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Old 04-27-2017, 12:56 AM   #881
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The implication was obvious - to me, at least - that Norman killed Dr. Edwards.
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:21 AM   #882
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[Show spoiler]Norman's death coming as soon as the double gravestone was introduced.
Once it was revealed that the final season would somewhat adapt Psycho and that it wouldn't be ending prior to where Psycho began (which is what I had been hoping for since the first season), I pretty much figured that was the very likely outcome. The question then was only how it would happen.
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The Dr. Edwards non-reveal was perfect, because it puts the onus on us, the viewers, to determine how likely it was that it was actually Norman who killed him, if he is actually even dead.

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The Dr. Edwards non-reveal was perfect, because it's puts the onus on us, the viewers, to determine how likely it was that it was actually Norman who killed him, if he is actually even dead.
It also makes you wonder if Norman killed anyone else during the time jump that we're not aware of.
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Old 04-27-2017, 05:25 PM   #885
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This show was simply amazing! Loved Vera Farmiga as Norma Bates!
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Old 04-27-2017, 10:08 PM   #886
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A&E Doubles Down on Non-fiction, Exits Scripted in Programming Strategy Shift
by Nellie Andreeva
April 27, 2017



As A&E is reaching a turning point in its ratings comeback with the first back-to-back months of viewership growth in almost four years, the A&E network is recalibrating its programming strategy, returning to its roots as an exclusively non-fiction brand.

Following the end of A&E’s signature drama series "Bates Motel" earlier this week, there will be no more scripted programming on the cable network going forward.





The move had been in the works for awhile; while A&E launched a number of unscripted series over the last two years, including recent breakouts "60 Days In", "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath", and "Live PD", there have been no scripted greenlights — pilot or series — since 2015.

A&E’s head of scripted, SVP Gabriel Marano, already had transitioned to A&E Studios where he reports to EVP Barry Jossen.





Scripted programming has had a continuous presence on A&E for the past 9 years, though no series introduced since the 2013 debut of "Bates Motel" lasted more than a season.

After an initial foray in the arena with the Sidney Lumet legal drama "100 Centre Street", which aired for two seasons from 2001-02, the network launched a major scripted push in 2008-09 with the miniseries "The Andromeda Strain" and drama series "The Cleaner" and "The Beast", both of which ran for two seasons.

Besides the well-received Psycho prequel "Bates Motel", which just wrapped its five-season run, A&E’s biggest scripted success came with dramas "Longmire" and "The Glades", both of which aired for three seasons. (Longmire has produced three more for Netflix following its cancellation by A&E.)





I am extremely proud of all the scripted that we’ve done,” said Rob Sharenow, EVP and General Manager, A&E and Lifetime, who took over A&E in 2015 after previously working in the network’s nonfiction department from 2003-2011, rising to head of nonfiction and alternative.

I think Bates Motel was one of the best shows on television but to be candid, it was a bit of an outlier on the schedule, there wasn’t an ecosystem of scripted to support it. I think it’s a testament to the power of the A&E brand that we’ve had the success we’ve had in scripted given the limited amount of investment we’ve made in that area.

But I think in today’s world where we really try to clarify and focus our brand for the consumers and to lean into what we are best known for, what we are best at, I think it was a good time to say, ‘We are going to double down on nonfiction content where we are having a lot of success. The market’s really hungry for it.'






It is symbolic that the new chapter of A&E as a fully unscripted brand starts with the return of the show that first established the network as a nonfiction destination, "Biography".

The biggest show on A&E for 20 years, earning 44 Emmy nominations and several wins, "Biography" is being revived across the A&E Networks, starting with a two-hour documentary about the murder of rapper Notorious B.I.G., which premieres on A&E on June 28.

In addition to "Biography", A&E’s signature nonfiction series include "The First 48" and the Emmy-winning "Intervention", both of which have been on for more than a decade, joined in 2010 by "Storage Wars" and in 2014 by "Wahlburgers", both of which became franchises, spawning additional shows.

The network found a mega hit in the 2012 "Duck Dynasty", which propelled the network to meteoric ratings highs early in its run. But with its decline, so did A&E’s fortunes.





After going through a slump the last couple of years with no major new hits, A&E has been on the upswing again, posting the first year-to-year ratings gains since 2013 in September (A25-54), December (A24-54, total viewers), March (viewers) and April (A24-54, total viewers).

Sharenow attributes the recent success to breakouts "60 Days In", currently in Season 3 with a fourth season already shot; "Scientology and the Aftermath", renewed for a second season to air in the summer; and "Live PD", which “has been really transformative for the brand.

"Live PD‘s" initial 8-episode run was extended, and the live show has expanded to two nights a week. It is currently slated to air weekly on Fridays and Saturdays through May 13, with talks underway to extend that further through the summer.





Sharenow also noted that over the past 12 months, A&E’s "Born This Way" and "Cartel Land" won Emmys while "Life, Animated" received an Oscar nomination.

That is an amazing aggregation of great stuff all hitting at once,” he said. “It builds upon a foundation that was already there with shows like Intervention, The First 48, Nightwatch, not to mention Wahlburgers and a lot of the stuff that has been an ongoing part of our DNA for quite a long time.





