Patriots 5th round pick. They traded for Allen from the Colts and gave up a 4th round pick (and received the Colts 6th round pick in addition to Allen). So while the Patriots only drafted 4 players they got 8 players with their draft picks (as well as some players that were on the team in 2016). Some analysts only grade drafts based on the players actually drafted but the reason Mel Kiper gave the Patriots an A and Pete Prisco of CBS Sports gave them a B was because of the players traded for with their picks in addition to the players actually drafted.
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Haha Drew Pearson Wikipedia list his 2017 NFL draft Savage Award. That's epic.
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