Unforgiven 4K UHD (1992)

[philochs]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

I know the difference between bits and nits. I wrote the wrong word. Give me a break.

And no. Nowhere on page 9 is it even implied that 12 bits on a 10 bit display will not produce banding.

Look, I'm not arguing that DV isn't superior. All I was responding to was that 12 bits on 10 bit displays can produce banding. I asked for a link. You provided it. It doesn't support what you said. Period. That's the problem here. Nobody wants to read your assumptions, and that's what you're providing. Yes, you use factual knowledge as well, but you're also filling in the blanks however you please and passing that off as fact as well. You are moving the goalpost here. You claimed to have a fact and now you're saying, "well, it's implied". Then nobody takes you seriously, and then decide to be elitist and condescending, acting like NOBODY can know everything YOU know. You don't even see any of this either, that's the sad part.

It is implied if you understand the technical jargon, if that was too complicated, then that's what I included the quote from Rtings that reiterated the exact same point in layman's terms, which you've failed to mention. Enough said. No hard feelings, but it's just that when I read your retorts, I feel like I'm in a sassy sandwich. I guess I only know how to answer sass with even more sass. This is what comes to mind...

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-l.../2868138?snl=1

[philochs]

Originally Posted by jaaguir

I'm sorry (and I give you that I'm not as technically savvy as you are) but it's the first time I read anything like that. You are actually stating that HDR10 is such a broken technology that it just cannot correctly reflect the HDR grading of a movie with both nightime and daytime scenes? (How could we ever make anything out on the screen with SDR709 and the even more limited standard on dvd then? ).
I believe Geoff asnwered to that in this post, and in your answer to his post, I don't think you refuted anything.

Samsung's bread and butter is high-nit displays. If dynamic metadata wasn't the next level HDR, that genuinely improved PQ on all tvs, they wouldn't have worked so hard with 20th Century Fox Studios to build the successor to HDR10, HDR10+so quickly, that's my opinion. Blu-rays and UHD Blu-rays up till now are mastered with a single locked-in luminance level. What dynamic metadata does is opens that up, and allows them to have control of it, scene by scene. I think that's going to really improve PQ.


Probably the best, simplest explanation of what dynamic metadata does is in this 2016 NAB demo HDR10 VS HDR10+, found here...

https://vimeo.com/164619204

[DJJez]

had a quick look at this

the Resoluition is Crazy impressive
HDR is very subtle
4k version is darker than blu ray version 100%
colours are very very natural.
very awesome to finally have lossless DTS HD MA. the old blu ray was dolby digital 5.1

[Kamelot121]

Originally Posted by DJJez

had a quick look at this

the Resoluition is Crazy impressive
HDR is very subtle
4k version is darker than blu ray version 100%
colours are very very natural.

Is that you Jez???

[HeavyHitter]

Picked up mine at Best Buy today pricing matching Amazon. They had it in the new release section. Will watch tonight.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by Kamelot121

Is that you Jez???

it is

[elwaylite]

What's wrong with you last couple of posters, don't you dare start talking about the subject of the thread instead of DV vs HDR10!

[PeterTHX]

Guys, PLEASE spoiler or delete repeat images

[philochs]

New review for this UHD Blu-ray, from Flix 66:

Video: Reviewing new 4K titles usually boils down to: is the film better than the Blu-ray and is the digital transfer sharp, bright, etc. But catalog titles are a different beast because while I always scream that the home video presentation should mimic the director’s vision, sometimes that means a transfer that, on the surface, might appear less than some other transfers. Such is the case with UNFORGIVEN. Supposedly, this transfer was approved by Clint Eastwood, so this is clearly the ideal presentation according to the director himself. But this is not the most pristine transfer you’ll see and I fear some people are going to be disappointed with it because it’s not as crystal clear as some of the newer titles out there. That’s not fair on many levels, but it’s also true because UNFORGIVEN doesn’t look as “bright” as I’m sure people might be hoping. However, it still looks fantastic for a 25 year-old film and I imagine this is the best the film ever will or ever has looked. The vast Western landscapes are slightly more bold than on the Blu-ray and the night scenes seem to have a more refined quality to them. Personally, I think the 4K presentation looks wonderful, but I would caution anyone looking for a reference quality disc to show off to their friends that this is not that disc.

http://flix66.com/unforgiven-4k-ultr...lu-ray-review/

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The Atmos software is just as easy to use as DTS:X.

Not according to this mixer. Dolby Atmos is more easy and he prefers Dolby Atmos.

I don't have a timecode, but Tim Hoogenakker did a lot of remixes for home media. Including John Wick 1 & 2.
Just watch the whole show.

Home Theater Geeks 318: Mixing Atmos - YouTube

[meremortal]

Didn't know Santa Claus was running a podcast during the offseason.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by meremortal

Didn't know Santa Claus was running a podcast during the offseason.

He's gotta get everyone thinking about their wishlists.

[Iffy]

Just re-viewed my old 2007 UK BD version on my new Sony X800, and it looked and sounded fine to me. There is only a DD soundtrack, but it was originally in Dolby Stereo. Delighted with my new player. At that price you cannot go wrong, I think. Half the price of an 203. I already have a regionfree Oppo 103. Doubt 4K discs will ever be region coded? A bit disappointed that there are no new extras. Actually identical to the 2002 DVD-release. I am sure they could have added something ala Criterion's La Belle et la Bette and others. Don't think I'll be upgrading this one.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Iffy

Just re-viewed my old 2007 UK BD version on my new Sony X800, and it looked and sounded fine to me. There is only a DD soundtrack, but it was originally in Dolby Stereo. Delighted with my new player. At that price you cannot go wrong, I think. Half the price of an 203. I already have a regionfree Oppo 103. Doubt 4K discs will ever be region coded? A bit disappointed that there are no new extras. Actually identical to the 2002 DVD-release. I am sure they could have added something ala Criterion's La Belle et la Bette and others. Don't think I'll be upgrading this one.

Dolby Stereo or not has nothing to do with having a lossless vs a lossy encoded soundtrack. One leaves all the audio information off the PCM master source intact, the other throws a good chunk of it away.

[mzupeman]

Picked this up today. I know what I'm doing tonight! I absolutely love this movie, and it's been a really long time since I've seen it. Glad my first viewing in a while is going to be 4K.

[vincentric]

Is the force field haloing isolated to just that one scene for a few seconds and that the good pq mostly outweighs the bad? I'd really love to get this (as it's one of my all time favs as well) sooner rather than later.

[DJJez]

been looking at this now that its nightime and in a 100% dark room and damn, the movie is really dark in the night time scenes inside. the resolution is fantastic throughout though and the daytime scenes look incredible!

[ncraft]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Is the force field haloing isolated to just that one scene for a few seconds and that the good pq mostly outweighs the bad? I'd really love to get this (as it's one of my all time favs as well) sooner rather than later.

I only saw it in one other scene. I thoroughly enjoyed the PQ and think it's a worthy upgrade. The good definitely outweighs the bad.

[bbwiscfan]

And yet I love several of Clint's films (the later films he has directed like Gran Torino, Mystic River, Sully, etc.). I am contemplating getting this as a blind buy, I assume you all would have no problem recommending this film?

[Khronikos]

Honestly guys, HDR allows a director to tune a lot more. This is the Wild West! It's supposed to be dark as hell in the night. This is how the West was in many places. This isn't Vegas people!

I for one welcome natural lighting. And I think we can all cool down and just wait for what they have in store.

In other news The Fifth Element went on presale! Too bad they want 30 for all of these new discs.