The momentum in nonfiction likely played a role in the decision to phase out scripted programming on A&E. Also factoring in is the fact that the genre is well represented within A&E Networks by stronger scripted brands.

From a portfolio perspective, we have within our family Lifetime and History,” Sharenow said. “I think that Lifetime is a premium scripted destination, it always has been and will be. We just announced the Greg Berlanti series, You, we have UnReal, we’re really looking to build upon that with both series and movies. And on the History side, History in my opinion has some of the best, most successful shows on television in Vikings and Six, and that’s another area our company is looking to invest more.

There will be a programming investment in A&E too where resources will be redirected to documentaries and docu series. “We will be increasing the number of hours,” Sharenow said, adding, “We are very careful to curate based on the quality of the project.





On the heels of the success of Live PD, A&E is developing more live programs.

As for the network’s existing scripted development, will the projects be released or redirected to sister networks History and Lifetime? “It really depends on the project,” Sharenow said. “Everything is being evaluated based on what the opportunity is both internal and external. There isn’t a cookie-cutter response based on the project.





As the cable universe becomes more fragmented, networks have been looking to narrow their brands to distinguish themselves from the competition. After briefly expanding into half-hour comedies, USA Network pulled away from the genre to focus on its core drama programming that viewers associate with its brand.

Similarly, three years after it entered the unscripted arena, AMC pulled out to focus on its core scripted business.

http://deadline.com/2017/04/ae-nonfi...ft-1202077488/
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That is all. I haven't even watched A&E since The Returned was (bad) and got cancelled anyway, so it won't be hard for me to ignore this channel.
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"We just had one of the best scripted shows on television, so let's never do one again!"

Brilliant!
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:22 AM   #889
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Bates Motel was the only time i even watched this channel so they won't have to worry about me tuning in.
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:51 AM   #890
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Between Longmire (which I still need to catch up on now that it's on Netflix) and Bates Motel, they had two of the best shows on TV.

I hadn't heard they were bringing back Biography. Used to enjoy that back in the '90s and early-2000s.
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The implication was obvious - to me, at least - that Norman killed Dr. Edwards.
I don't buy it.
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I don't buy it.
Reasons?

It's logical to me.

1. There was a time jump.

2. Norman didn't just magically abstain from killing people during that period we didn't get to see.

3. Dr. Edwards "disappeared" - just like Bradley and many of Norman's other victims.

4. Damon Gupton (Dr. Edwards) wasn't available to do more, so it makes sense that all of this happened off-screen + his one appearance this season led to the cool twist that Norman hallucinated him because he'd already "disappeared."
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I'm a bit late to the party but like many others I didn't like the stuff with Romero but I enjoyed the ending overall. Romero's stuff just didn't seem believable. The final scenes felt right though.
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I'm a bit late to the party but like many others I didn't like the stuff with Romero but I enjoyed the ending overall. Romero's stuff just didn't seem believable. The final scenes felt right though.
Agreed regarding Romero. He shouldn't have returned for the last season at all. His character was completely unnecessary for the last season.
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If Romero hadn't come back, people would have complained about that hole. I'm glad they brought him back and wrapped up that storyline.
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Reasons?

It's logical to me.

1. There was a time jump.

2. Norman didn't just magically abstain from killing people during that period we didn't get to see.

3. Dr. Edwards "disappeared" - just like Bradley and many of Norman's other victims.

4. Damon Gupton (Dr. Edwards) wasn't available to do more, so it makes sense that all of this happened off-screen + his one appearance this season led to the cool twist that Norman hallucinated him because he'd already "disappeared."
Because all of Norman's other deaths we know about, so it just seems bizarre to me they would do that. I haven't seen any interviews or anything with cast/creators about it either confirming it.
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Because all of Norman's other deaths we know about, so it just seems bizarre to me they would do that. I haven't seen any interviews or anything with cast/creators about it either confirming it.
I agree it was a bizarre way to handle it, but there were apparently extenuating circumstances - Damon Gupton (the Dr. Edwards actor) was not available as much as they were expecting - so we got what we got. I thought they handled it the best way possible, by making it so thought-provoking and open to debate. On that note, there was an interview with Freddie Highmore (Norman) where he said he personally thinks the entire Bradley return and death was a hallucination. I don't have the link, but that struck me as interesting.
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On that note, there was an interview with Freddie Highmore (Norman) where he said he personally thinks the entire Bradley return and death was a hallucination. I don't have the link, but that struck me as interesting.
There was always something odd about Bradley's reappearance to me. I mean, she just randomly appeared in the middle of the road one night while he thought he was chasing after the dog, which was dead by that point. I was frequently waiting for the revelation that Norman was just hallucinating her, especially because, if I recall correctly, Norman was the only person she even interacted with. It just would have been nice to know one way or the other.
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Because all of Norman's other deaths we know about, so it just seems bizarre to me they would do that. I haven't seen any interviews or anything with cast/creators about it either confirming it.
I'm not convinced that we know about all of Norman's other murders. More specifically, I have trouble believing that Norman went two years without killing anyone during the gap between seasons 4 and 5, especially considering he was living alone without any family or friends for support (aside from maybe Chick, who's not exactly a good influence).
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It was established that he killed his Doctor. He went missing and was presumed dead. Remember?
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