Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

The problem down the line is that many folk won't pay for broadband and 5g contract. The phones are more important to younger generation so they will kill the broadband and make do with their mobile. That's the real threat, not data caps. You can still watch a lot of HD content on 250 gig allowances.

[Steedeel]

Alchav, that's not going to happen. Fibre is all but abandoned IMO. It's proving too expensive. Like I have said for years, mobile is Digital's future. It's the home cinema killer, even if you guys don't know it yet.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Alchav, that's not going to happen. Fibre is all but abandoned IMO. It's proving too expensive. Like I have said for years, mobile is Digital's future. It's the home cinema killer, even if you guys don't know it yet.

I've pretty much said this before, but I don't necessarily think that young people using mobile devices by default means that they have no interest at all in watching things on a bigger TV at all.

If they still "live at home" with their parents, they likely watch some things on the main TV in the living room or whatever.

What is probably happening in some instances is that they don't have a TV in their room, and they aren't necessarily worried about getting one because they can watch content on their tablet or whatever.

You see this as a death knell of home cinema. The way I see it is a more modern equivalent/alternative to what I had growing up.

During my childhood and most of my teenage years, I never had anything bigger than a 13 inch TV in my bedroom. Not because I wouldn't necessarily want something bigger, it's just what I had. I happened to win a 27" TV in an employee contest where I worked part time when I was 17 (and took that TV with me to college), but if that didn't happen, I probably would have still been using a 13 inch TV during that time.


These days with tablets having all of the features that they do, I can see where for some young people, having one is enough for now and they don't necessarily "need" a TV. Since they probably have limited disposable income of their own, and with items like a tablet or TV being the sort of thing that they can only realistically ask for an receive on occasions like Christmas or their B-Day, I can see why they may opt for the tablet. They can use it in their room, but also take it with them where ever they go.

And since the screen on the average modern tablet is going to be much sharper with significantly better resolution than an old 13 inch standard def CRT TV, and they are likely sitting closer to it than I would have that old TV when it was sitting on a dresser across my room, they are probably getting something that is at least comparatively closer to a home theater experience than I would have been back in the day.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I've pretty much said this before, but I don't necessarily think that young people using mobile devices by default means that they have no interest at all in watching things on a bigger TV at all.

If they still "live at home" with their parents, they likely watch some things on the main TV in the living room or whatever.

What is probably happening in some instances is that they don't have a TV in their room, and they aren't necessarily worried about getting one because they can watch content on their tablet or whatever.

You see this as a death knell of home cinema. The way I see it is a more modern equivalent/alternative to what I had growing up.

During my childhood and most of my teenage years, I never had anything bigger than a 13 inch TV in my bedroom. Not because I wouldn't necessarily want something bigger, it's just what I had. I happened to win a 27" TV in an employee contest where I worked part time when I was 17 (and took that TV with me to college), but if that didn't happen, I probably would have still been using a 13 inch TV during that time.


These days with tablets having all of the features that they do, I can see where for some young people, having one is enough for now and they don't necessarily "need" a TV. Since they probably have limited disposable income of their own, and with items like a tablet or TV being the sort of thing that they can only realistically ask for an receive on occasions like Christmas or their B-Day, I can see why they may opt for the tablet. They can use it in their room, but also take it with them where ever they go.

And since the screen on the average modern tablet is going to be much sharper with significantly better resolution than an old 13 inch standard def CRT TV, and they are likely sitting closer to it than I would have that old TV when it was sitting on a dresser across my room, they are probably getting something that is at least comparatively closer to a home theater experience than I would have been back in the day.

Don't you think it goes beyond that though? They use smartphones for games, YouTube, twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, What's App, Instragram, Netflix, Amazon, catch up, music etc..
When I was young, any portable tv was used for film , consoles and tv and that was it.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don't you think it goes beyond that though? They use smartphones for games, YouTube, twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, What's App, Instragram, Netflix, Amazon, catch up, music etc..
When I was young, any portable tv was used for film , consoles and tv and that was it.

Same here Steedeel.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don't you think it goes beyond that though? They use smartphones for games, YouTube, twitter, Snapchat, Facebook, What's App, Instragram, Netflix, Amazon, catch up, music etc..
When I was young, any portable tv was used for film , consoles and tv and that was it.

