List of UHDs that contain Dolby Vision

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Originally Posted by BozQ

Oh I really hope we get a re-release for Pacific Rim with DV in the future. :/

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Speaking of Pacific Rim w/DV, who is doing the DV grades for Vudu? Is it the studios? Is the majority of the work done for these DV titles to be re-released on disc w/lossless Atmos? Are we looking at massive multiple-dipping?

I've lost count with how many versions of The 5th Element I've purchased!

Disney IMO are the kings of the multiple dips.

[grodd]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Oh I really hope we get a re-release for Pacific Rim with DV in the future. :/

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I'll keep saying this, Pacific Rim DV is amazing. A big improvement in color!

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by grodd

I'll keep saying this, Pacific Rim DV is amazing. A big improvement in color!

Aside from some minor black crush, the colours are eye searing -WoW!!

[2themax]

Originally Posted by 2themax

Interesting. I do see that and it contradicts other information I have. If I get confirmation one way or the other, I'm let you know.

I got confirmation that DV will be 4:2:2 on disc at least.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by 2themax

I got confirmation that DV will be 4:2:2 on disc at least.

So the HDR10 layer will still be 4:2:0, but the DV enhancement bumps it up to 4:2:2? That is very cool news indeed.

[2themax]

Originally Posted by puddy77

So the HDR10 layer will still be 4:2:0, but the DV enhancement bumps it up to 4:2:2? That is very cool news indeed.

Correct to keep the base layer within HDR10 spec.

[Frank@Chicago]

As DV UHD discs draw closer, a few questions about DV in 2017.

Is DV now a hardware or software function in players and TVs?

I have 2016 LG C6 and Sony X800 player, so I'm​ wondering​ how this will work.

Sony hasn't said much about DV & the X800, but they are putting out DV discs...

Could DV be supported in software on any newer player or could the player just output the DV data as long as the TV supports it?

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Frank@Chicago

As DV UHD discs draw closer, a few questions about DV in 2017.

Is DV now a hardware or software function in players and TVs?

I have 2016 LG C6 and Sony X800 player, so I'm​ wondering​ how this will work.

Sony hasn't said much about DV & the X800, but they are putting out DV discs...

Could DV be supported in software on any newer player or could the player just output the DV data as long as the TV supports it?

DV is now available as a software update.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1403...compatible-kit

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by puddy77

So the HDR10 layer will still be 4:2:0, but the DV enhancement bumps it up to 4:2:2? That is very cool news indeed.

OMG that's awesome!

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[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

DV is now available as a software update.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1403...compatible-kit

This is slightly misleading.

The decoding can In theory done by update, but actually processing the information and displaying it on a TV is different. It takes a very strong processor in a TV to do that, no matter if it can decode it or not.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by 2themax

Correct to keep the base layer within HDR10 spec.

Dat Dolby special sauce is very special indeed. 12-bit and 4:2:2 all out of a 1920x1080 enhancement layer including their bespoke metadata? Woah.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by 2themax

Correct, to keep the base layer within the HDR10 spec.

I'm ready for the BDA to update the UHD Blu-ray spec for the HDR base layer to HDR10+ with dynamic metadata. Next year it should happen thanks to HDMI 2.1 tvs and players.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by 2themax

I got confirmation that DV will be 4:2:2 on disc at least.

You mean it's not 4:4:4 ? I'll have to pass then...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dat Dolby special sauce is very special indeed...

Considered even more special by those in (Dolby scientists) and out of the Dolby organization….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post13484312

“in the future” means this Monday -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

4:15 P.M – 5:00 P.M.
Is There a JND in it for Me?
http://www.cvent.com/events/entertai...c359d458e.aspx

White paper to come.

[philochs]

Dolby is a such an innovative company. Fun facts for everybody, they invented 5.1 surround sound. Well, first Mike Todd was responsible for bringing 65mm film to the public. Dolby were inspired due to their work with his 'Todd-AO' process 65-70mm film, specifically because Todd-AO productions used a unique 6 channel audio, "if a 70mm film was shown in a Cinerama theatre, the Cinerama sound system was used."