Well, sure, times have changes in that respect. But many of the things that you listed there --most of which didn't exist when we were young-- can also be done on a Smart-TV, or even a regular HDTV with a modern console attached to it, etc.

I think both things will co-exist.

Of all of the things that I'm concerned about regarding the future of media, TVs "going away" is most certainly NOT one of them.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Well, sure, times have changes in that respect. But many of the things that you listed there --most of which didn't exist when we were young-- can also be done on a Smart-TV, or even a regular HDTV with a modern console attached to it, etc.

I think both things will co-exist.

Of all of the things that I'm concerned about regarding the future of media, TVs "going away" is most certainly NOT one of them.

But don't you think it's inevitable if broadband subscriptions continue to fall?

[flyry]

Originally Posted by steedeel

why not just watch hd? 720p is only around 2.5mbps on netflix.

gross

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

gross

Yes, but surely better than SD in that particular situation?

[huskerbear]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I've pretty much said this before, but I don't necessarily think that young people using mobile devices by default means that they have no interest at all in watching things on a bigger TV at all.

If they still "live at home" with their parents, they likely watch some things on the main TV in the living room or whatever.

What is probably happening in some instances is that they don't have a TV in their room, and they aren't necessarily worried about getting one because they can watch content on their tablet or whatever.

You see this as a death knell of home cinema. The way I see it is a more modern equivalent/alternative to what I had growing up.

During my childhood and most of my teenage years, I never had anything bigger than a 13 inch TV in my bedroom. Not because I wouldn't necessarily want something bigger, it's just what I had. I happened to win a 27" TV in an employee contest where I worked part time when I was 17 (and took that TV with me to college), but if that didn't happen, I probably would have still been using a 13 inch TV during that time.


These days with tablets having all of the features that they do, I can see where for some young people, having one is enough for now and they don't necessarily "need" a TV. Since they probably have limited disposable income of their own, and with items like a tablet or TV being the sort of thing that they can only realistically ask for an receive on occasions like Christmas or their B-Day, I can see why they may opt for the tablet. They can use it in their room, but also take it with them where ever they go.

And since the screen on the average modern tablet is going to be much sharper with significantly better resolution than an old 13 inch standard def CRT TV, and they are likely sitting closer to it than I would have that old TV when it was sitting on a dresser across my room, they are probably getting something that is at least comparatively closer to a home theater experience than I would have been back in the day.

Oh, the good ol days lol. When I was growing up 25" was
the big screen. Most in wood consoles like a piece of furniture. Can you imagine now, watching poor signals on one of those lol.
Most people didn't have a bedroom tv but there was 13" tvs for those that wanted that but heck there was only 4 channels, and those signals went away at 11pm except maybe Saturday nights for the late late movie.

Today's larger tablets like mine are 10 times better than any 13" tv from back then, and kids today can take that anywhere with them. It's an option we didn't have but these same kids will get 50-60-70"+ tvs when they have a job, house and a family imo.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I have said that Copper is Obsolete, and the Caps go on when the Bandwidth is not there. AT&T has GigaPower Fiber, and hopefully that's what you have. The Infrastructure has to change to Fiber for the amount of Bandwidth that will be needed for Streaming Video and Cloud Services.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Alchav, that's not going to happen. Fibre is all but abandoned IMO. It's proving too expensive. Like I have said for years, mobile is Digital's future. It's the home cinema killer, even if you guys don't know it yet.

Well Google had dropped out, but they are coming back and AT&T and Verizon are gearing up their Fiber Roll-Outs. Here in The States anyway, the feeling is that more Bandwidth is needed. So 5g will also be a good option for people that want to go the Wireless route, but it will have limitations and more expensive.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well Google had dropped out, but they are coming back and AT&T and Verizon are gearing up their Fiber Roll-Outs. Here in The States anyway, the feeling is that more Bandwidth is needed. So 5g will also be a good option for people that want to go the Wireless route, but it will have limitations and more expensive.