"From 1976 onwards many 70 mm prints used Dolby noise reduction on the magnetic tracks but Dolby disapproved of the "spread" and instead re-allocated the 6 available tracks to provide for left, center and right screen channels, left and right surround channels plus a "low-frequency enhancement" channel to give more body to low-frequency bass. This layout came to be known as '5.1' " - wiki

I am happy because Oklahoma City's Dolby Cinema just opened and the first film was "The Fate of the Furious" and now they're showing Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, of course. I'm in Tulsa, for two of us to go to the theater, I'm looking at $50.00 with gas money and tickets, plus 3 hours of drive time, round trip. Totally worth it a few times each year, though I'd appreciate it if Tulsa could get a Dolby Cinema, I've made phone calls. We have everything else, we even have a Warren Theater, you guys know how nice those are?



I've yet to see a film at a Dolby Cinema, but I'll probably go for Wonder Woman. I like ethnic Jewish girls, and Gal Gadot is such a solid Wonder Woman. I can't believe how good that movie seems like it's actually going to be. I'm crossing my fingers that her performance will shine and the Rotten Tomatoes will be kind. The Dolby Vision version is on a smaller screen then the grand infinity. I go to Grand Infinity viewings sometimes on Wednesdays. 5 bucks a person all day, any movie. So to pay 50 and go see a Dolby Vision film in OKC is 5 times more expensive for me. It's worth it for the HDR projectors I think though.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by 2themax

I got confirmation that DV will be 4:2:2 on disc at least.

If dual layer DV on disc works the way I think it works, then it's very much like the core + extension codec approach for Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.

That way the data is backwards and forwards compatible depending on the decoding chip in various devices.

At NAB the Dolby rep mentioned their UHD Blu-ray encoding was 12 bit, but didn't mention the chroma sampling.

I'll take true 12 bit, 4:2:2, if that's the case. Regular 10 bit, 4:2:0 HDR10 is down and out. They should use DV on everything, even if classic films with more limited DR only get a mild HDR grade. 12 bit, 4:2:2 will be helpful in soooo many other ways, especially when Rec. 2020 is used rather than P3.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by philochs

I've yet to see a film at a Dolby Cinema, but I'll probably go for Wonder Woman. I like ethnic Jewish girls, and Gal Gadot is such a solid Wonder Woman. I can't believe how good that movie seems like it's actually going to be.

I wonder how the Dolby Vision version will look because (judging solely by the trailers) it looks to be one of the ugliest color grades I have ever seen for the genre.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If dual layer DV on disc works the way I think it works, then it's very much like the core + extension codec approach for Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.

For Atmos you mean - otherwise TrueHD has no "core" like DTS-MA where the lossless bits are on top of the lossy DTS core.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If dual layer DV on disc works the way I think it works, then it's very much like the core + extension codec approach for Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.

That way the data is backwards and forwards compatible depending on the decoding chip in various devices.

At NAB the Dolby rep mentioned their UHD Blu-ray encoding was 12 bit, but didn't mention the chroma sampling.

I'll take true 12 bit, 4:2:2, if that's the case. Regular 10 bit, 4:2:0 HDR10 is down and out. They should use DV on everything, even if classic films with more limited DR only get a mild HDR grade. 12 bit, 4:2:2 will be helpful in soooo many other ways, especially when Rec. 2020 is used rather than P3.

At least you now believe it's actually got an HDR10 base layer.

[philochs]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

If dual layer DV on disc works the way I think it works, then it's very much like the core + extension codec approach for Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.

That way the data is backwards and forwards compatible depending on the decoding chip in various devices.

At NAB the Dolby rep mentioned their UHD Blu-ray encoding was 12 bit, but didn't mention the chroma sampling.

I'll take true 12 bit, 4:2:2, if that's the case. Regular 10 bit, 4:2:0 HDR10 is down and out. They should use DV on everything, even if classic films with more limited DR only get a mild HDR grade. 12 bit, 4:2:2 will be helpful in soooo many other ways, especially when Rec. 2020 is used rather than P3.

4:2:2 Dolby Vision on uhd bd disk is seriously a scoop. I'm really glad, I've been a fan of Dolby Vision since I first heard about it from CES a few years ago. It was some far off in the future thing, and now the real deal Dolby Vision 4k UHD Blu-rays are coming a month from today.

I told people in forums that Dolby Vision on disk was going to give people a new reason to buy 2k upscale releases like a lot of the current era of movies and most of the cgi kid films. I explained that very best results would be released when added to a true native 4K UHD transfer. I told them that Dolby Visions adoption would continue to snowball, about how it was actually Dolby who invented HDR but they allowed a lot of the technology to be opensource. Many agreed, but still many others said that some other HDR formats would be the demise of Dolby Vision. They said it couldn't catch on.