If we think about the near future in exponential terms eventually wireless will be capable of great speeds and completely eliminate the need for Fiber or any wired connections. That will ultimately be the best possible scenario. Wireless providers are currently offering unlimited data plans and realistically this will be the true end of home broadband services. The cable companies are on their last legs. I think this is why Fiber is so wishy washy because these companies understand that wireless is the future of everything and continuing to invest in wired infrastructure is short term at best.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by zodwriter

If we think about the near future in exponential terms eventually wireless will be capable of great speeds and completely eliminate the need for Fiber or any wired connections. That will ultimately be the best possible scenario. Wireless providers are currently offering unlimited data plans and realistically this will be the true end of home broadband services. The cable companies are on their last legs. I think this is why Fiber is so wishy washy because these companies understand that wireless is the future of everything and continuing to invest in wired infrastructure is short term at best.

Cable is going nowhere. Such reports are comical and show a lack of understanding about the way the industry works.

We are talking decades here.

[twobelowpar]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Like I have said for years, mobile is Digital's future. It's the home cinema killer, even if you guys don't know it yet.

Then why do televisions that people purchase as their standard living room set continually get larger? It wasn't long ago that 42" was a large widescreen set, now it's a bedroom size for some people. I'm with you on the inferiority of digital (despite the fact I collect digitally!) but I don't buy that the standard way of watching a film will be on a 11" tablet.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Cable is going nowhere. Such reports are comical and show a lack of understanding about the way the industry works.

We are talking decades here.

I don't know about the UK but in the USA, all the evidence is running completely against what you just said. I recently got an e-mail from Comcast trying to lure me back to them by offering me an unlimited wireless plan for $45 per month. As more and more people ditch the high price cable providers for cheaper and more convenient wireless mobile options it's only a matter of time before wired goes away completely. There are no incentives to drilling holes in floors and through walls for wiring when wifi connections can provide speeds that are just as good with zero clutter.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Cable is going nowhere. Such reports are comical and show a lack of understanding about the way the industry works.

We are talking decades here.

You sound even more delusional than normal.

Once people can reliably get sports ala carte they will cut cable completely.

I've been thinking about getting Sling for a while

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well Google had dropped out, but they are coming back and AT&T and Verizon are gearing up their Fiber Roll-Outs. Here in The States anyway, the feeling is that more Bandwidth is needed. So 5g will also be a good option for people that want to go the Wireless route, but it will have limitations and more expensive.

Originally Posted by zodwriter

If we think about the near future in exponential terms eventually wireless will be capable of great speeds and completely eliminate the need for Fiber or any wired connections. That will ultimately be the best possible scenario. Wireless providers are currently offering unlimited data plans and realistically this will be the true end of home broadband services. The cable companies are on their last legs. I think this is why Fiber is so wishy washy because these companies understand that wireless is the future of everything and continuing to invest in wired infrastructure is short term at best.

No doubt there's a place for Wireless, but for Consistent Bandwidth needs GigaBit Fiber is now. Even some of the Telco and Cable Company Executives feel like you do, that Wireless is The Future. We all know that Executives really don't have the knowledge, and only a hand full of Tech's at these Companies will do the Math. Like 5g Wireless is no where near Roll-Out, and it already has limitations. I still say that Fiber is now, and will always have the Consistent Bandwidth that will be needed!

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No doubt there's a place for Wireless, but for Consistent Bandwidth needs GigaBit Fiber is now. Even some of the Telco and Cable Company Executives feel like you do, that Wireless is The Future. We all know that Executives really don't have the knowledge, and only a hand full of Tech's at these Companies will do the Math. Like 5g Wireless is no where near Roll-Out, and it already has limitations. I still say that Fiber is now, and will always have the Consistent Bandwidth that will be needed!

In this digitally connected world you are always talking about, you should be able to clearly see that wireless will soon surpass all wired forms of connection. As I said before the reason Fiber is a wishy washy prospect is because in home wired connections are being dropped like hot potatoes. This digitally connected wireless world is about convenience above everything else. As long as people are able to enjoy all their favorite internet activities (which includes streaming movies and tv shows) nobody is going to miss wires at home.

[flyry]

Speaking of cable HULU just launched a live TV service today

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

You sound even more delusional than normal.

Once people can reliably get sports ala carte they will cut cable completely.

I've been thinking about getting Sling for a while

Like I said, still decades away. Maybe by 2030 everything will be as you say. .