I told them that Samsung and 20th Century Fox's new opensource format is the basic 'vanilla version' of HDR with dynamic metadata, and would become the new base layer requirement on an updated BDA UHD Blu-ray spec, while remaining backwards compatible with HDR10. I told them that HDR10 was getting a dynamic metadata upgrade, and there was plenty of room for HDR10+ to thrive as a base layer format, while some disks would get Dolby Vision, but not all, maybe not even a third.

Dolby Vision costs money to use, and it's a premium HDR format so we can't say what % of releases will include it, but some other disks that don't get Dolby Vision will get some secretive forthcoming 'Technicolor HDR' format (either ST 2094-20 or ST 2094-30, or a combination of both). Technicolor is also charging royalty fees for their premium HDR formats. I anticipate the premium Technicolor HDR formats to hopefully be formally announced at CES 2018, along with a bunch of HDMI 2.1 products.

Do you guys think Technicolor HDR on UHD Blu-ray will use 4:2:2? It's a 10-bit color depth HDR format, but I know the two SDK's under their umbrella are going to produce superior PQ to HDR10+, but what exactly will make Technicolor HDR fall between Dolby Vision and HDR10+ is still kind of secret, nobody knows exactly what the format will do. Just that it won't be quite as good as Dolby Vision HDR, but it'll be better than HDR10+. So I wonder. If I think "Technicolor HDR" as a format on a UHD disk, I expect a superior HDR grading, for better color palate vs. standard HDR10+. I expect 4:2:2, and I expect other secrets. I know that at least one of Technicolor's HDR formats is "reference based", meaning I believe it can map the luminescence metadata by object-based, shaped-based metadata, and I believe the premium HDR formats are frame based, where Samsung's format is simply scene based HDR mapping.

They can't use Dolby Vision only, or even on every disk as the second layer. That's because of two things. 1. It costs fees to add it to disks HDR10+ is the only fully opensource backwards compatible HDR10 successor format, so only it can qualify as a new required base layer format. It was co-developed by 20th Century Fox so HDR10+ is going to be embraced by Fox Studios early on, since it's their creation. 2. Technicolor already currently does a lot of the HDR grading for outsourced UHD Blu-Ray and for theatrical releases. Their formats were designed from the beginning only to work over HDMI 2.1, using the new enhanced dynamic metadata support. They aren't going to have a problem getting manufacturers and studios to support them. Studios love Technicolor.

Also, Philips designed ST 2094-20 which is part of the Technicolor umbrella since they merged HDR technologies, and they are part of the UHD Blu-ray HDMI 2.1 spec already, so obviously Philips is going to support their own formats in tv sets and blu-ray players. LG will support it. Sony will probably support it early on too. Oppo will with their next model of Blu-ray player. There can only be two HDR formats per UHD disk max. The second layer of HDR can use Technicolor HDR, Dolby Vision, or nothing at all. The only HDR format that the BDA could require would have to be a disk that could is HDR10 or HDR10+. Dolby Vision HDR and Technicolor HDR both actually take advantage of the HDR10 on the disk, and ride off it right?


Project Scorpio could potentially be the first UHD Blu-ray player to have support for every forthcoming dynamic metadata HDR format, as it's HDMI 2.1 based and could get support for any format via software, firmware updates. Samsung definitely won't embrace premium HDR formats any time soon though. The whole reason they invented HDR10+ was to avoid paying any royalty fees for HDR.

In January when I was watching the official CNET live feed of CES 2017 I just was making comments in the chat saying. "Sony should announce Dolby Vision but they won't because they're jerks" "Everyone should support Dolby Vision, it's the best thing ever, duh!" "I hope more companies announce support for Dolby Vision soon, those fools!" . At first people were basically saying Sony, Panasonic, and Samsung won't support Dolby Vision because "it's dumb", "It will fail, you suck" stuff like that, but then when Sony did actually announce support for Dolby Vision, everyone flooded the chat with celebratory happy comments for me.

The news reports had just come out a few days before saying Sony definitely wasn't going to announce support for Dolby Vision. Glad that was wrong. Now if project Scorpio, Xbox Two, and PS5 are supporting Dolby Vision for movies and games, I think it's safe to say that Dolby Vision is going to explode alongside UHD Blu-ray sales, when it can be included.